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    Week in Review: The Dream Is Fading

    The Twins remain within striking distance of the playoffs, but another dispiriting week leaves less time for a real run, and less reason to believe one's coming.

    Nick Nelson
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    The Weekly Nutshell:
    The Twins need to get on a run. The past week was the latest instance of their inability to do so. It's a recurring cycle: one impressive breakout game is followed by one or two non-competitive duds to damper any momentum. The Twins have had just one winning streak of more than two games since the All-Star break, and are 1-4 following a win here in the month of August. They've lost five straight one-run games, two of them walk-offs, and have fallen to five games below .500 after getting swept at home by the Phillies.

    The Twins are doing enough to hang around in an undifferentiated AL field, but they're not doing enough to inspire confidence that they can rise above the pack with six weeks remaining. Can their rotation and lineup awaken before the clock strikes midnight?

    Weekly Snapshot: Mon, 8/10 through Sun, 8/16
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    Record Last Week:
    2-4 (Overall: 60-65)
    Run Differential Last Week: -13 (Overall: -48)
    Standing: 4th Place in AL Central (6.0 GB); 1.5 games out of WC

    Latest Game Results

    Game 120 | MIN 9, BAL 5: Kremer Dominates His Former Team as Bats Break Out

    • Kremer: 7 IP, 1 ER, 1 H, 1 BB, 7 K

    Game 121 | BAL 5, MIN 2: Twins Strand 10 Runners, Ober Gives Up Three Bombs

    • Ober: 6 IP, 5 ER, 8 H, 1 BB, 4 K, 3 HR

    Game 122 | MIN 7, BAL 5: Offense Keeps Punching Back in Series-Clinching Win

    • Bell: 3-5, RBI

    Game 123 | PHI 7, MIN 1: Dire Showing From Offense in Dyersville, Bradley Stumbles

    • Lewis, Clemens, Lee: 0-12, 6 K

    Game 124 | PHI 9, MIN 1: Prielipp Unravels in Fifth as Offense No-Shows Once Again

    • Prielipp: 5 IP, 8 ER, 8 H, 4 BB, 6 K

    Game 125 | PHI 7. MIN 5: Phillies Erase Five-Run Lead to Clinch Devastating Sweep

    • Morris: 1 IP, 3 ER, 4 H, 1 BB, 0 K

    NEWS & NOTES

    Byron Buxton's return from the injured list could not have been much more cinematically compelling. Buxton came walking out of the cornfields in Dyersville, IA, to participate in the Field of Dreams Game on Thursday night — his first game action since July 28th following his second hip-related IL stint of the season. This time, like last, he skipped a rehab and jumped right back onto the active roster.

     

    Buxton served as 27th man for Thursday's game (a specialized rule for this event), but on Saturday the Twins designated third catcher Alex Jackson for assignment to formally make room. The front office delayed this inevitability as long as they could, fearing they'll lose the out-of-options Jackson on waivers, but no longer could hold off. We'll see if he gets claimed or makes it through within the coming days.

    Right-handed pitcher Taylor Rashi, himself DFA'ed a week earlier, was claimed off waivers by the Athletics. He never made an appearance in a Twins uniform, posting a 4.76 ERA in 15 appearances for the Saints. On the flip side, Minnesota added back some pitching depth by signing veteran righty Germán Márquez to a minor-league deal. He was a solid pitcher for Colorado back in the day, an All-Star in 2021, but the 31-year-old has faded in recent years. I would expect we'll see him up in the majors before the year is through, even if just as a bullpen filler arm for September.

    HIGHLIGHTS

    Dean Kremer was impressive in his first start as a Twin, tossing five innings of one-run ball in Kansas City on August 5th. But his second start and Target Field debut last Monday was nothing short of brilliant. Going against the team that had traded 10 days earlier, Kremer completely stymied the Orioles over seven innings of three-hit ball. He allowed only one run, and he didn't even really allow it — Gunnar Henderson scored on a double-steal for the lone tally. 

     

    Kremer was cruising again on Sunday in his third start as a Twin, holding the Phillies scoreless through five innings, before hitting a wall in the sixth and letting four across. Despite the rocky ending, he has certainly reversed course after switching teams, allowing six runs through 17 ⅓ innings as a Twin (3.12 ERA) after allowing 16 earned runs in 14 innings in his final three starts with Baltimore. I'm hesitant to read into that too much, given the sample size and how streaky baseball players can be, but it's a great first impression, and there's reason to believe the Twins have had some influence on his turnaround.

     

    The bullpen started and ended the week on hiccups, courtesy of Travis Adams, Taylor Rogers and Andrew Morris. (And the defense, naturally.) In between they were mostly lockdown, allowing four runs in 16 innings across four contests. But only in one of those games — Wednesday's 7-5 win over Baltimore — were their efforts particularly consequential. It's a good reminder that a good bullpen doesn't do much for you when you can't build leads, which is the paradox of Minnesota's deadline upgrades. 

    On the offensive side, Luke Keaschall is leading the way as he builds on a resurgent second half. He went 6-for-17 with a homer, two doubles and four walks. He's inching up in the batting order, now usually slotting sixth or seventh after spending much of the season near the bottom, and is making a strong case to be hitting higher yet. Keaschall entered play Sunday slashing .308/.423/.474 since the All-Star break, good for a .395 wOBA that led all Twins by 35 points and ranked 18th among all MLB hitters.

     

    Some other notable performances at the plate: Ryan Jeffers went 6-for-16 with two doubles and three RBIs. Royce Lewis was 7-for-22 with three doubles and three RBIs. Brooks Lee went 8-for-24 with a pair of doubles and a grand slam. Josh Bell came through with a big three-run homer on Monday as part of a seven-hit week. And at last, Alan Roden broke out of his funk with a three-hit game on Wednesday that included a pair of doubles.

    With the exception of Roden, that is basically the same select group of hitters contributing lately on offense while far too many key bats remain dormant.

    LOWLIGHTS

    It was not terribly surprising to see Bailey Ober get lit up for five earned runs on Tuesday against the Orioles, who teed off for a home run in each of the first three innings. What's surprising is that this doesn't happen more often. Ober has struggled to ramp his fastball into even the upper-80s of late, but through pure execution and guile he had managed to post a respectable 4.10 ERA with only two home runs allowed in his first five starts off the injured list. That execution was not there in his latest start, with Ober hanging several pitches that were absolutely clobbered, including a moonshot off the bat of former Twins prospect Christian Encarnacion-Strand.

     

    Ober was one of several culprits on a staff that looked downright terrible, surrendering 38 runs (all earned) on 59 hits and 22 walks across the six games. The Joe Ryan-less starting stable shows signs of falling apart as we move into the stretch run. 

    Taj Bradley got knocked around in the Field of Dreams Game for five earned runs in four innings, his shortest outing since May. Connor Prielipp melted down in the fifth inning on Saturday, turning a 1-0 deficit into an insurmountable 8-0 by giving up three singles, three walks and a back-breaking three-run homer. It was somewhat bizarre to see him left out there flapping in the wind by manager Derek Shelton, given the stakes of the game and the mounting workload concerns for Prielipp. Shelton's slow hook for Kremer the following day also raised some eyebrows.

    Meanwhile, with the exception of a few standouts, the all-or-nothing Twins lineup continues to hold the team back. They had strong showings on Monday, Wednesday and Sunday, totaling 21 runs across those three contests, but were held to two or fewer in the the other three games, giving the team no real chance at a victory. Even on Sunday, when they jumped on Andrew Painter for five runs on two early swings, the Twins were not particularly effective at putting runners on and pushing them across, shutting down after the third inning.

    In their four losses, Minnesota's offense went 3-for-34 with runners in scoring position, stranding 36 runners on base. The penchant for clutchness that buoyed this unit in the first half of the season has largely vanished, and along with it, the team's ability to produce runs on any kind of consistent basis. The Twins entered play Sunday with the fifth-fewest runs scored in the majors since the break, after scoring the sixth-most prior.

    It's nice to have Buxton back but he doesn't really seem to be "back" in any meaningful sense. He is very obviously limited by rust, lingering injury effects, or some combination of both. Buxton went 1-for-12 including a three-strikeout game on Sunday, and hasn't driven in a run since July 4th. 

    Trevor Larnach, who was one of the team's best hitters in the first half alongside Buxton, has also gone silent, though the steady stream of opposing lefty starters is limiting his opportunities somewhat. He tallied four singles and a walk in 19 plate appearances. Kody Clemens hit a solo homer on Sunday, but went 2-for-14 otherwise and is batting .149 in August. He has the lowest on-base percentage of any MLB hitter over the past two months. Ryan Kreidler is finding himself in the lineup far too often for a guy with a .438 OPS since the start of July.

    Neither the starting rotation nor starting lineup is warranting much confidence at all. The defense, while somewhat improved, remains prone to multiple headshake-inducing displays every game. And the bullpen showed on Sunday it's far from infallible. Tough to win when there is no concrete strength you can hang your hat on.

    TRENDING STORYLINE

    It feels like this season is slipping away away. The Twins aren't playing blatantly horrible baseball — they've been winning games here and there, avoiding prolonged losing streaks to stay within range of .500 — but they're not playing well enough to make up any ground, and the clock is ticking down as we enter the latter half of August. 

    They've slid to six games out in the division, their biggest gap since early June, with Detroit emerging as the prime threat to Chicago in the Central. But the Twins are still technically very much alive in the crowded Wild Card mix, one of five teams that entered play on Sunday within a game of the final spot. 

    Yes, they are "in it." At some point, though, you've got to stop looking at what's happening around you and start to look inward. 

    Currently Minnesota is on a 78-win pace. That's not gonna do it. In order to win 83 games, which is the bare minimum for legitimacy in my opinion, they would need to 23-14 the rest of the way. That's a 100-win full-season pace. Not impossible, especially with a relatively soft remaining schedule, but the Twins have shown no real capability to play at that level over any sustained period of time, and lately they've simply looked like a bad team.

    If they're going to make the push required, they're going to need to put it all on the line. With the trade deadline in the rearview, there aren't a whole lot of levers the front office can still pull, but two options stick out in Triple-A.

    One is Kendry Rojas. He's one of the most electric arms in the organization and there's seemingly little reason to have him stashed at Triple-A while the season hangs on the brink. The left-hander has been lights-out since returning to the Saints, with a 0.82 ERA and 11-to-2 K/BB ratio in 11 innings. He started twice against the Iowa Cubs this past week (Tuesday and Saturday) and allowed just one run on a solo homer. 

    Rojas is being somewhat stretched out to start, although the Twins don't seem inclined to push him much past the 50-pitch range. That's fine, they can find a role for him in that capacity. He's far from a lock to come up and dominate — we've seen how the control can come and go — but the Twins staff could desperately use some juice with Ryan sidelined, Prielipp wearing down and Zebby Matthews looking thoroughly mediocre.

    On the hitting side, you have Walker Jenkins. He's a consensus top-20 prospect in baseball, and by nearly every account, he's showing readiness to take the next step. His recent stats help make the case; Jenkins has an OPS over .900 since coming off the injured list in late June, and his past week was another impressive one: 7-for-17 with a home run, a double, three walks and two steals.

     

    You can't simply expect that an untested rookie is going to come up and be a heroic world-beater — Kaelen Culpepper's slowish start is a good prompt to temper expectations — but Jenkins has the tools and makeup to hit the ground running. He represents one of the few clear advantages the Twins have compared to other contenders running alongside them in the postseason race. Very few teams have a prospect with this kind of upside and potential impact sitting in Triple-A, ready to go. 

    There's open room on the 40-man roster with the Jackson DFA. (Kyler Fedko, out for the season with a knee injury, can also easily be shifted to the 60-day IL.) So that's not an issue. Finding room for Jenkins in the lineup regularly isn't necessarily quite as straightforward with Buxton back in the mix, but it's also not rocket science. 

    Use Buxton at DH frequently. Strongly deprioritize Roden. Shift Keaschall back to second base on occasion. Do what it takes to get one of most dynamic talents in your organization on the field with everything on the line. The more the Twins wait, the more unserious their aspirations for postseason contention come to look.

    LOOKING AHEAD

    The Twins have faced three National League contenders since the All-Star break. They've lost all three of those series, dropping two of three against Cubs and Brewers before getting swept by the Phillies. With two more matchups against playoff-minded NL clubs ahead, can Minnesota finally get over the hump and put together a winning week? They desperately need it to set themselves up for the season-defining stretch that follows: three games against the last-place Athletics followed by 15 straight against the three other teams in the AL Central race: Chicago (6), Detroit (6), Cleveland (3).

    MONDAY, AUGUST 17: BRAVES @ TWINS — LHP Martin Perez v. RHP Bailey Ober
    TUESDAY, AUGUST 18: BRAVES @ TWINS —RHP Tyler Mahle v. RHP Zebby Matthews
    WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 19: BRAVES @ TWINS — LHP Chris Sale v. RHP Taj Bradley
    FRIDAY, AUGUST 21: TWINS @ PADRES — LHP Connor Prielipp v. RHP Randy Vasquez
    SATURDAY, AUGUST 22: TWINS @ PADRES — RHP Dean Kremer v. RHP Casey Mize
    SUNDAY, AUGUST 23: TWINS @ PADRES — RHP Bailey Ober v. RHP Walker Buehler

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    23 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    If the reports on Tolle / Arias are true

    Has there been any follow-up reporting from the Twins beat writers, i.e. Dan Hayes and Bobby Nightengale, Jr., on this rumor? Dan said a few months back that the two sides weren't close to a deal. 

    12 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

    Dennis Green once said something that seems relevant right now.  

    The lost opportunity to use the last few months to build towards the future is going to bite this team down the line.  As all bad investments do.

    Whatever "goodwill" to the fanbase the deadline was supposed to represent is going to be eliminated by a completely irrelevant September.

    I agree with the general sentiment here, but I don't know that September will be irrelevant. Well, no more irrelevant than the rest of the season. The situation hasn't really changed since the bad investments you referred to went down.

    The challenge at the deadline was always whether or not they'd take an unbiased, hard look at the talent on the team and make a decision on the best baseball path forward to being the best team they can be. I'd argue they didn't do that but instead looked at what they perceived the best PR move would be. But the situation between then and now hasn't changed. The pitch then was "we're playoff contenders! Ignore us being below .500 and just focus on us being 1 game back in the wild card and 4 out of the division." The situation is essentially the same. Still a below .500 team that is now 6 out of the division but still only 1.5 back of the wild card.

    They're just as "relevant" now as they were at the deadline. They'll keep selling the "we're contenders" storyline the rest of the year.

    3 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    I agree with the general sentiment here, but I don't know that September will be irrelevant. Well, no more irrelevant than the rest of the season. The situation hasn't really changed since the bad investments you referred to went down.

    The challenge at the deadline was always whether or not they'd take an unbiased, hard look at the talent on the team and make a decision on the best baseball path forward to being the best team they can be. I'd argue they didn't do that but instead looked at what they perceived the best PR move would be. But the situation between then and now hasn't changed. The pitch then was "we're playoff contenders! Ignore us being below .500 and just focus on us being 1 game back in the wild card and 4 out of the division." The situation is essentially the same. Still a below .500 team that is now 6 out of the division but still only 1.5 back of the wild card.

    They're just as "relevant" now as they were at the deadline. They'll keep selling the "we're contenders" storyline the rest of the year.

    Oh for sure....this team was never good.  I think back to all those articles about "no half measures" and "the Twins are going to win the PR game and show people they're serious".  So many of those arguments were predicated on playing meaningful baseball down the stretch.  How's that looking a mere two weeks after those bold proclamations?  We still have people arguing this was a good "business move"!  I don't know how anyone does that with a straight face while we stare down a far more plausible conversation about lottery odds than playoff odds.

    I also think it's worth noting here, because @jkcarew is doing his damnedest to get people to see the folly of the team's "contention" in another thread, that there was basically two reasons to believe this team was ever a contender:

    1) Best offense in the AL.  Yup.  They were.  They also were hitting like Tony Gwynn everytime there were runners in scoring position.  A lineup of Tony Gwynns we are not.  The regression was inevitable.  

    2) The WC standings.  A stat that has almost nothing to do with the Twins themselves.  Merely a reflection on an entire league being garbage.

    Everything else?  Run diff, bullpen, defense, regression, the play of your stars, depth, strength of schedule....all pointed to "who the heck are we kidding?"

    We chose poorly.

    4 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

    Oh for sure....this team was never good.  I think back to all those articles about "no half measures" and "the Twins are going to win the PR game and show people they're serious".  So many of those arguments were predicated on playing meaningful baseball down the stretch.  How's that looking a mere two weeks after those bold proclamations?  We still have people arguing this was a good "business move"!  I don't know how anyone does that with a straight face while we stare down a far more plausible conversation about lottery odds than playoff odds.

    I also think it's worth noting here, because @jkcarew is doing his damnedest to get people to see the folly of the team's "contention" in another thread, that there was basically two reasons to believe this team was ever a contender:

    1) Best offense in the AL.  Yup.  They were.  They also were hitting like Tony Gwynn everytime there were runners in scoring position.  A lineup of Tony Gwynns we are not.  The regression was inevitable.  

    2) The WC standings.  A stat that has almost nothing to do with the Twins themselves.  Merely a reflection on an entire league being garbage.

    Everything else?  Run diff, bullpen, defense, regression, the play of your stars, depth, strength of schedule....all pointed to "who the heck are we kidding?"

    We chose poorly.

    I can sort of answer the "who the heck are we kidding" question. A lot of fans. Their PR move didn't flop. And we'll have numerous posters on this site praising them for the rest of the season. There were a number of articles written on here in the days following the deadline how Tom Pohlad "proved" things. How we should believe this Pohlad is different. How we have owners who truly care and want to win now. All that garbage. And many fans ate it up.

    The power of expectations is carrying a lot of weight this year. People have spent most of the last few months talking about how they're "overachieving." How they're playing much better than the offseason projections and predictions thought they would. But they weren't. Not by record. Most fans on here and the projection systems had them in the mid-70s for wins. Which is what they've been on pace for most of the year. But since they weren't on pace for 60 wins the idea that they were overachieving landed. Mix that with the anti-analytics sentiment of not caring about predictive stats that say they're going to regress and the business department/Tom Pohlad was handed a PR gold mine at the deadline. All he had to do was say they're contending, have Zoll make minimal investments in the team, and the fan morale went up, Twins focused websites sang his praises. We were back, baby! And they'll continue to sell the story until some other AL team gets good and breaks away in the wild card race.

    The fact that there's any sales pitch needed to convince people this team was never really contenders says it all. Fans are starved for any crumb of hope. And the AL sucking handed it to them.

    8 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    I can sort of answer the "who the heck are we kidding" question. A lot of fans. Their PR move didn't flop. And we'll have numerous posters on this site praising them for the rest of the season. There were a number of articles written on here in the days following the deadline how Tom Pohlad "proved" things. How we should believe this Pohlad is different. How we have owners who truly care and want to win now. All that garbage. And many fans ate it up.

    The power of expectations is carrying a lot of weight this year. People have spent most of the last few months talking about how they're "overachieving." How they're playing much better than the offseason projections and predictions thought they would. But they weren't. Not by record. Most fans on here and the projection systems had them in the mid-70s for wins. Which is what they've been on pace for most of the year. But since they weren't on pace for 60 wins the idea that they were overachieving landed. Mix that with the anti-analytics sentiment of not caring about predictive stats that say they're going to regress and the business department/Tom Pohlad was handed a PR gold mine at the deadline. All he had to do was say they're contending, have Zoll make minimal investments in the team, and the fan morale went up, Twins focused websites sang his praises. We were back, baby! And they'll continue to sell the story until some other AL team gets good and breaks away in the wild card race.

    The fact that there's any sales pitch needed to convince people this team was never really contenders says it all. Fans are starved for any crumb of hope. And the AL sucking handed it to them.

    I think it should be noted...this argument is landing only with the diehards.  The casuals never saw a winner and a half measure deadline sure waan't going to change that.  All the next 40 games will do is tell the casuals they were right and the diehards will start the newest spin-job.

    You are so right, though, about how quick and thick the fawning got over two freaking relievers on a 75 win team.

    10 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    I can sort of answer the "who the heck are we kidding" question. A lot of fans. Their PR move didn't flop. And we'll have numerous posters on this site praising them for the rest of the season. There were a number of articles written on here in the days following the deadline how Tom Pohlad "proved" things. How we should believe this Pohlad is different. How we have owners who truly care and want to win now. All that garbage. And many fans ate it up.

    The power of expectations is carrying a lot of weight this year. People have spent most of the last few months talking about how they're "overachieving." How they're playing much better than the offseason projections and predictions thought they would. But they weren't. Not by record. Most fans on here and the projection systems had them in the mid-70s for wins. Which is what they've been on pace for most of the year. But since they weren't on pace for 60 wins the idea that they were overachieving landed. Mix that with the anti-analytics sentiment of not caring about predictive stats that say they're going to regress and the business department/Tom Pohlad was handed a PR gold mine at the deadline. All he had to do was say they're contending, have Zoll make minimal investments in the team, and the fan morale went up, Twins focused websites sang his praises. We were back, baby! And they'll continue to sell the story until some other AL team gets good and breaks away in the wild card race.

    The fact that there's any sales pitch needed to convince people this team was never really contenders says it all. Fans are starved for any crumb of hope. And the AL sucking handed it to them.

    Now Tom can whine to the fans over the winter about how unfair the system is, that he just can't compete financially with the big markets, and convince those same easily duped fans that a Salary Cap is necessary for the Minnesota Twins future. 

    35 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    Now Tom can whine to the fans over the winter about how unfair the system is, that he just can't compete financially with the big markets, and convince those same easily duped fans that a Salary Cap is necessary for the Minnesota Twins future. 

    The odd unbalanced roster construction and failure to address it was quite evident after the 2023 season. The drafts have seen some change toward more athletic players but the front office is still struggling to move fully forward. The deadline frenzy in July of 2025 seemed to portend further moves. The mythical Red Sox-Twins trade that fell through and  making the Alex Jackson deal the centerpiece of your offseason was a loud thud of reality for those of us who imagined an influx of talent. This offseason there are some obvious examples of changes that need to occur and there should be opportunities for transactions unless other MLB front offices hold their Minnesota colleagues in low regard, which really doesn't seem that likely. 

    A salary cap does nothing for the Twins and if it came with a salary floor the team could be a bigger mess next season. The owners created the revenue morass and only they can fix it. I'm wondering how the Dodgers, Yankees, and a few other clubs are going to respond to losing huge swaths of income which is currently "protected" by previous deals made between the owners. Does that seem realistic?

    Finally, I will revert to suggesting that money has not been a problem for roster construction. Identifying talent and making the moves needed to address weaknesses are the issue. One can only sit and hope that enlightenment dawns on the front office and Twins ownership that then allows the franchise to move in a positive direction.

    I don't know what people expected of Kaelen Culpepper? Did somebody think he was Barry Bonds or something? Slowish start? The guy is at wRC+ 114 as a shortstop. He's hitting as well at the MLB level as he did at AAA relative to his peers. 

    Culpepper is exceeding any reasonable expectations.

     

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    So the Twins have slipped to 20% chance of playoffs. They still have a roster logjam and no clearly established positions on the team apart from catcher and CF because Zoll's operating principles are still the same as it was when Falvey was here.

    Side note, I didn't realize Byron Buxton had been afflicted with Alex Kirilloff disease (if player does not go 5/5 with 5 HR and magically create 3 base runners prior to their plate appearance, they are hurt that game).

    The Twins now need German Marquez to regain his form as a ground ball pitcher and be a playoff caliber starter. That's probably the team's only ticket to advance in the post season. I feel like that's juuuuuuuuuust a bit outside.

    1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

    Now Tom can whine to the fans over the winter about how unfair the system is, that he just can't compete financially with the big markets, and convince those same easily duped fans that a Salary Cap is necessary for the Minnesota Twins future. 

    While I fully expect this story to be a large part of the CBA stuff, I have to give Tom credit to this point that he hasn't said anything like that, to my knowledge. He's actually been pretty good at saying they just need to spend more.

    13 hours ago, Danchat said:

    Not sure if trading 2 top 20 prospects and a few top 50 ones will come back to haunt us. And both of those top 20 prospects got traded for guys with another year of control, with the way Kremer is pitching then getting another year of him for something like $7M is a bargain, lockout pending of course.

    And this is coming from someone who wasn't pushing for this team to make trades for the reasons you have mentioned. These trades don't feel like they have the risk of the Jorge Lopez and Tyler Mahle trades of the past.

    The trades we made were fine. If we tender Jefferson, someone out bids us and we get a comp pick that woukd be fine. And if we can still get a couple quality players for Ryan in the offseasoj we can still salvage things. 

    16 minutes ago, saviking said:

    The trades we made were fine. If we tender Jefferson, someone out bids us and we get a comp pick that woukd be fine. And if we can still get a couple quality players for Ryan in the offseasoj we can still salvage things. 

    They aren't getting nearly as much for a hurt Ryan as they would have this off-season. Not close. I'm not going to praise them for getting pennies when they could have had dollars. 

    3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    They aren't getting nearly as much for a hurt Ryan as they would have this off-season. Not close. I'm not going to praise them for getting pennies when they could have had dollars. 

    I don't think there's any real option of trading Ryan anymore. Obviously, in the technical sense they can. But not for anything worthwhile. They went from 2 top 100 prospects plus to maybe a borderline top 100 guy on his way down after stalling a bit in the high minors? 

    At this point, their best path forward on him may be to try to spin this into a "cheap" extension. If they're really willing to spend more, trying to get another 2 years (on top of next year) at discounted rates from him and Lopez may be their best option. The likely result is they get a comp pick for each of them, and maybe Jeffers. Tried to play both sides of the fence like many of us complained about them doing during the offseason and got hit with just about the worst-case scenario. Went from 4 or 5 top 100 prospects plus to 3 comp picks and a sub-.500 team anyways. Brutal.

    1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

    I don't think there's any real option of trading Ryan anymore. Obviously, in the technical sense they can. But not for anything worthwhile. They went from 2 top 100 prospects plus to maybe a borderline top 100 guy on his way down after stalling a bit in the high minors? 

    At this point, their best path forward on him may be to try to spin this into a "cheap" extension. If they're really willing to spend more, trying to get another 2 years (on top of next year) at discounted rates from him and Lopez may be their best option. The likely result is they get a comp pick for each of them, and maybe Jeffers. Tried to play both sides of the fence like many of us complained about them doing during the offseason and got hit with just about the worst-case scenario. Went from 4 or 5 top 100 prospects plus to 3 comp picks and a sub-.500 team anyways. Brutal.

    I, unfortunately, agree. 

    4 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

    Oh for sure....this team was never good.  I think back to all those articles about "no half measures" and "the Twins are going to win the PR game and show people they're serious".  So many of those arguments were predicated on playing meaningful baseball down the stretch.  How's that looking a mere two weeks after those bold proclamations?  We still have people arguing this was a good "business move"!  I don't know how anyone does that with a straight face while we stare down a far more plausible conversation about lottery odds than playoff odds.

    I also think it's worth noting here, because @jkcarew is doing his damnedest to get people to see the folly of the team's "contention" in another thread, that there was basically two reasons to believe this team was ever a contender:

    1) Best offense in the AL.  Yup.  They were.  They also were hitting like Tony Gwynn everytime there were runners in scoring position.  A lineup of Tony Gwynns we are not.  The regression was inevitable.  

    2) The WC standings.  A stat that has almost nothing to do with the Twins themselves.  Merely a reflection on an entire league being garbage.

    Everything else?  Run diff, bullpen, defense, regression, the play of your stars, depth, strength of schedule....all pointed to "who the heck are we kidding?"

    We chose poorly.

    Probably contrary to popular opinion, I’d love to see the Twins get into the postseason. It’s not inconceivable by any stretch that they still could…and could even advance. Maybe you learn something about a player or two that you don’t already know. That’s the state of the AL this season.

    But what I’d love more, is before I die or forget what a baseball is (65 and currently healthy, thank you 😉)…for the Twins to be a legitimately really good team in the national conversation for a Pennant and WS. Zero reason that can’t happen. But I don’t see anything close to that in organizational commitment. It’s empirically obvious that it’s not even a goal. And that commitment, or in this case lack of commitment, involves money, but goes well beyond just money.

    46 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

    Probably contrary to popular opinion, I’d love to see the Twins get into the postseason. It’s not inconceivable by any stretch that they still could…and could even advance. Maybe you learn something about a player or two that you don’t already know. That’s the state of the AL this season.

    But what I’d love more, is before I die or forget what a baseball is (65 and currently healthy, thank you 😉)…for the Twins to be a legitimately really good team in the national conversation for a Pennant and WS. Zero reason that can’t happen. But I don’t see anything close to that in organizational commitment. It’s empirically obvious that it’s not even a goal. And that commitment, or in this case lack of commitment, involves money, but goes well beyond just money.

    I am right there with you.  Hell, I wanted them to go on a losing streak before the deadline just so the phony "we're contenders" stuff could be dispatched.  Rip off 40 in a row if you want after that, I'd be happy to see the playoffs.  

    Terrible asset management has been a huge part of why none of us have seen a World Series since 1991.  This deadline was yet another example.

    12 hours ago, howeda7 said:

    Doing that would have left us with a $50 million payroll and zero fan base the season before a likely lockout.

    You can't have such prospect blinders on that you completely destroy the business side of the franchise in pursuit of precious precious prospect lottery tickets, 80% of which will bust. 

    In a word: no.

    There is no fan base for this team as it is. They put all of their chips in, all for announced crowds of 21K and actual crowds of about 12K. 25th ranked attendance in MLB, and yet they play in a top 5 ballpark.

    The only thing that will increase the fanbase is winning a championship. The only thing that wins a championship is fielding an elite team. The only way for a midmarket team to field an elite team is through elite prospects. The only way to get elite prospects is to build a vision for short-term pains and long-term gains. Overhaul scouting and development. Take lumps. Trade when at an advantage. Strengthen and grow.

    None of this is rocket science. I don't know why so many fans reject it. Is it foolproof? Nope. Pirates have managed to screw up this process several times. But there is absolutely no path to a championship for a middling .500 club that continues to nibble at the fringes of the roster year after year after year. None.

    The had a snowballs chance in.... So now they're getting to the point of a snowflake's chance.

    It's not like they traded any prospects away that would help next season. Hoffman and Kremer will be around, like spending on FA's before the season begins...Yes, Hill has a big upside, but other than that, nothing lost for a season or two or more. If there was a lost opportunity for greater improvement down the road it was in what they MIGHT have got in trading Jeffers and Larnach. Anyone know what those offers were?

    Going to need a 10-5 run over the next 5 series. If not, time to start getting the triple A guys some MLB at-bats and preparing for 2027.

    5 minutes ago, weitz41 said:

    The had a snowballs chance in.... So now they're getting to the point of a snowflake's chance.

    It's not like they traded any prospects away that would help next season. Hoffman and Kremer will be around, like spending on FA's before the season begins...Yes, Hill has a big upside, but other than that, nothing lost for a season or two or more. If there was a lost opportunity for greater improvement down the road it was in what they MIGHT have got in trading Jeffers and Larnach. Anyone know what those offers were?

    Going to need a 10-5 run over the next 5 series. If not, time to start getting the triple A guys some MLB at-bats and preparing for 2027.

    The lost opportunity was not getting guys back from trading guys away.... All to sell like 8 more tickets.

    11 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    The lost opportunity was not getting guys back from trading guys away.... All to sell like 8 more tickets.

    Those were sold right after the trade deadline. NO REFUNDS! I will say I was tempted to get tickets for the Twins/Brewers series after that. Almost got me. I think it was $90+ for visitor BP seats. 

    The lost trades could have yielded zero mlb players. Could have been Tatis. We'll never know.

    1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

    The lost opportunity was not getting guys back from trading guys away.... All to sell like 8 more tickets.

    I think that's the part I find the most frustrating.  The folks on the board who bent over backwards to heap praise on the team for their moves are diehards.  The diehards that would still tune in if they sold at the deadline.  Tune in if the Twins play in capes.  Tune in if the Twins started Buxton on the mound.  Tune in if they went to bat with 2 x 4s.  They tune in no matter what.  They selfishly wanted their needs met and absolutely refused to hear that it was a long-term bad move.   The Pohlads then sought out the council of these folks and made decisions based on feels and not the cold, hard decision making the top teams do to stay on top year in and year out.

    They were so sure about the goodwill and positive messaging but they forget that the casuals that turn 20k into 40k could give two craps about a 75 win team adding some relievers.  Only the diehards cared.  They didn't sell more tickets.  They didn't build more goodwill.  The only thing August 2nd accomplished was another day of lost value and poor asset management.

    A Twins tradition like no other.

    On 8/17/2026 at 8:01 AM, Major League Ready said:

    This team was really well-positioned to rebuild quickly.  They had 5 young starters that needed playing time  (Matthews / Abel / Prielipp / Festa and Rojas.  SS was a huge need and they had a guy near ready.  The OF was in a similar state and they had multiple guys near ready.  Culpepper and Rodriguez could have been on the big club by July 1.   

    Ryan and Jeffers could have returned impact players.  If the reports on Tolle / Arias are true, going for it probably made the team weaker for the next 7 years.  They could have brought back a very good pitching prospect for Jeffers and of course, they also gave up a couple of high ceiling prospects in trade for Hoffman and Kremer.  Milwaukee and Tampa do not make these mistakes.   This was a very foolish / short-term focused decision by ownership even if the Twins do manage to get the last WC spot.

    One can say they should have traded Ryan last year for what was allegedly offered It is all based on hindsight Arias was well regarded, but not hitting all that well in A+, Tolle would have been maybe a game or two in AA experience. The Twins probably had not scouted that low in the minors. 

    26 minutes ago, old nurse said:

    One can say they should have traded Ryan last year for what was allegedly offered It is all based on hindsight Arias was well regarded, but not hitting all that well in A+, Tolle would have been maybe a game or two in AA experience. The Twins probably had not scouted that low in the minors. 

    If the Twins hasn't scouted that low, they should fold. Of course they knew who those guys were, both top 100 prospects. 

    31 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    If the Twins hasn't scouted that low, they should fold. Of course they knew who those guys were, both top 100 prospects. 

    At last year’s deadline Tolle was not a top 100 prospect At the start of  the year he was rated as their 17th best prospect. Hindsight 

    5 hours ago, old nurse said:

    One can say they should have traded Ryan last year for what was allegedly offered It is all based on hindsight Arias was well regarded, but not hitting all that well in A+, Tolle would have been maybe a game or two in AA experience. The Twins probably had not scouted that low in the minors. 

    No doubt, it's easy to say they should have traded for the best-case scenario.  It's not that easy.  However, teams with a significant revenue disadvantage have to find a way to overcome the inability to buy talent.   Milwaukee, Tampa, and especially the Guardians do not standout because they draft and develop a lot better than other modest revenue teams.  They acquire a lot of prospects, some of them in the form of guys that have made it to the majors but not proven anything.  It could be Trevor Megill for PTBNL or Freddy Peralta who they got for 1 year of Adam Lind. These teams don't let players go for nothing. 

    There is an opportunity in down years to invest in the future.  Trade away guys like Larnach and give Culpepper, Jenkins,  Roden, Rodriguez, Martin, and even Fedko / Sabato a chance.  It may not work but what were the odds this team was going to be a significant contender?  You invest 1 year in prospects for the chance to build a team that can be good for several years.  Instead, they traded away a couple high upside guys and could have acquired a couple other high upside guys.  That potential may not be reached but executing that strategy separates the modest revenue teams that contend frequently form the many who do not.  




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