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    Week in Review: Lewis Awakens, Deadline Decisions Loom

    Royce Lewis's emphatic return to form bodes well in the big picture, but in spite of it, the Twins aren't winning enough to stabilize their dwindling postseason chances, leaving the front office with little choice but to take a long-term view as the trade deadline bears down.

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    The Weekly Nutshell:
    The Twins once again had an interesting opportunity in front of them. They entered the ninth inning of their finale in Los Angeles with a one-run lead, on the verge of capturing an unlikely series victory against the formidable Dodgers. Finish the job there, sweep the lowly Nationals at home over the weekend, and the Twins would be back above the .500 mark as we speak, ruling out any notion of a sell-off as we head into deadline week.

    Of course, that's not how it went. That's never really how it's gone when the opportunity for redemption has presented itself to this bunch. Instead, a familiar meltdown scenario played out in the bottom of the ninth against LA. Then the Twins managed to squeak by the Nats despite zero run-scoring hits on Friday, and were beaten soundly the next two days for a third consecutive series loss coming out of the break. 

    This is the most disappointing Twins team I've followed in at least 10 years. Unlike so many others that have fallen short of expectations, this one can't point to an abundance of injuries or misfortune for its failure. Only a complete lack of heart and fight from a group of players that has fully earned whatever dismantling is about to come.

    Weekly Snapshot: Mon, 7/21 through Sun, 7/27
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    Record Last Week: 2-4 (Overall: 50-55)
    Run Differential Last Week: -11 (Overall: -19)
    Standing: 4th Place in AL Central (10 GB) 

    Last Week's Game Results:

    Game 100 | LAD 5, MIN 2: Twins Fall Behind Early, Can't Fight Back Against Ohtani and Co.

    Festa: 5 IP, 4 ER

    Game 101 | MIN 10, LAD 7: Seven RBIs from Bottom of Lineup Fuel Much-Needed Victory

    Lewis, Vazquez: 6 RBI

    Game 102 | LAD 4, MIN 3: Jax Blows One-Run Lead in 9th, Freeman Delivers Walk-Off

    Jax: 0.2 IP, 2 H, 2 BB, 2 ER

    Game 103 | MIN 1, WAS 0: Zebby Mows Down Nationals, Buxton's Sac Fly Carries Twins

    Matthews: 6 IP, 0 R, 2 H, 0 BB, 7 K

    Game 104 | WAS 9, MIN 3: Big Hits Elude Twins and Mistakes Mount in Lethargic Loss

    Twins offense: 1-12 RISP

    Game 105 | WAS 7, MIN 2: Another Series Slips Away Behind Sloppy, Ugly Baseball

    Adams: 3.1 IP, 5 ER

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    NEWS & NOTES

    On Friday night, Bailey Ober made his second rehab start with the Saints, and it once again went well in terms of results: 5 IP, 1 R, 2 H, 1 BB, 6 K. Is he ready to return? He certainly looks out of place in Triple-A, and there are no signs of anything amiss physically, so Ober should be back in the Twins rotation very soon. 

    The rotation suddenly needs him after losing David Festa to the injured list on Wednesday due to shoulder inflammation. Travis Adams was recalled to fill in on the pitching staff for the time being. Losing Festa is tough given his talent and ability, but the reality is that his performance has been quite spotty this year as he's been unable to settle into any kind of consistent groove. Hopefully a little time off enables him to come back fresh and more effective.

    Joining Festa on the injured list two days later was reliever Anthony Misiewicz, who exited Wednesday's game with an injury and was later diagnosed with a shoulder impingement. Kody Funderburk is back to replace him as a lefty in the bullpen, and that could actually be an upgrade, although Fundy has struggled mightily in the past two seasons and had another rocky re-entry to the majors this time around, allowing three runs in two innings on Saturday.

    The Twins made a catching depth swap on the 40-man roster. Jair Camargo was designated for assignment and subsequently released, following Diego Cartaya out the door. With that, the Twins have parted ways with both Triple-A backstops that entered this season as the top organizational depth behind Ryan Jeffers and Christian Vázquez. Jhonny Pereda, a 29-year-old journeyman recently placed on waivers by the Athletics, was claimed and added to the 40-man roster to replenish the lost catching depth. The future of this position for the Twins is beyond murky with Vázquez headed for free agency this winter and Jeffers just one year behind.

    For now, the Twins made it clear that Mickey Gasper is third on the MLB catching hierarchy; he was called up on Saturday for a temporary stint while Jeffers is on the paternity list. (Congrats!)

    A final note of relief: Byron Buxton excited Saturday's game with what was described as soreness in his side, and sat out Sunday's series finale against Washington, but Rocco Baldelli shared postgame that an MRI revealed rib cartilage irritation rather than anything more serious, and Buck is considered day-to-day.

    HIGHLIGHTS

    For nearly a full calendar year, fans have been waiting for the real Royce Lewis to stand up. Hobbled by a series of lower-body injuries, which he recently admitted have taken a toll on him, Lewis was one of the least productive hitters in baseball over a stretch of several months in a stunning fall-off from his prodigious peak. As Royce himself grasped for answers and the numbers continued to flounder, it was only natural to wonder if the superstar capability was still in there.

    The past week provided some resounding affirmation on that front. Lewis appears to have turned a corner in sharp and sudden fashion. Springboarding off a two-homer game in Colorado to close out the previous week, Lewis went 8-for-22 with another homer, four doubles and five RBIs. He walked twice with just one strikeout in 24 plate appearances. It's not just the numbers that offer encouragement; there's a visible confidence and lightness that have returned to Royce. He looks like a different guy in the box than he did at the depths of his unrelenting slump. This could be a game-changer for the Twins if they can find a way to stay in the fight.

     

    The breakthrough performance from Zebby Matthews on Friday night also could portend favorably for the Twins going forward. Granted, he was going against a very bad last-place team with a sub-mediocre offense. But Matthews finally pulled it all together in his finest major-league start, striking out seven with only two hits allowed in six shutout innings. What really sticks out here is that Zebby finally put his famously masterful control on display at the big-league level, avoiding the lapses and misfires that have plagued him. He had issued at least one walk in 10 straight starts before keeping the BB column clean in this gem. 

     

    The injury to Festa elevates Matthews's importance to this rotation. If he can answer the call like he did on Friday and Ober can come back looking stronger, they'll be in solid shape on the starting pitching front.

    LOWLIGHTS

    The Twins were on their way to what could have potentially been one of their biggest wins of the season on Wednesday in Los Angeles. Taking a 3-2 lead into the bottom of the ninth, they were on the verge of securing an unlikely series win on the road against the mighty Dodgers, and negating the bad vibes from a series loss in Colorado to open the second half.

    With Jhoan Durán unavailable after throwing 29 pitches the previous night, it was Griffin Jax who got the call to come in and seal the deal. He did not.

    This was a prototypical Jax disaster outing with all the recognizable ingredients — a combination of factors inside and outside of his control. He was bitten by some bad luck on batted balls as well as an extremely questionable umpiring call, but once again this disappointment was defined by his inability to show resilience and overcome adversity. Let's be clear: this was a terrible outing for Jax. He induced zero swings and misses on 20 pitches. He inexplicably tried to dance around, and walked, LA's worst hitter (Esteury Ruiz) to put the winning run in scoring position. Then he gave up a rocket to Freddie Freeman on a well-earned walk-off hit, even though Harrison Bader came oh-so close to catching it. 

     

    There are plenty of metrics that continue to portray Jax as one of the most dominant relief pitchers in the league, and he's shown that form often enough. There's a reason he's known to be in high demand among buyers with the trade deadline hovering. But despite his prowess, Jax has had way too many of these games, where wins turn into losses under his watch. Aaron Gleeman noted that Wednesday marked the seventh time this year in which Jax lowered Minnesota's win probability by at least 25%, leading the major leagues. Assuming he's still here on Friday, the Twins are going to need much more from Jax than they've gotten in high-pressure situations.

     

    Brooks Lee might be on the verge of a demotion back to Triple-A. He's been incapable of making any noise at the plate, with a low-power, low-discipline profile that doesn't offer much in the way of upside. He managed two singles in 12 at-bats last week and is 7-for-57 (.123) with one double, two runs scored and three walks in the month of July. On top of that, the quality of Lee's glovework has been deteriorating as his offensive struggles follow him into the field — his consequential dropped fly ball in Saturday's game enters the running for ugliest defensive moment in a season with all too many contenders.

    Luke Keaschall continues to progress in his rehab at Triple-A, now moving beyond DH restriction and making starts at second base. As he advances, the clock could and should be ticking on Lee, although obviously the Twins' deadline dealings will have an effect on any such shakeup.

    Shakeups are all but certainly coming in some fashion, and they've been earned by this lackluster ballclub. At a time where the Twins needed to give us (and the front office) any kind of reason to believe, they instead just gave us more of the opposite, putting forth another week of uninspired, sloppy, non-urgent play with everything on the line.

    Defensive plays were missed constantly, and not just by Lee. Big hits were nowhere to be found — the Twins went 1-for-21 over the weekend with runners in scoring position. Carlos Correa had one extra-base hit (a double) in 23 plate appearances on the week. Matt Wallner and Trevor Larnach went a combined 4-for-27 with four RBIs.

    Serial rally killer Willi Castro grounded into four double plays in a 4-for-25 week that included seven strikeouts, one walk and zero RBIs. Much like he did in the second half last year, Castro is disappearing when the offense needs him to step up. It'd no surprise if he actually disappears from the roster within the next few days, and you know what? Whatever. He's had a commendable run in here in Minnesota after being signed to a minor-league deal but I'm ready to move on. 

    TRENDING STORYLINE

    The trade deadline arrives this coming Thursday, July 31st, at 5:00 PM CT. As a team with slim contention hopes and plenty of useful contending pieces — including a handful on expiring contracts — the Twins will be open for business in the coming days. Their full mindset is unclear, but by now, at least some some level of light selling feels inevitable. If this season is ultimately destined to be a lemon, maybe the Twins can squeeze some lemonade out of it down the line.

    Given Minnesota's position in the standings and underwhelming play, I would be surprised if the front office didn't flip multiple rental players in exchange for future assets. Bader and Danny Coulombe probably top the list of likelihood, with Castro up there as well. 

    I would be equally surprised if the Twins traded Joe Ryan, given his importance to a 2026 team that still has plenty of promise depending on how the offense gets addressed. Jax and Jhoan Durán, or another controllable reliever like Brock Stewart, are in a similar boat as Ryan but less off-limits should the right offer come along. Whether or not they choose to cash in on one or more of their highly regarded relief arms might be the most intriguing narrative surrounding the Twins front office at this deadline. Only a few more days to go.

     

    For additional reading, here's a rundown of some of our latest deadline-focused content. There will be plenty more to come in the week ahead, including Twins Daily's official deadline primer going live on Monday morning.

    LOOKING AHEAD

    The Red Sox come to town looking to reinforce their presence in the AL postseason race as the Twins watch their last wisps of hope fade away. With the trade deadline land on an off day in between series, Minnesota may show up in Cleveland on Friday with a differently constructed roster. 

    MONDAY, JULY 28: RED SOX @ TWINS — RHP Richard Fitts v. RHP Simeon Woods Richardson
    TUESDAY, JULY 29: RED SOX @ TWINS — RHP Lucas Giolito v. RHP Chris Paddack
    WEDNESDAY, JULY 30: RED SOX @ TWINS — RHP Brayan Bello v. RHP Zebby Matthews
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    FRIDAY, AUGUST 1: TWINS @ GUARDIANS — RHP Joe Ryan v. RHP Gavin Williams
    SATURDAY, AUGUST 2: TWINS @ GUARDIANS — TBD v. RHP Tanner Bibee
    SUNDAY, AUGUST 3: TWINS @ GUARDIANS — RHP Simeon Woods Richardson v. RHP Joey Cantillo

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    8 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

    Man...I knew Lee had been bad lately but those totals for July are preposterously bad.

    Not really hindsight cause I said this at the time, but trading Lee before the 2024 season for major league help was very clearly the best way for him to improve the team. Sadly we now know he's another slow as hell Twin that plays a bad defense. So even if he does improve to become a 115 OPS+ type the Twins just have another Jose Miranda on their hands. 

    Yup Nick nailed it when he said that they can’t blame injuries., People must believe it did not matter the least bit that the ace of the pitching staff has been on the 60 day IL, the touted on these pages as a Cy Young candidate pitcher is also on the IL, because the next 2 men up Festa and Mathews are going to be stars an uninjured. 

    17 minutes ago, old nurse said:

    Yup Nick nailed it when he said that they can’t blame injuries., People must believe it did not matter the least bit that the ace of the pitching staff has been on the 60 day IL, the touted on these pages as a Cy Young candidate pitcher is also on the IL, because the next 2 men up Festa and Mathews are going to be stars an uninjured. 

    And as we all know the Twins are the only team to ever experience injuries. Depth has never been discussed because injuries never happen and it's never needed. 

    Have the Twins been one of the healthier teams the last couple seasons? Sure. But there were some injuries and no team can ever overcome that. 

    9 hours ago, Nick Nelson said:

    What does breaking apart this core of players look like, in practicality? Get specific with me here Van.

    Trade one of Duran and Jax 

    Trade one of Wallner and Larnach - as we see with Julien and Miranda, their stock can always get worse. 

    Combine Bader and Coulombe in the same trade to get a slightly better prospect 

    Trade Castro 

    Fire Rocco and see what a new voice does for the next 2 months. 

    In the offseason, then we discuss trading one of Lopez, Ober, and Ryan

    9 hours ago, Nick Nelson said:

     If you're saying you want them to trade all their best players away and commit to being bad in the name of some vague rudderless rebuild, then no, I reject that notion fully.

    Literally no one is saying this. 

    Two weeks ago you ridiculed any fan who advocating selling at the deadline. Now you disingenuously are advocating the same thing and ridiculing any fan who points out your bad faith. It appears you've learned a thing or two from your favorite team about how to treat your customers poorly.  It's not our fault that you can't or won't see what's blatantly obvious:  this is a bad team and a bad organization.  

    9 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

     

    What it seems like is that you're taking your frustrations on how the season has played out on fans who just saw the writing on the wall before you did.  Rather than admit "Yup....changed my mind.  I held out hope longer.  I'm not excited and I'm guessing none of you were either.  This sucks...but it's the only way" you keep doubling down on bad faith arguments.

     

    "The writing on the wall" implies it was a foregone conclusion they were going to go 3-6 coming out of the All-Star break. Nah. They play the games for a reason. I watch the games for a reason. Sitting there in early July when they are a couple games under .500 and saying they should give up and sell is not some sign of savvy baseball genius. It's a quitter mentality. 

    They played badly since then, they blew opportunities against teams they very easily could have beaten, and as a result, now they are in position where they need to sell. That's how this works. You "change your mind" based on the events that play out. It's literally what happened with the actual front office. 

    48 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

    Trade one of Duran and Jax 

    Trade one of Wallner and Larnach - as we see with Julien and Miranda, their stock can always get worse. 

    Combine Bader and Coulombe in the same trade to get a slightly better prospect 

    Trade Castro 

    Fire Rocco and see what a new voice does for the next 2 months. 

    In the offseason, then we discuss trading one of Lopez, Ober, and Ryan

    None of this qualifies as "breaking up the core" at the deadline other than kind of trading Wallner or Larnach (which is a horrible idea btw). Rentals and the manager are not part of the core you were referencing.

    If you wanna discuss trading Lopez, Ober or Ryan in the offseason sure, but understand you're just giving up on 2026 and giving ownership cover to cut spending. 

    3 hours ago, NYCTK said:

    Not really hindsight cause I said this at the time, but trading Lee before the 2024 season for major league help was very clearly the best way for him to improve the team. Sadly we now know he's another slow as hell Twin that plays a bad defense. So even if he does improve to become a 115 OPS+ type the Twins just have another Jose Miranda on their hands. 

    I'm as unhappy with Lee as the next person, but he is a far better fielder than Miranda.  2nd base is not the right position for him.  He plays a solid 3rd base and an acceptable SS.  Miranda has no position.  But at least he can't hit either...since his hot streak last summer.  All that said, depending on what happens at the trade deadline, Lee should be playing for St. Paul soon.

    25 minutes ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    Literally no one is saying this. 

    Two weeks ago you ridiculed any fan who advocating selling at the deadline. Now you disingenuously are advocating the same thing and ridiculing any fan who points out your bad faith. It appears you've learned a thing or two from your favorite team about how to treat your customers poorly.  It's not our fault that you can't or won't see what's blatantly obvious:  this is a bad team and a bad organization.  

    Because two weeks ago advocating for selling at the deadline was lame. There was no bad faith. I said it then, I'm saying it now. I'm sick of people just assuming the team will suck and then saying "SEE I TOLD YOU." 

    How about cheering for the team and hoping they do well, and then re-evaluating when they don't? It's what the front office did, it's what fans who actually like the Twins do. There's not some bonus prize for giving up as early as you can.

    7 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    If you wanna discuss trading Lopez, Ober or Ryan in the offseason sure, but understand you're just giving up on 2026 and giving ownership cover to cut spending

    We’re on pace to miss the playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons. Giving up on 2026 is continuing doing the same thing. Relying on 3 injury prone players to carry the offense and filling the gaps with cheap, replacement level veterans. 

    26 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    "The writing on the wall" implies it was a foregone conclusion they were going to go 3-6 coming out of the All-Star break. Nah. They play the games for a reason. I watch the games for a reason. Sitting there in early July when they are a couple games under .500 and saying they should give up and sell is not some sign of savvy baseball genius. It's a quitter mentality. 

    They played badly since then, they blew opportunities against teams they very easily could have beaten, and as a result, now they are in position where they need to sell. That's how this works. You "change your mind" based on the events that play out. It's literally what happened with the actual front office. 

    They played badly before that too. For example, 2024. And the first half of 2025. 

    Too many people think that a few lucky breaks, a 53-52 record and this team would miraculously be a contender. It hasn't been a contender since Gray left. And that's been obvious to those that are willing to see it. 

    28 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    I'm sick of people just assuming the team will suck and then saying "SEE I TOLD YOU." 

    (we told you so)

    28 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    How about cheering for the team and hoping they do well, and then re-evaluating when they don't? It's what the front office did

    This might explain why the front office has proven to be quite inept. I agree, fans should try to remain optimistic and hope for the 90th percentile outcomes for all their players. But that's absolutely not what a front office should be doing. 

    8 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    They played badly before that too. For example, 2024. And the first half of 2025. 

    Too many people think that a few lucky breaks, a 53-52 record and this team would miraculously be a contender. It hasn't been a contender since Gray left. And that's been obvious to those that are willing to see it. 

    They were a .500 team in 2024 and the first half of 2025. That's not bad, it's meh. Certainly not indicative of a hopeless team. (What was the Tigers' record in 2023 and the first half of 2024? What was the Twins' record in 2022 and the first half of 2023?)

    If the Twins had a 53-52 record right now they would be like 2 games out of a wild-card spot and very literally a contender. Again, you're welcome to just act negative and cynical at every turn, and I know there's a certain segment of people on this site and elsewhere who will happily join you, but most fans - and people in the game - understand that it's a sport of ups and downs, and things can change quickly. What happened last is not proof of what's going to happen next. If anything, with this team, quite the opposite.

    40 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

    We’re on pace to miss the playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons. Giving up on 2026 is continuing doing the same thing. Relying on 3 injury prone players to carry the offense and filling the gaps with cheap, replacement level veterans. 

    And in your opinion the best thing to be done about this is trading one (or more) of their best pitchers in their primes for prospects while entrusting this front office to target the right guys and develop them? Rather than shoring up the offense and trying to win around these very good pitchers?

    Again I don't see how this "rebuild" concept is doing anything other than giving ownership a pass to not try for a while. Having two ace-caliber starters atop your rotation is very obviously one of the single most important ingredients in building a championship contender,

    2 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    They were a .500 team in 2024 and the first half of 2025. That's not bad, it's meh.

    In the league's worst division and an astounding 70-79 against teams that weren't the worst team in major league history. 39-59 against teams above .500! I know you play the games you're given but the Twins "success" in 2024 was always a mirage. 

    They've similarly been 24-34 against teams that are above .500 this season. It's a team built to compete in the AL Central exclusively. 

    5 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    If the Twins had a 53-52 record right now they would be like 2 games out of a wild-card spot and very literally a contender.

    This is the cause of the disconnect. No, a mediocre team sitting outside of the extended playoff format is NOT a contender. If you think they are, that's having remarkably low expectations. 

     

    3 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    And in your opinion the best thing to be done about this is trading one (or more) of their best pitchers in their primes for prospects while entrusting this front office to target the right guys and develop them? Rather than shoring up the offense and trying to win around these very good pitchers?

    Again I don't see how this "rebuild" concept is doing anything other than giving ownership a pass to not try for a while. Having two ace-caliber starters atop your rotation is very obviously one of the single most important ingredients in building a championship contender,

    That’s the position we’re in Nick. They will have to trade their surplus of pitching talent to shore up the offense. Because the budget for FA will be minimal once again. There’s no path to shoring up the offense and trying to win with this group of pitchers. If we only trade one of Ober, Lopez, and Ryan, that still leaves 2 ace-caliber starters atop your rotation. 

    I would personally rather watch a young team put up this kind of record and try and develop those young players and give them MLB at bats than watch this current mess of a team supplemented by waiver wire wannabes.

    With no cap in MLB, the only way this team can get competitive is to hit on some young prospects and ride them before they go play for the Yankees and Dodgers.

    58 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    "The writing on the wall" implies it was a foregone conclusion they were going to go 3-6 coming out of the All-Star break. Nah. They play the games for a reason. I watch the games for a reason. Sitting there in early July when they are a couple games under .500 and saying they should give up and sell is not some sign of savvy baseball genius. It's a quitter mentality. 

    They played badly since then, they blew opportunities against teams they very easily could have beaten, and as a result, now they are in position where they need to sell. That's how this works. You "change your mind" based on the events that play out. It's literally what happened with the actual front office. 

    Not a foregone conclusion, a matter of probability.  You're the one dealing in absolutes here and it's part of the problem.  Could they have gone on a heater and I changed my mind?  Possible.  Likely?  I mean, mathematically their best percentage of playoffs was 20ish percent.

    The issue isn't about changing your mind.  The issue is the BS arguments where you call people quitters.  Another example: you're in this thread arguing that selling is "giving cover to ownership" - aren't you the same person who argued "people are overrating the role ownership plays"?  You know, when several of us pointed out that selling is our only option because we know ownership won't buy anyone....YOU gave cover to ownership.  (I can cite those posts if you want to deny it)

    All of us know the Front Office will wait to make that call.  It's ok that you waited longer to make that call.  I won't call you names for waiting.  I get it.  But....tt doesn't make us quitters, or excited, or whatever other ******** label you want to use next that we decided sooner.  It just means we arrived there quicker based on what we were seeing.  

    8 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

    That’s the position we’re in Nick. They will have to trade their surplus of pitching talent to shore up the offense. Because the budget for FA will be minimal once again. There’s no path to shoring up the offense and trying to win with this group of pitchers. If we only trade one of Ober, Lopez, and Ryan, that still leaves 2 ace-caliber starters atop your rotation. 

    This is the key.  How else do we change this roster if not trading?

    Ownership tapped out two years ago.  That's not changing.  It's trade or get miracle development.  And how's that last one looked the last two years?

    Interesting article, Nick.  And very interesting discussion by everyone here.

    I was so hopeful earlier this season for another year of exciting baseball.  After all, guys my age don't have a lot of seasons left to enjoy.  So I watched the first couple innings yesterday, then asked my wife if she wanted to get started on that puzzle we bought on Saturday.  So for me, the Twins have lost me for another year.

    Want to comment on Brooks Lee.  Will agree with the above comments that he is slow.  That got my attention as I love the way a lot of smaller market teams play that have a ton of speed.  But I want to defend Lee's defense a bit.  I'm not saying his D has been good.  But it seems since the day he arrived in Minnesota he has been playing three different positions.  Considering his background, I believe if the Twins let him play one position for an extended period he would eventually be good defensively at said position.  Also believe he was rushed to the Twins last year and the rest of the year at St. Paul to work on his hitting and ONE defensive position would help.

    Must disagree, however, with your comment on trading one of Larnach or Wallner.  Heck, if they got the right offer I would trade both of them.  Neither is good defensively and both are slow.  On the other hand, will be disappointed if Bader gets traded.  Would like to see him re-signed at year's end as their fourth outfielder for the next couple years. 

    59 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    Because two weeks ago advocating for selling at the deadline was lame. There was no bad faith. I said it then, I'm saying it now. I'm sick of people just assuming the team will suck and then saying "SEE I TOLD YOU." 

    How about cheering for the team and hoping they do well, and then re-evaluating when they don't? It's what the front office did, it's what fans who actually like the Twins do. There's not some bonus prize for giving up as early as you can.

    This season was over coming out of spring training , as most fans here have a love of the game and want the twins to succeed  , it just isn't⁵ going to happen ...

    Vanimal46 said trade 1 or the other of wallner or larnach , well it would not be wise to trade wallner because  his value has plummeted even though he would be the one I would trade or at least demote to AAA  ...

    We need to make changes for the better , we haven't made any real changes since deadline of 2022 and here we are , a stagnant offense with solid team pitching  , we need both 

    We as fans evaluate players every single game , our game is not exciting , no speed , no fundamentals  , offense has been in the tank since spring except for a 13 game winning streak ( by the way , has anyone ever looked up to see if a team has had 2 consecutive seasons with a 12 game plus winning streak and not made the playoffs ) ...

    I hope nick you get your hope on the twins turning this around  but your in for a big disappointment or you can rub it in our faces ...

    We are old baseball players that didn't make it all the way to the show , I had a passion to at least try in the 70's with several clubs at their June tryouts , I had talent , just not enough ...

    I do cheer for the Twins , I live for opening day and the world series and everything in-between  ...

    20 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

    This season was over coming out of spring training , as most fans here have a love of the game and want the twins to succeed  , it just isn't⁵ going to happen ...

    Vanimal46 said trade 1 or the other of wallner or larnach , well it would not be wise to trade wallner because  his value has plummeted even though he would be the one I would trade or at least demote to AAA  ...

    We need to make changes for the better , we haven't made any real changes since deadline of 2022 and here we are , a stagnant offense with solid team pitching  , we need both 

    We as fans evaluate players every single game , our game is not exciting , no speed , no fundamentals  , offense has been in the tank since spring except for a 13 game winning streak ( by the way , has anyone ever looked up to see if a team has had 2 consecutive seasons with a 12 game plus winning streak and not made the playoffs ) ...

    I hope nick you get your hope on the twins turning this around  but your in for a big disappointment or you can rub it in our faces ...

    We are old baseball players that didn't make it all the way to the show , I had a passion to at least try in the 70's with several clubs at their June tryouts , I had talent , just not enough ...

    I do cheer for the Twins , I live for opening day and the world series and everything in-between  ...

    Loved the above comment, Blyleven.  Although I never played the game, your last few lines brought tears to my eyes.  Thanks!

    2 hours ago, Nick Nelson said:

    "The writing on the wall" implies it was a foregone conclusion they were going to go 3-6 coming out of the All-Star break. Nah. They play the games for a reason. I watch the games for a reason. Sitting there in early July when they are a couple games under .500 and saying they should give up and sell is not some sign of savvy baseball genius. It's a quitter mentality. 

    Their playoff odds were less than 10% at the All-Star break. This team has been mostly bad since last August. Success after the break was the least likely scenario.

    Sadly it's sell time. First the Team. New owners get rid of Falvey & Baldelli.

    So much for our "prospects" Lee, Martin, Miranda, Julien, none of whom will ever be star players. Trade them all for a couple of youngsters with potential.

    The one expiring contract we need to keep is Coulumbe. We have Zero LH pitchers in the organization and he won't be that expensive next year. Other than that, I got nothing. This season of "it's all going to come together" never got off the ground. Matthews & Keaschall are the lone bright spots (& Buxton) in a season of poor coaching, poor play & injuries. The same reasons, in inverse order,  as the last few seasons.

    It ALL needs to change. 

    2 hours ago, Nick Nelson said:

    How about cheering for the team and hoping they do well, and then re-evaluating when they don't? It's what the front office did, it's what fans who actually like the Twins do. There's not some bonus prize for giving up as early as you can.

    Lol now you're on to fan policing.  Resorting to calling those who disagree with you bad fans is a real sign that you're winning the conversation.  Well done sir. 

    2 hours ago, Nick Nelson said:

    Because two weeks ago advocating for selling at the deadline was lame.

    This is the same team it was two weeks ago.   Sorry you couldn't see what everyone else could.  Nobody likes being wrong, but lashing out and calling people "quitters" and "lame" and bad fans is frankly middle school behavior.  

    46 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

    This season was over coming out of spring training , as most fans here have a love of the game and want the twins to succeed  , it just isn't⁵ going to happen ...

    Vanimal46 said trade 1 or the other of wallner or larnach , well it would not be wise to trade wallner because  his value has plummeted even though he would be the one I would trade or at least demote to AAA  ...

    We need to make changes for the better , we haven't made any real changes since deadline of 2022 and here we are , a stagnant offense with solid team pitching  , we need both 

    We as fans evaluate players every single game , our game is not exciting , no speed , no fundamentals  , offense has been in the tank since spring except for a 13 game winning streak ( by the way , has anyone ever looked up to see if a team has had 2 consecutive seasons with a 12 game plus winning streak and not made the playoffs ) ...

    I hope nick you get your hope on the twins turning this around  but your in for a big disappointment or you can rub it in our faces ...

    We are old baseball players that didn't make it all the way to the show , I had a passion to at least try in the 70's with several clubs at their June tryouts , I had talent , just not enough ...

    I do cheer for the Twins , I live for opening day and the world series and everything in-between  ...

    Did you play in high school, college, town ball, or the minor leagues? I find everyone's playing journey interesting. If you are located in or near Minnesota and want to continue playing the sport, there is an age 50+ baseball league and also a 60+ baseball league. They use wood bats and it's a great chance to get out there and compete. 

    1 hour ago, rdehring said:

    Must disagree, however, with your comment on trading one of Larnach or Wallner.  Heck, if they got the right offer I would trade both of them.  Neither is good defensively and both are slow.  

    Who's going to come along and give the offer, at this moment in time, for either one of them? They are playing some of the worst ball of their careers right now! That was my point, not that I'm opposed to the general idea of trading either one.

    I don't think a lot of the ideas being proposed as deadline plans are actually sensible or realistic, other than selling off rentals. Which, I'm sorry, isn't going to upgrade the system all that meaningfully. A lot of people yelling at me for being unwelcoming of change while refusing to acknowledge the realities and implications of making those changes. 

    2 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

    This is the key.  How else do we change this roster if not trading?

    Ownership tapped out two years ago.  That's not changing.  It's trade or get miracle development.  And how's that last one looked the last two years?

    New ownership will likely be in place by the end of the season.

    Larnach, Wallner and Lee improving and having better seasons next year would not be "miracle development" it would be standard baseball development. Lewis already seems to be coming out of it. 

    I'm asking again: what kind of trades are we making to change and meaningfully improve the roster? Trading rental players isn't going to do it - you'll get mid-tier prospects and lotto tickets. Are we entrusting this front office to trade good players with multi-year control and get back worthy returns, at the expense of even trying to contend next year with Buxton and Correa? 




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