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    Twins 2018 Position Analysis: Starting Pitcher


    Nick Nelson
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    It's been said often but bears repeating: building a rotation isn't about five starting pitchers. Sure, you want five good ones lined up at the top. But in 2016 the Twins had eight different hurlers make 10-plus starts. Last year 16 guys got the nod at least once. Sixteen!

    It's been common practice for Minnesota of late: inevitable injuries and underperformance leading to flimsy depth being tested. With underequipped fill-ins unable to answer the call, the Twins have gone through endless cycles of short-lived mediocrity.

    Injuries and underperformance remain inevitable here in 2018, as ever, but finally the front office has built up enough depth to where a 'next man up' philosophy doesn't sound all that foreboding.

    In fact, right now it's actually a little exciting.

    Projected Starting 5: Jose Berrios, Lance Lynn, Jake Odorizzi, Kyle Gibson, Phil Hughes

    Reinforcements: Ervin Santana, Adalberto Mejia, Trevor May, Aaron Slegers, Felix Jorge

    Prospects: Fernando Romero, Stephen Gonsalves, Zack Littell, Blayne Enlow, Brusdar Graterol

    THE GOOD

    Not so long ago, things looked quite grim for the Twins rotation. The club struck out in its pursuit of Yu Darvish and as spring training approached they hadn't added anyone of consequence. Then Ervin Santana's finger surgery was announced. Then... they signed Anibal Sanchez.

    It was a low point. But it didn't last long.

    Days after reaching agreement with Sanchez, the Twins pulled off a trade with Tampa to acquire Jake Odorizzi. Three weeks later they signed Lance Lynn, one of the top names on the free agent market.

    By the time the Twins cut loose Sanchez, less than a month after signing him to a non-guaranteed contract, their starting unit had been reshaped. That low point felt like a distant memory. With Odorizzi and Lynn in the fold, the rotation is solidified, and it features a revitalizing medley of established quantities, intriguing youth, and pending reinforcements.

    With Jose Berrios looking ready to take the next step, the Twins have a potential frontline type on hand, even with Santana set to miss the first month-plus.

    Odorizzi, Lynn and Kyle Gibson look more like mid-rotation cogs, but fairly reliable ones (your mileage may vary on Gibson). Phil Hughes currently slots in at No. 5 and is tough to trust, but he can be hidden for much of April and won't have a long leash.

    The rotation out of the gates doesn't boast a ton of upside beyond Berrios, but we find much more of that in the ensuing waves. Santana was of course Minnesota's top starter in 2017, and among the best in the American League. He should enter the picture sometime in May. Adalberto Mejia made 21 starts for the Twins as a 23/24-year-old in 2017 and showed he was capable. Trevor May has the stuff to make a real impact and will have plenty of time to sharpen up ahead of his June ETA.

    Those three alone provide more viable rotation depth than the Twins have had in years. Even pitchers further down the board like Aaron Slegers and Felix Jorge are more appealing as MLB-ready spot start candidates than the Quad-A retreads that have typically been available over the past decade.

    And then you start digging into the top prospects. Fernando Romero and Stephen Gonsalves, the organization's two best young arms that have yet to reach the majors, could be ready at any time. Zack Littell isn't far behind, nor is Lewis Thorpe. And promising teenagers Blayne Enlow and Brusdar Graterol figure to rise quickly.

    The Twins have come a long, long way since 2016 when their rotation was an abominable disaster. There is enough depth, now and going forward, that it's hard to see things devolving to that point or anywhere close again.

    THE BAD

    While there are enough proven starters and legit prospects to inspire confidence that things won't unravel completely, the Twins still lack a credible ace, and are short on the types of overpowering arms you'd want to trot out in a playoff series.

    Berrios showed major improvement last year but still profiled as more of a No. 3 on a championship contender. Lynn posted a 4.82 FIP in St. Louis. Odorizzi posted a 5.43 FIP in Tampa. We all recall how Gibson looked for much of the summer. And Hughes the finesse pitcher will be hard-pressed to get MLB hitters out consistently.

    You can dream on this rotation but objectively it looks rather mediocre. The impending returns of Santana and May are somewhat heartening, but it could be June before either is ready. Will the Twins have dug a deep hole by then?

    The team is sort of in a transitional period right now, with several veteran starters on short-term commitments and several prospects still needing to take their first lumps in the majors. Although Minnesota is likely on the verge of a true starting pitching breakthrough, it might realistically be another year away.

    THE BOTTOM LINE

    From 2016 to 2017, the Twins went from 30th to 19th in starting pitcher ERA, which is a hell of a step forward. But that was reliant on a Herculean effort from Santana, who is poised to miss a significant portion of the 2018 season.

    In order to take another step and graduate to the top half of the league, Minnesota will need some other players to find that extra gear like Erv did last year. They'll also need some young hurlers to join in and find immediate success, which has been rare.

    The pipeline is as strong and ripe as it's been in over a decade, but we still may need to wait just a little bit longer before it bears the fruit that can push this franchise over the hump.

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    True, but Santana also threw 30 more innings than in 2016, with 5 complete games and 3 shutouts. He carried a big portion of the load. If not for his impact the staff would've ranked near the bottom of the league again.

     

    I agree with your point that without Ervin, they probably would have been near the bottom in 2017. My point is that the improvement from 30th to 23rd didn't primarily come from Ervin pitching better in 2017. It came from the improvement in other places, primarily from two spots in particular.

     

    Ervin was huge last year. But in 2016, the starters overall ERA was 5.39. If you take out Ervin's 2016 starts and replace them with his 2017 starts (including the 30 extra innings), the starters ERA would have only dropped by 0.10 to 5.29, and they still would have been close to last.

     

    However, going from 30th to 23rd was from the starters ERA dropping from 5.39 in 2016 to 4.73 in 2017, a net drop of 0.66. So my point was that if Ervin's improvement dropped the ERA by about 0.10, the remaining 0.56 came from improvements elsewhere.

     

    So looking elsewhere, 2016 Gibson vs. 2017 Gibson was virtually a wash, as was 2016 Nolasco vs. 2017 Colon (really, I was surprised too!). 2017 Santiago was a tiny bit better than 2016 Millone and 2017 Hughes was a smidge better than 2016 Hughes, in each case in similar numbers of starts. 

     

    I didn't go to the bother of totaling the riffraff of small-volume starters, other than to note that the leash was short on Turley, et al., in 2017, both in numbers of starts individuals got and in how long they lasted in a game. By contrast 2016 gave us 9 starts of Pat Dean (6.85).

     

    If those were mostly a wash, where did the big improvement come from? Ultimately, it wasn't primarily from Ervin's slight improvement in 30 additional innings. Rather, it was from having...

    • 25 starts from Berrios (3.89) and 21 from Mejia (4.50) in 2017 (46 starts total)
    • vs. 26 starts from Duffey (6.43) and 14 starts from Berrios (8.02) in 2016 (40 starts total)  

    Best staff in years. Berrios will be better. Santana is still quality when healthy. Odorizzi is solid, should be much better this season healthy, and finished 2017 strong. Lynn adjusting to a new league, but also a full year recovered from surgery. And really, Gibson is your #5, not Hughes.

     

    Excited we can dip down to Rochester for someone young and talented and not a street signing if need be.

     

    I have this feeling that Lance Lynn is going to be a pleasant surprise, for some.  Will go so far as make two predictions.  One, he will have a better season than that Darvish guy; and two, he will like it here and they will shock everyone this July when the Twins extend him with a contract similar to what he was looking for this past winter.  

    Lynn -- it rhymes with win. And Darvish will become the answer to "Whatsamattah Yu?"

    This is a far far deeper group than were accustomed to. I like that the season isn't hinged to a prospect becoming an instant star or a has been returning to form worth plan b being aaaa roulette. Out of the 10 or so guys who figure to make starts, hopefully we can find 5 or 6 who pitch well and 2-3 who tear it up.

    Edited by Jham

     

    The Twins have nice depth so they should be ok. The offense will lead them so the pitchers just have to be adequate and they look like they can pull that off. If Lynn or Ordozzi fail, we have Romero (who I like a lot) in the wings as well.

     

    It'll also be fun to watch how Thorpe handles AA hitters. He's close and has some big upside.

    Read into it what you will, but Thorpe was the SP for high-A Ft. Myers today on the back fields. There have obviously been several roster adjustments and I haven't seen the latest list, but he may be opening the season with the Miracle. Guess we will find out in about a week.

    I was under the impression Darvishes escalators were cy young awards. If he wins 2 cy Young’s, the $150M will almost certainly be money well spent.

     

    It’s possible Darvish melts down. I don’t think he will. I think he’s ripe for a really nice few years. I’m guessing 2-3 years as an ace, plus 2-3 years as a #2 and 0-2 years as a #3 would be completely reasonable. That’s be worth it.

     

    If those were mostly a wash, where did the big improvement come from? Ultimately, it wasn't primarily from Ervin's slight improvement in 30 additional innings. Rather, it was from having...

    • 25 starts from Berrios (3.89) and 21 from Mejia (4.50) in 2017 (46 starts total)
    • vs. 26 starts from Duffey (6.43) and 14 starts from Berrios (8.02) in 2016 (40 starts total)  

     

    All good points. I guess the real takeaway is this: Santana might not have primarily driven the improvement, but him delivering a quarter of the team's SP innings with a 3.28 ERA was a huge reason for whatever level of success they had in 2017. This year they won't be able to count on that again, both because he'll throw fewer innings and he's extremely unlikely to replicate that performance upon returning.

     

    So the statement laid out in the 2nd-to-last paragraph fully stands.

     

    I thought I saw something here (like a Bernadino tweet or something) that said he was. Strained oblique.

    I didn't see anything in Berardino's tweets but I did find a source here: https://www.twincities.com/2018/03/24/injuries-to-phil-hughes-zack-granite-complicate-twins-plans/

     

    If Hughes hits the 15 day DL, I wonder who the 5th starter would be. I think it could be Tyler Duffey or maybe even Fernando Romero, but I don't think these two are stretched out enough. Maybe Aaron Slegers? I don't think it'll be Gonsalves or Jorge.

     

    Those fangraph IP projections seem awfully low. Other than maybe Erv’s.

     

    My problem with the FanGraph ratings is they're assuming last season was the correct assessment of Odorizzi and Lynn's ability/performance when projecting their likely performance this season, rather than accounting for their total track record. Additionally, I don't love the way fWAR handles pitching; it's a metric of what they're saying the pitcher should have produced based on their peripherals, rather than what they actually did.

     

    Now, Lance Lynn was probably lucky last season, considering the difference between his ERA and his FIP. But he was also coming off Tommy John and posted the worst FIP he'd ever had in the majors. So FanGraphs is projecting him to be basically that again using his career-worst FIP as the baseline but his career-average delta between his ERA and FIP as the measuring stick to get to his ERA? Ouch. That's a lot of regression to assume on a guy who is only 30. Additionally, they've assumed he'll only pitch 149 innings; since becoming a full-time starter he's never pitched less than 175. I get that they have to try to make some guessed on injury; there's no way a team gets through the year without guys missing some starts, but I can't say I love this guess. Why are they assuming Lynn throws 35 inning less than last season and Gibson 2?

     

    Odorizzi suffers in similar fashion; they're weighing last season awfully heavily on a guy who has had a solid enough track record and reportedly pitched hurt last year. 

     

    Something else to consider: the difference between 16 and 21 is 1 WAR. 

     

     

     

    Remember the days when there were only about four statistical pitching benchmarks to go by?

    Not to be overly Bert Blyleven about it (i.e., super basic and repetitive) but from outward appearances, this rotation (except maybe for Gibson) seems likely to consistently deliver quality or near-quality starts (imagine Bert's voice) and might be capable of getting on a roll. No more 4+ innings in the box score every third game (one can hope). It's maybe a little old-school to look at it that way, and yeah, no "ace" exactly, but consistent, stable performances on a daily basis would be a vast improvement, even over 2017.

     

    It is nice to have 3 spots with solid pitchers and a 4th when Santana comes back. If Gibson and/or Hughes fail, we have some decent options waiting in the wings. I hope the days of retread SPs is gone for a long time. We might not have an ace, but we don't have 3 #5 pitchers in the rotation either

     

    "Starters not named Ervin went from a 5.91 ERA in 2016 to 5.19 in 2017."

     

    Question 1:  What was the ERA from starters named neither Ervin nor Berrios?

     

    Question 2:  Is a 4.50 SP really that rare these days?

     

    A1 = 5.55

    A2 = Kind of. There were 14 qualified starters with ERA's of 4.49+ last year. It's not that starters posting 4.50 ERAs are rare. It's that pitchers who post those ERAs for consecutive years are rare. A guy can have a bad season driven by luck. BABIP, a couple of his solo shots wind up being grand slams instead... those make big differences in ERA.

     

    Teams look to shed pitchers who pitch at that 4.25+ level because they make it awfully hard to win games. 6 innings and 3ER (4.50 ERA) is treated as a quality start, but it's really not. Your team will probably allow at least one more ER over the last 3 innings of the game (ERA 3.00) which means your team needs to score 5 runs to win. The probability of scoring 5 runs in a game is far lower than 4 runs. Actually, that's the very basis of the "Ace" for the playoffs discussion. An Ace is expected to give you 7 innings at 2 ER. A #3 will give you 7 innings at 3 ER, which is still a solid start, but the expectations of winning are probably 80% in favor of the Ace's team at that point.

     

    A1 = 5.55

    A2 = Kind of. There were 14 qualified starters with ERA's of 4.49+ last year. It's not that starters posting 4.50 ERAs are rare. It's that pitchers who post those ERAs for consecutive years are rare. A guy can have a bad season driven by luck. BABIP, a couple of his solo shots wind up being grand slams instead... those make big differences in ERA.

     

    Teams look to shed pitchers who pitch at that 4.25+ level because they make it awfully hard to win games. 6 innings and 3ER (4.50 ERA) is treated as a quality start, but it's really not. Your team will probably allow at least one more ER over the last 3 innings of the game (ERA 3.00) which means your team needs to score 5 runs to win. The probability of scoring 5 runs in a game is far lower than 4 runs. Actually, that's the very basis of the "Ace" for the playoffs discussion. An Ace is expected to give you 7 innings at 2 ER. A #3 will give you 7 innings at 3 ER, which is still a solid start, but the expectations of winning are probably 80% in favor of the Ace's team at that point.

     

    Thank you, Bean

     

    So how many qualified starters had ERAs less than 4.5?

     

    Hence my query about how rare it is.  For me, one of the keys of the season is the ERA (or WHIP) for starting pitchers other than Erv and Berrios.  It would be wonderful if it was less than 5.55

     

    A bad contract is a bad contract, regardless of how you spin it.

    It costs that much to get him. I'm not sure why spreading the money over more years is bad. You need to look at the entirety of the contract, not just the bad years, to judge the contract.

    A1 = 5.55

    A2 = Kind of. There were 14 qualified starters with ERA's of 4.49+ last year. It's not that starters posting 4.50 ERAs are rare. It's that pitchers who post those ERAs for consecutive years are rare. A guy can have a bad season driven by luck. BABIP, a couple of his solo shots wind up being grand slams instead... those make big differences in ERA.

     

    Teams look to shed pitchers who pitch at that 4.25+ level because they make it awfully hard to win games. 6 innings and 3ER (4.50 ERA) is treated as a quality start, but it's really not. Your team will probably allow at least one more ER over the last 3 innings of the game (ERA 3.00) which means your team needs to score 5 runs to win. The probability of scoring 5 runs in a game is far lower than 4 runs. Actually, that's the very basis of the "Ace" for the playoffs discussion. An Ace is expected to give you 7 innings at 2 ER. A #3 will give you 7 innings at 3 ER, which is still a solid start, but the expectations of winning are probably 80% in favor of the Ace's team at that point.

    Yet, the Twins are stubbornly holding onto a guy that has been below 4.47 exactly once in 4 full seasons (145 + IP) and over 5 the last two. Indeed, an awful lot of posters on this board are placing a great deal of faith in this individual.

     

     

     

    Question 2:  Is a 4.50 SP really that rare these days?

     

    For the record, the starting pitching average ERA for the AL in 2017 was 4.54. League average for both leagues was 4.49. 

     

    I wouldn't call it rare, but I think it's far to echo what others have said that it's hard to find guys who can consistently pitch better than average. Part of that is health. Part of that is pitching is hard. I think saber in particular has changed a lot of that, especially with the focus on things like launch angles and what not. 




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