Final: Tigers 7, Twins 2 - Baez Blasts Twins Again

6 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Ryan goes 6 innings giving up 3 runs.  A quality start.  Somehow that = negative .089 WPA.  

6 hours ago, bean5302 said:

It's a "quality start" in name only.

It was a quality start and deserving. Vierling's leadoff "single" in the first was an error and the run should have been unearned. 

The triple by Keith in the 6th was bad luck on the bounce and wouldn't have scored if it would have been the expected double. 

Joe Ryan earned a quality start. 

IMO Ryan pitched a quality game- 6 innings, 3 runs & 8Ks. This probably wasn't Steward's best situation to ease back into MLB, especially with Okert relieving him. Staumont proved himself again. A disappointing game.

55 minutes ago, theBOMisthebomb said:

 

It was a quality start and deserving. Vierling's leadoff "single" in the first was an error and the run should have been unearned. 

The triple by Keith in the 6th was bad luck on the bounce and wouldn't have scored if it would have been the expected double. 

Joe Ryan earned a quality start. 

I agree that Joe deserved better.  But I think the discussion is more a micro vs macro thing.  On the micro level, each start by any pitcher can be analyzed and picked apart, like the ones where a pitcher gives up 6 runs, but only 3 are earned because the 3rd out of the 6th inning was booted, but then he gives up a walk and a 3 run dinger.  The 3 are unearned, technically, but he should have been able to stop the bleeding.  And then there are the ones like Joe yesterday, where, again, he deserved the stat.

On the macro end, the concept of a stat known as a "quality" start is in the eye of the beholder, and some have a point that a 4.50 ERA falls short of "quality" overall. I have a tendency to come down on that end, but the discussion is always interesting.   

It's probably too soon to be concerned about Brock Stewart; however, we certainly need him to return to form.  

Which Stewart are we going to get, the pre 2023 version or the 2023 version.  He has never pitched over 34 innings in a season and hasn't had success until 2023 over 27 innings.  Can we really count on him, has he found something.  I think counting on him to be anything more than a mid inning reliever until you can see more sustained success is a gamble. 

Interesting game.  Twins kept it close until they didnt.  Skubal is awesome and should remain in Detroit.  Hoping the Twins win Sunday.  I believe Detroit is doing a bullpen game today.  I think the game will swing largely on how Rocco manages an apparent bullpen game by the opposition.  He usually gets out managed in those games.

56 minutes ago, karcherd said:

Which Stewart are we going to get, the pre 2023 version or the 2023 version.  He has never pitched over 34 innings in a season and hasn't had success until 2023 over 27 innings.  Can we really count on him, has he found something.  I think counting on him to be anything more than a mid inning reliever until you can see more sustained success is a gamble. 

In theory, the Twins, once Topa is activated, will have two sets of high quality relievers.  Alcala, Jax and Duran for the games they are leading.  Topa, Sands and Stewart for games where it remains close.

Okert, Thielbar and Staumont .... well, someone will need to get cut and the other two can do mop up.

But, bullpen could be strong down the stretch.

Jax and Duran have actually been less than lockdown for much of the season so who knows what Rocco will go with.

1 hour ago, Jeff K said:

It's probably too soon to be concerned about Brock Stewart; however, we certainly need him to return to form.  

After Stewart's  turn ended , Baldelli  had a talk in dugout and probably encouraged him that he is still the high leverage man after he gets the kinks straightened  out  ...

I think the Twins need bullpen help at the deadline more than they need rotation help. Theilbar and Okert can not be counted on at all. Stewart may take another outing or two to get back to himself but I think he'll be fine. Topa is a wild card, he could help out or he could be a bust. What we do know for sure is that we need a quality lefty, preferably two lefties for our bullpen if we're going to win playoff series.