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    Emmanuel Rodriguez and the Range of Outcomes


    Nick Nelson

    Emmanuel Rodriguez is one of the most intriguing prospects in the Twins system, and there's little doubt his name is being brought up in trade discussions (at least by other teams) as the front office looks to land a front-end starter before spring training.

    In some respects, Rodriguez looks like a logical candidate to trade. But he also has qualities of a player who could make you regret the decision for many years to come.

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    Back in 2019, when the Twins signed 16-year-old Dominican outfielder Emmanuel Rodriguez for a $2.5 million as an international free agent, MLB's Jesse Sanchez described him as "the next Eddie Rosario." It's easy to see why that comparison would feel natural.

    At the time, Rosario was a leading figure on the breakthrough Bomba Squad, who ended up winning 100 games and setting the all-time home run record. Rodriguez, like Rosario, was a lefty-swinging outfielder with surprising power from his smallish frame. Even right down to their makeup and mannerisms, you can see similarities between the two: their competitive swagger, their contagious smiles, their flair for dramatics.

    One can understand why the Emma/Eddie parallel felt fitting at the time, and in some ways, it still feels fitting. But in another way, it has proven to be hilariously off-base, because the ways in which these two approach hitting could not be more different.

    Rosario has carved out a very nice major-league career, while establishing a firm reputation as one of the least disciplined sluggers in the league. That hyperaggression keeps his ceiling something less than vaulted. During the Bomba Squad season, when he launched 32 homers to contribute to their historic total, Rosario drew 22 walks in 590 plate appearances. His 3.7% walk rate was was fifth-lowest in the league. Throughout his career, he has routinely been one of the hitters most likely to chase pitches out of the zone.

    Rodriguez, on the other hand, is among the most patient hitters ever to come through the Minnesota system. His 20.2% walk rate at Cedar Rapids last year led the Midwest League by a sizable margin. The prior season, he had a ridiculous 28.6% walk rate in the Florida State League, before going down with a knee injury.

    It's a strength that could become a weakness for the 20-year-old, making his big-league outlook tough to confidently project. "At times, Rodriguez’s extreme patience can border on passivity, and he’ll likely need to get more aggressive to combat polished strike-throwers," wrote Aaron Gleeman in his top prospects list at The Athletic. "Constantly being in deep counts without great contact skills has led to an underwhelming .242 batting average and 30 percent strikeout rate, both potential red flags for such a talented top prospect."

    The reality is that a lot of pitchers in the minors have a hard time throwing strikes consistently. Certain hitters are good at taking advantage of this, leading to inflated walk rates, and often, those hitters are treated as novelties. Edouard Julien, for example, was still not much on the national prospect radar after leading the Double-A Texas League with a 19.3% walk rate in 2022. He also ranked third in OPS. He appeared on zero prominent top-100 lists last spring.

    In a recent video breaking down the Emmanuel Rodriguez experience, Tom Froemming noted the statistical similarities between Rodriguez and Julien, who has ended up being the better "Eddie" comp. Both have been outliers when it comes to drawing walks in the minors. We saw how well that translated to the majors for Julien, who was a unicorn in terms of discipline and also one of the league's best rookie hitters.

    The key for Julien has been his ability to selectively attack early in the count and punish mistake pitches. He has legitimate power, and in this regard, Rodriguez has a bigger edge. As we saw, power was the outfielder's calling card when he signed at age 16, and it continues to flash in big ways on the field. When Rodriguez gets a hold of one, he can crush it, helping him produce 35 home runs and a .495 slugging percentage through 183 games as a pro.

    While Julien was largely flying under the radar as a prospect, Rodriguez is not. MLB Pipeline currently has him ranked as the No. 48 overall prospect in baseball. It's generally agreed that while he ranks third in Minnesota's system, he'd be first in a lot of others. Even with his known struggles to make contact, Rodriguez's power/patience combo is too enticing in its upside. You don't find this kind of skill set often.

    Last year, only three qualified MLB players had a walk rate above 15%: Juan Soto, Kyle Schwarber, Shohei Ohtani. Lower the qualified threshold to 300 plate appearances and you've only got eight players (including Julien) who met that standard. That's 2.7 percent of the entire player pool. 

    You'll be hard-pressed to find a single bad offensive player among this ultra-patient cohort. Each of the eight had a wRC+ of 115 or better. Schwarber had the lowest on-base percentage, at .343, but he had a .197 batting average. He also hit 47 homers and drove in 108 runs. Schwarber exemplifies how this offensive profile can elevate a player beyond his contact struggles. Julien, Ryan Noda and Brandon Belt all had K-rates above 30% to go along with their 15% walk rates, but were solidly above-average offensive producers, nonetheless.

    So while the questions surrounding Rodriguez at this point mainly pertain to his floor, there's a good argument that his extreme level of patience–combined with power and defensive value–give E-Rod a fairly sturdy one. Meanwhile, his upside resides at the level of Soto and Aaron Judge: players capable of drawing 100 walks while hitting 30 to 40 home runs. Those are elite offensive forces who can win multiple MVP awards.

    All of this the Twins must weigh, in their pursuit of frontline starting pitching. To land a true prize capable of becoming a long-term fixture atop the rotation, they'll likely need to be willing to part with a talent of this caliber. Comparing Rodriguez to No. 2 prospect Brooks Lee (whose name, along with that of Julien, is also being bandied about in hypothetical trade scenarios) creates an interesting floor-versus-ceiling dichotomy. Which do you value more: the colossal upside of a Rodriguez or the stable certainty of a Lee?

    We'll likely know a lot more about Rodriguez and his true potential after this 2024 season, as he takes his game to the high minors and contends with higher-caliber pitching. One could very easily see him ascending to the highest tier of prospects, or fading dramatically because of his passivity and contact issues. That's what makes this such a pivotal moment. 

    I wrote recently about how good the Twins front office has been at replacing stars they trade away. Structurally, they are currently set up to do so in Rodriguez's case, with several lefty-swinging outfielders on hand (including Matt Wallner and Trevor Larnach), plus the new No. 1 prospect Walker Jenkins poised to rise fast.

    But if Rodriguez turns into what he could turn into, there's no replacing that. If he develops into the production equivalent of Eddie Rosario, that's not a horrible outcome. As Rosario has, he can have a solid career. The Twins will still feel okay about trading him to get the rotation boost they needed, just as they feel fine about trading Luis Arráez for Pablo López last January. If Rodriguez turns into anything approximating the production equivalent of Juan Soto, though, that's a franchise-altering miscue that will be lamented for decades. 

    These are the kinds of weighty decisions being considered by a front office equipped with a top-heavy farm system; a clear need at the front of the rotation; and limited funds with which to address that need. The high stakes make for an exciting yet harrowing moment of reckoning for Derek Falvey and the Twins.

    Would you be open to dealing Rodriguez, if that's what it takes to acquire a multi-year Pablo López co-ace, such as Jesus Luzardo or Logan Gilbert (whom Jamie Cameron wrote about here on Monday)? Or is your attitude more of a keep-at-all-costs, even if that means trading Lee instead, or aiming lower in your scale of starting pitching acquisition?

    This winter might be the last chance to trade Rodriguez while his value is sky-high--or it might be the last time time trading him even feels remotely plausible.

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    1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

    As a couple guys mentioned, top prospects get traded all the time. Spencer Steer has a better chance of being an MVP than Rodriguez since he already has had success in the Show & shows no reason why he wouldn’t continue to be better. Red’s MVP of ‘23. He was a traded prospect - nobody jumping off a bridge in Minneapolis over this. 

    Rodriguez - Polanco & another guy or two, other than Lee - Jenkins, is worth a solid starter for the next 2-4 years! No other 26 man guys but realistic add-ons to the Polanco - Rodriguez pairing would be worthwhile.

    If Rodriguez plays CF & isn’t ready until ‘25……..most think Jenkins plays CF & should be ready in ‘26……..make a deal for a pitcher now.

    Lee at 3B everyday & Lewis in LF everyday & Jenkins in CF everyday & Wallner in RF everyday …….CC & Julien & Jeffers through the middle, sounds OK for future….,,,not torn up with regret. Pitcher now & piece together CF for a couple seasons.

    When was the last time Falvey traded a top ten organizational prospect before that player had reached the majors? Perhaps this is important .... or not, but at least we should be aware of how Falvey has worked in the past.

    Spencer Steer topped out as a #11 prospect for the Twins. He was behind a ton of players. Good for him that he has received an opportunity with the Reds. Steer would not have received a promotion with the Twins. Luck and circumstances play into careers. The guy the Twins should not have given up to Cincinnati was Encarnacion-Strand. 

    The Twins need Emmanuel Rodriguez to develop into a star. He might not but Falvey is unlikely to risk the young slugger reaching his potential with another team and there should not be anyone blocking his path as soon as next year.

    Who knows what will happen between now and May. I'm open to improvements, but do not see using EmRod as a trade chip as a good idea. Besides, the point is likely moot because teams like Seattle are trying to win now and not looking for prospects.

    I would agree with chepetit that ERod's value may never be higher than it is now. But with that said he still doesn't have enough value to get a TOR SP by himself. Not even close. Using our own Louis Varland as an example, I don't think he could even get Varland w/o additional resource added in. But because he has the potential to be a star but who's not at top trade value I want to keep him. Rightnow with things as they are in baseball I don't want to see any of Jenkins, Lee, Rodriguez or Raya traded. As an organization we can't afford to lose value on any of these. 

    17 minutes ago, sweetmusicviola16 said:

    I would agree with chepetit that ERod's value may never be higher than it is now. But with that said he still doesn't have enough value to get a TOR SP by himself. Not even close. Using our own Louis Varland as an example, I don't think he could even get Varland w/o additional resource added in. But because he has the potential to be a star but who's not at top trade value I want to keep him. Rightnow with things as they are in baseball I don't want to see any of Jenkins, Lee, Rodriguez or Raya traded. As an organization we can't afford to lose value on any of these. 

    I agree that the Twins need to hold their best prospects (top five - Jenkins, Lee, EmRod, Festa, Raya).

    Of course, every prospect "may" have reached their ceiling but EmRod could explode this season to Dylan Crews status/value. I don't see the value as very important when the organization plans to develop and put a player into their own lineup. The value for trading is all over the place. Where does Falvey see EmRod in two years? I think he sees him on the grass at Target Field.

    1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

    With apologies to Blake Snell who I have zero faith in, these guys aren't as good as the hypothetical arms the rest of us have been talking about getting from Miami and Seattle. Getting more guys who will fill out the middle to back of the rotation won't help this team win the World Series, and that's all I want. This team has enough top end offensive prospects and young players, they can afford to part with some.

    Just not Jenkins, Lee, or Lewis. 

    On 1/16/2024 at 6:26 AM, Jamie Cameron said:

    Enjoyed this piece a ton. Came to mention that I think the tension in E-Rod's skill set is best summed up a question: Assuming he can become more aggressive earlier in counts, can he improve his contact%?

    Tension is the right word.  I look at it slightly differently., though we end up in pretty much the same place.

    What if his level of aggressiveness is already about right?  In AA this year, he'll be facing more capable pitchers, as with every promotion. 

    At single-A, a lot of pitchers will put themselves in a 3-0 hole if you let them.  In the majors, most pitchers will put you in an 0-2 hole if you let them.  A batter with the right aggressiveness will spit on those single-A pitches but could try to do something with the major league ones, without actually changing a thing in his approach.  The detailed stats would look like he was more aggressive, when he really wasn't. 

    The key for him may be improving his contact rate, as you say, which currently suggests big holes in his swing.  Waiting for your pitch, and then batting only .240, is a worrisome sign.

    Moreso than most prospects, he has a huge range of possible career outcomes.  For all the hype, he could bust.

    I'm an optimist, so I'm about as averse to trading him as Brooks Lee, even though his floor is much lower.  It's a bit like stock-picking, where you can absorb 100% losses on some investments and still come out ahead with a few big winners.  But unlike money, where every dollar is on a par with another and you can bunch them together over time, hitting big on one baseball investment can help propel you to a pennant since there are only 26 spots on anybody's roster - you can't win the pennant with 50 1-WAR players.  If you have a player in your system with a 5-WAA season in him, you'd better not trade him for 2 years of Sonny Gray who gives you 5 WAA combined.  But now I'm changing subjects.  😀

    At 20 yo Erod is heading to AA. He is still considered a baby but comes up huge in clutch situations. How can someone say he has huge holes in his game? His development skills wont peak for about 10 more years if he is the real deal and carry him until Age 35/6? How many top 3 team prospects have peak value at age 20? None that are midwest league MVP types is my guess. 

    34 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

    At 20 yo Erod is heading to AA. He is still considered a baby but comes up huge in clutch situations. How can someone say he has huge holes in his game? His development skills wont peak for about 10 more years if he is the real deal and carry him until Age 35/6? How many top 3 team prospects have peak value at age 20? None that are midwest league MVP types is my guess. 

    FYI he turns 21 on Feb 28, so he'll be heading to AA at 21. And an interesting little thing for the Twins system is that Kala'i Rosario is the 20 year old that actually won the midwest league MVP last year. Although he's 6 months older than Emmanuel so he's already 21. Will be interesting to watch his progression the next couple of years as well.

    @chpettit19 yes and Rosario is the twins #19 prospect and will likely beat Erod to MLB and ahead of them is Yoyner Fajardo who has already torn up AA at 24 yo.  My whole point is value is relative and it’s impossible to project yet it seems like everyone thinks they can.  After just 1 yr do you think the Marlins would rather have Arraez or Julien? A year ago Juliens value was no where near Arraez. 

    First, the truth is we just don't know what the FO is trying to do. In the recent past they added Maeda for Graterol which turned out pretty fair for both teams, in their time frame. Never saw Odorizzi for Palacios. Never saw Gray for Petty. And never saw Arraez for Lopez, plus a couple interesting A ball players. So I don't KNOW, nor does anyone really, that the Twins can't pull another rabbit out of the hat for 2024 without having to touch our top 5 prospects.

    Just in general, and not getting specific, I want the Twins to move Polanco + for an arm, whether it be Manoah, or larger. I'd like them to add a decent, solid RH bat...if not a really good one...instead of just counting on Miranda, Martin, or Helman to fill a role. And I'd still really like to add that one more, proven, solid arm to the pen instead of just banking on Canterino, Staumont, etc.

    But the more I look at what we have right now, and what's coming up in 2024 and 2025, the more I'm honestly more and more on board with a few others here where I want to add to the edges, trust in what we have, keep our depth and the prospects, and go out and win the ALC...which I think we should be able to do right now...and see what happens. MAYBE revist and add a player/arm or two at the deadline if needed for the final push and playoffs.

    I'm NOT saying I DON'T want the team to get better. And I understand there is as much risk in NOT trading someone like E-Rod right now. Hey, he might look completely overrated at AA as a 21yo and we MAYBE lost a chance to sell high. (Though struggling some at AA as a 21yo isn't exactly a death sentence). But I think I'd rather take the gamble that he's going to mature/adapt and find that aggressive early account approach against better pitchers, while maintaining discipline, similar to Julien, and not tank by staying too passive. My goodness, we're talking about a VERY talented kid who only turns 21yo just as ST starts!

    I don't want to move Julien or Lee. They are just really good, and have the potential to be really good for a long time. I mean, Lee doesn't have the ceiling of E-Rod, but does anyone really not believe he's not going to be really good, even without achieving greatness? And with all due love and respect to Ryan and Ober, and Varland...who are both really good and haven't yet reached their apex, IMO...Festa and Rya are probably the best SP prospects produced since probably Berrios. 

    Might the Twins be better, not status quo even though they're good and deep right now? Maybe they're better off keeping most of what they have, maybe moving Polanco +...who I just love and hate to see go...in one semi major move to improve one spot, or a couple possibly in the right deal, and play the waiting game for a FA add or two for the peripherals of the team? Let's say Polanco and a prospect or two in the teens/twenties for Manoah, just as an example. The Jay's get a wonderful player on the cheap plus a prospect or two, and the Twins take the gamble that Manoah can find himself again. Then the FO snags a milb contract arm like, let's just say old friend Odorizzi. possibly with a June out clause, for depth and a reclamation project. Maybe they can then turn around and grab someone like Hoskins or Duval on a relatively inexpensive deal. One is a 1B/DH deal to provide depth for Kirilloff...or allow AK to still play a little OF here and there...and one who could be a quality 4th OF and powerful RH bat  who we don't have to count on as a daily player, considering age and injury history.

    I'm rambling a bit. And the FO might pull yet another rabbit out of the hat. I think we all know that, hope for it, and expect SOMETHING to happen.

    But if the option is moving Polanco, maybe Kepler, and teens/twenties prospects vs Julien and any of the top 5 prospects, considering where we are right now and might be later in 2024 and beyond, I'm more inclined to work the edges and depth.

    Remember when Cruz fell in to our laps a few years ago? Maybe the FO adds an Odorizzi type SP via trade, or snags Stoman or Clevinger as a FA and then Hoskins or Duvall on a 1yr deal. ONLY examples.

    Hey, I'm just spitballing. I have ZERO idea what the FO is going to do. But I AM wondering if adding to the edges and depth isn't the right move for 2024.

    3 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

    @chpettit19 yes and Rosario is the twins #19 prospect and will likely beat Erod to MLB and ahead of them is Yoyner Fajardo who has already torn up AA at 24 yo.  My whole point is value is relative and it’s impossible to project yet it seems like everyone thinks they can.  After just 1 yr do you think the Marlins would rather have Arraez or Julien? A year ago Juliens value was no where near Arraez. 

    Not sure why Rosario would beat Rodriguez to MLB when Rodriguez is the one on the 40-man and they're at the same level at the same age. Yoyner Fajardo is interesting, but has a lot to do to jump the already on the 40-man Rodriguez, too.

    I agree value is relative and that's why I'm pushing back on such strong stances of "you just can't trade him!" when there's a very real possibility his value goes down moving forward. My point is that for every "Arraez vs Julien" example you can throw out I can throw 3 "Arraez vs Miranda" examples. Prospects go the other way far more than they go up in value. It's an impossible task, but the task of the FO is to maximize all their assets as well as possible. Sometimes that's trading a prospect who's value is going to go down. Sometimes it's keeping them. "He's got MVP upside so you can't trade him!" is an insanely aggressive stance that many on this thread are taking. It's an unrealistic take, in my opinion. 

    Taking a super strong stance in either direction here is too much for me. The answer, in my opinion, is simply that they can't give him away for nothing, but if he can help bring back proven MLB talent he certainly should be available. The previous regime hoarded prospects the way many on this board are suggesting the Twins have to. It didn't work out well at all. Sometimes trading well thought of prospects is the right move and is how you maximize that asset. The key is being really good at self-evaluating. Have to be realistic about what your guy's chances of truly being impact big leaguers is. Fans don't tend to be super realistic about these things.

    36 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    Taking a super strong stance in either direction here is too much for me. The answer, in my opinion, is simply that they can't give him away for nothing, but if he can help bring back proven MLB talent he certainly should be available.

    Agreed about total absolute stances. Lewis & SWR for Kirby & Ford seems fair or EmRod for Gilbert. Fine. Seattle doesn't want prospects though so trading EmRod is a moot point. I can't think of a pitcher worth trading for that would involve Rodriguez. Can you?

    1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

    Not sure why Rosario would beat Rodriguez to MLB when Rodriguez is the one on the 40-man and they're at the same level at the same age. Yoyner Fajardo is interesting, but has a lot to do to jump the already on the 40-man Rodriguez, too.

    I agree value is relative and that's why I'm pushing back on such strong stances of "you just can't trade him!" when there's a very real possibility his value goes down moving forward. My point is that for every "Arraez vs Julien" example you can throw out I can throw 3 "Arraez vs Miranda" examples. Prospects go the other way far more than they go up in value. It's an impossible task, but the task of the FO is to maximize all their assets as well as possible. Sometimes that's trading a prospect who's value is going to go down. Sometimes it's keeping them. "He's got MVP upside so you can't trade him!" is an insanely aggressive stance that many on this thread are taking. It's an unrealistic take, in my opinion. 

    Taking a super strong stance in either direction here is too much for me. The answer, in my opinion, is simply that they can't give him away for nothing, but if he can help bring back proven MLB talent he certainly should be available. The previous regime hoarded prospects the way many on this board are suggesting the Twins have to. It didn't work out well at all. Sometimes trading well thought of prospects is the right move and is how you maximize that asset. The key is being really good at self-evaluating. Have to be realistic about what your guy's chances of truly being impact big leaguers is. Fans don't tend to be super realistic about these things.

    I smell what the Chpettit is cooking on this thread... taking into account all responses, insight as good if not better than the original article! 

    18 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

    Agreed about total absolute stances. Lewis & SWR for Kirby & Ford seems fair or EmRod for Gilbert. Fine. Seattle doesn't want prospects though so trading EmRod is a moot point. I can't think of a pitcher worth trading for that would involve Rodriguez. Can you?

    I can see a top prospect or two in a package to get Corbin Burnes if he is willing to sign a 4-6 yr deal. The Pohlads should inject some financial creativity and defer some of his salary extension in order to stay in a realistic budget this year. I wonder why the Pohlads haven’t tried it. If the Dodgers can do it, why can’t the Twins?

    10 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

    Agreed about total absolute stances. Lewis & SWR for Kirby & Ford seems fair or EmRod for Gilbert. Fine. Seattle doesn't want prospects though so trading EmRod is a moot point. I can't think of a pitcher worth trading for that would involve Rodriguez. Can you?

    Miami's new brain trust may be into a guy who's a year away. Or maybe Seattle thinks he's ready now. I don't think having a top 100 global prospect be a possible trade chip is ever moot. Maybe Seattle wants Kepler and Rodriguez so they can use Kepler in 2024 and hand the job over to Rodriguez in 2025. Lots of possible trades you can cook up with him. Doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 deal so the options are wide open.

    13 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    Not sure why Rosario would beat Rodriguez to MLB when Rodriguez is the one on the 40-man and they're at the same level at the same age. Yoyner Fajardo is interesting, but has a lot to do to jump the already on the 40-man Rodriguez, too.

    I agree value is relative and that's why I'm pushing back on such strong stances of "you just can't trade him!" when there's a very real possibility his value goes down moving forward. My point is that for every "Arraez vs Julien" example you can throw out I can throw 3 "Arraez vs Miranda" examples. Prospects go the other way far more than they go up in value. It's an impossible task, but the task of the FO is to maximize all their assets as well as possible. Sometimes that's trading a prospect who's value is going to go down. Sometimes it's keeping them. "He's got MVP upside so you can't trade him!" is an insanely aggressive stance that many on this thread are taking. It's an unrealistic take, in my opinion. 

    Taking a super strong stance in either direction here is too much for me. The answer, in my opinion, is simply that they can't give him away for nothing, but if he can help bring back proven MLB talent he certainly should be available. The previous regime hoarded prospects the way many on this board are suggesting the Twins have to. It didn't work out well at all. Sometimes trading well thought of prospects is the right move and is how you maximize that asset. The key is being really good at self-evaluating. Have to be realistic about what your guy's chances of truly being impact big leaguers is. Fans don't tend to be super realistic about these things.

    This. In life I’ve learned that it is better to be optimistic. When it comes to prospects not so much. The simple math of it is very few end up with a major league career even when you are considering good prospects like EmRod. I’m not sure anyone including really smart FO types can predict with accuracy what will happen with many prospects. But every great player was a prospect at some point so being good or lucky on those guesses is pretty much the crux of the issue. 




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