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The Twins look to have more major league ready starters than major league quality relievers. I wonder if damage is done by having them relieve at the major league level rather than start in AAA. Quite a while ago many pitchers started as relievers and moved to a starter. I looked to the all star rosters from the last two years to see if any of those starters spent time in the bullpen earlier in their career.

Chris Sale pitched his first two seasons as a reliever. Lugo was a reliever for the Mets. Bubic pitcher from relief last year after returning from injury. Crochet began his career as a reliever. Rasmussen was a reliever. Peralta pitched from the pen. Glasnow was put in the pen by the Pirates after struggling as a starter. Lopez had 4 seasons in relief before returning to a starter in 2024, Ranger Suarez began as a reliever. Ragans was a reliever with the Rangers the season he was traded to the Royals. Holmes was a reliever from 2018-2024 prior to his successful season as a starter this year. Houck was a reliever in 2022 and an all star starter in 2024. I will acknowledge that some of these pitchers changed teams before changing roles. It could be it was their first organization that had their minds fixed on that relief role. 

I am not convinced we are harming careers by having potential young starters pitch from the bullpen. Some of these pitchers even transitioned from reliever to starter midseason. I would start the 2026 season with the 12 best arms even if it means putting a pitcher capable of starting in the bullpen. I don’t believe pitching from a major league bullpen is going to stop these pitchers from being a starter in the future. The only thing that would stop that from happening is if the Twins management gets fixated on their role and not open to moving them to a starter when an opportunity arises.
 

Tagging @Riverbrian here because he often challenges us (myself included) on keeping an open mind and not be so fixated on roles. Maybe this is not what he envisions though.

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We know a number of things about the 2026 pitching staff: 1) The 13 that start the season will not be the 13 that finish it. 2) There will be injuries and at least one pitcher will be lost for the season by May 1. 3) Guys who are being counted on will not meet expectations and 4) guys that aren't even on the horizon will get their chance with the Twins.

With all of the uncertainty in the Twins' pitching staff, it seems prudent to get as many good arms as possible and sort out the roles, which might take much more than spring training. A couple of starters could end up in the 'pen--I've seen it suggested for Bradley, Abel, Festa and Prielipp to name a few. I would surmise that the Twins will keep a couple of potential starters in St. Paul to start the season and wait on converting many guys until there is a better idea of who is going to be effective.

On the three guys listed in the OP, Festa has injury concerns plus a noted inability to go deep into games. He might be the best candidate to move to the bullpen of guys who have been starters. I think Ohl is pretty much a one-trick pony--his change-up is pretty nasty, but he doesn't have much else. Adams may also benefit by converting to a shorter relief role. It is possible that his stuff will play up in shorter stints. 

The Twins need to hit on a pretty high number of question marks to have a representative bullpen and they still probably need to bring in a couple of experienced guys from outside the organization.

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12 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

The Twins look to have more major league ready starters than major league quality relievers. I wonder if damage is done by having them relieve at the major league level rather than start in AAA. Quite a while ago many pitchers started as relievers and moved to a starter. I looked to the all star rosters from the last two years to see if any of those starters spent time in the bullpen earlier in their career.

Chris Sale pitched his first two seasons as a reliever. Lugo was a reliever for the Mets. Bubic pitcher from relief last year after returning from injury. Crochet began his career as a reliever. Rasmussen was a reliever. Peralta pitched from the pen. Glasnow was put in the pen by the Pirates after struggling as a starter. Lopez had 4 seasons in relief before returning to a starter in 2024, Ranger Suarez began as a reliever. Ragans was a reliever with the Rangers the season he was traded to the Royals. Holmes was a reliever from 2018-2024 prior to his successful season as a starter this year. Houck was a reliever in 2022 and an all star starter in 2024. I will acknowledge that some of these pitchers changed teams before changing roles. It could be it was their first organization that had their minds fixed on that relief role. 

I am not convinced we are harming careers by having potential young starters pitch from the bullpen. Some of these pitchers even transitioned from reliever to starter midseason. I would start the 2026 season with the 12 best arms even if it means putting a pitcher capable of starting in the bullpen. I don’t believe pitching from a major league bullpen is going to stop these pitchers from being a starter in the future. The only thing that would stop that from happening is if the Twins management gets fixated on their role and not open to moving them to a starter when an opportunity arises.
 

Tagging @Riverbrian here because he often challenges us (myself included) on keeping an open mind and not be so fixated on roles. Maybe this is not what he envisions though.

It's exactly what I hope for.

Just roster your best players and give more work to the best of your best. 

Anything that stops you from doing that is a self imposed handicap. 

Defined roles with self imposed limitations are handicaps that can stop you from rostering your best players. It's a mistake to just shop the reliever aisle because you are looking for specific roles. It's a mistake to just shop the starter aisle when looking for a rotation specific role. You just look for the best arms period. It's a mistake to look for a crappy 1B to play a specific role. Roster your best players please. Looking for specific roles is how you choose Celestino over what had to be better players at the time. There had to be better players but Celestino could fill that one role and he ends up playing more than he should when you consider his overall talent and performance. It's how you choose Margot looking for that right handed OF role. 

The Twins need to stop trying to piece this thing together and make a full on blitz to find and develop TALENT period.  

To your point... The bullpen can be a great way to manage innings on young arms if necessary. 

You've done a great job of listing players who have transitioned... there are more. Can you hang a zero and how many can you hang. 

The next step is for others to stop thinking that the players you list are oddities or special.

They are not. 

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10 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

The Twins look to have more major league ready starters than major league quality relievers. I wonder if damage is done by having them relieve at the major league level rather than start in AAA. Quite a while ago many pitchers started as relievers and moved to a starter. I looked to the all star rosters from the last two years to see if any of those starters spent time in the bullpen earlier in their career.

Chris Sale pitched his first two seasons as a reliever. Lugo was a reliever for the Mets. Bubic pitcher from relief last year after returning from injury. Crochet began his career as a reliever. Rasmussen was a reliever. Peralta pitched from the pen. Glasnow was put in the pen by the Pirates after struggling as a starter. Lopez had 4 seasons in relief before returning to a starter in 2024, Ranger Suarez began as a reliever. Ragans was a reliever with the Rangers the season he was traded to the Royals. Holmes was a reliever from 2018-2024 prior to his successful season as a starter this year. Houck was a reliever in 2022 and an all star starter in 2024. I will acknowledge that some of these pitchers changed teams before changing roles. It could be it was their first organization that had their minds fixed on that relief role. 


 

Tagging @Riverbrian here because he often challenges us (myself included) on keeping an open mind and not be so fixated on roles. Maybe this is not what he envisions though.

Of all those pitchers you mentioned (11) 8 of them were in the majors at age 22 or before, 3 of them were in the majors at age 24 (Ragans, Rasmussen, Houck).  I am not seeing any Twins pitching prospects that are 22 or younger close to the majors. I see many more twins pitching prospects in the second group, which isn't a bad group to be in, just need to temper expectations on them a bit. 

I also believe that starting guys in the pen isn't a bad thing (Johan Santana, F-Bomb, both 21), but if it takes them to age 25 to get to the majors be it injury or just figuring it out, it is less likely them become anything but a bullpen pitcher or an Ober type pitcher at best (Again not a bad thing) 

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2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Of all those pitchers you mentioned (11) 8 of them were in the majors at age 22 or before, 3 of them were in the majors at age 24 (Ragans, Rasmussen, Houck).  I am not seeing any Twins pitching prospects that are 22 or younger close to the majors. I see many more twins pitching prospects in the second group, which isn't a bad group to be in, just need to temper expectations on them a bit. 

I also believe that starting guys in the pen isn't a bad thing (Johan Santana, F-Bomb, both 21), but if it takes them to age 25 to get to the majors be it injury or just figuring it out, it is less likely them become anything but a bullpen pitcher or an Ober type pitcher at best (Again not a bad thing) 

Good point. Younger debut age correlates to pitchers that land in all star games so maybe more correlation than causation. In any case Bradley, SWR, Festa, Matthews and Raya already have or can debut in the majors in that 22-24 range. That leaves Prielipp who is in that 25 due to injury group. His fit is Ragans. I don’t think relieving this year will keep him from being a starter in the future. 

It is those 6 starters that I have in mind. They all can’t join Ryan, Lopez and Ober. I think the best route is to keep all 9. If all 9 are among the best 12 then I want to roster them all.

I should note that they need to make the top 12 and not 13. That 13th spot should be shuttled between slightly older prospects that have options. Pitchers like Adams, Ohl and Laweryson would fit if they aren’t in the top 12. Sands and Jax were in that role and pitched their way into a permanent spot. They can do the same.

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On 10/13/2025 at 10:34 PM, TNtwins85 said:

He had the command though right out of the gate. That matters. Stuff helps but after watching Deja vu of Duran in Philly walking batters like he did with the Twins and Abner Uribe doing the same and Roki Sasaki tonight with all the stuff and losing command. Also Griffin Jax had 3 incredible pitches but would struggle with command. Stuff and velocity doesn’t guarantee success. The Twins bullpen the last few years should have been a shutdown bullpen. It wasn’t. Go watch all the walk off games in Cleveland the last 2 years. Laweryson can get guys out. So can Adams. 

Adams had a 7.00+ ERA and Lawyerson is a 27 year old Quad A player.  But I hope you're right and they become Aguilera and Nathan.

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1 hour ago, Nshore said:

Adams had a 7.00+ ERA and Lawyerson is a 27 year old Quad A player.  But I hope you're right and they become Aguilera and Nathan.

Nobody said they would be Aguilera and Nathan. Adams’ velocity improved when he became strictly a short stint BP guy which plays up and he’s got an assortment of pitches to go to. No he’s not Duran but neither was Duran. Laweryson had good command. Threw strikes and got some good outs for only being in the majors for a few appearances. Duran was a failed starter with terrible command. Constantly injured. Jax was one of the worst starters in Twins history, had a -1 WAR and a 6 something ERA his first year. low velocity and iffy secondary stuff, Brock Stewart was a 30 something injury plagued scrap heap guy, Varland was a failed starter who couldn’t finish guys as a 15th round draft pick out of a tiny Minnesota college. Point is you never know where the next dominant BP arm will come from and if they show any promise they could be something. Especially when they can throw strikes and spot pitches. The eye test is superior to stats when it comes to spotting relievers. ERA is irrelevant as a few bad games blows it for the year. Nathan and Aguilera weren’t world beaters either unless you’re counting saves which is as good as errors as far as counting stats. As far as Lawerysons age, if he pitches good for a season or two what does that matter?

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As of now, there’s plenty of room on the 2026 Twins staff, especially the bullpen. I don’t think anyone that debuted this year this year should be ruled out, even if they struggled, but OTOH none of the new guys proved they are a major league pitcher. I like the idea of going with all of the best arms and sorting out roles, but there may be some need to tinker with a small number of guys at AAA.

With so many question marks, it is very predictable that there will be a lot of turnover in the coming season and that just about every viable arm will get a shot. 

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