Rumors Twins could cut deal with first pick to save money later in the draft!

[Brodin4Calder]

Rumors persist that Minnesota could cut a deal with Washington high school catcher Reese McGuire and spend heavily further down in the draft.

 

I would be very upset if the Twins did this. They need to grab a top of the roto arm. For to long the Twins have waited til later rounds to draft pitchers and it hasnt worked so why would it work now. The last decent pitcher they drafted in the first round was Garza in the 20s I think. I cant even remember the last time the Twins took a top arm in the top 5.

 

Appel and Gray will be gone by the time the Twins are up so we know they arent gonna get either of them. If Bryant is available I say the Twins take him because he has too much potential to pass on. If they are all 3 gone the Twins have to take Manaea or Stewart. Manaea has had troubles but we all saw what he is capable of and with better coaching and training he could be more consistent. I think they should grab Stewart, he has the same upside as Appel and Gray but will take a little longer to develop because hes still in HS. The Twins have to grab a top arm if they dont get get Bryant.

[greengoblinrulz]

Cant remember??? Last year!!!

[Brodin4Calder]

Cant remember??? Last year!!!

 

I was trying to say I couldnt remeber the last time they did, my b

[greengoblinrulz]

Ryan Mills & Adam Johnson were both college arms drafted very high that flopped badly

[IdahoPilgrim]

Do you have a source for the rumor?

[joeboo_22]

Its been rumored, I don't put a ton of weight in it though. The Twins either need to take the best arm available or the best player available. Cutting deals is only when your system in general is down, which it really isn't. The Twins need 1 or 2 more top prospects not 5-6 organizational mid level prospects which is what you would be saying by saving your money for lower rounds.

[PseudoSABR]

BA's Jim Callis mentioned it, and it will always be rumored that mid market teams like the Astros, Pirates and Twins are supposedly cutting deals to save money, because that's an easy-won narrative that seems sensible on first (and only) blush.

[jokin]

BA's Jim Callis mentioned it, and it will always be rumored that mid market teams like the Astros, Pirates and Twins are supposedly cutting deals to save money, because that's an easy-won narrative that seems sensible on first (and only) blush.

 

Anything to avoid the logjam of Boras clients at the top of the draft. Nice.

[Badsmerf]

I don't believe it. The Twins drafts the last few years have been extremely good. I see them staying true to the philosophy they've had recently and that is targeting top end talent.

[Thrylos]

I would have zero problems if the Twins picked anyone of Reese McGuire, Jon Denney and Nick Ciuffo with that first round pick. Getting a star catcher is much more difficult than getting a star pitcher and if they think they got one, they should go for it, and if they can save some $ in the process to sign a hard to sign high school kid in the later rounds, more power to them. Do the math: How many star catchers there are in the majors vs star pitchers.

[Badsmerf]

I would have zero problems if the Twins picked anyone of Reese McGuire, Jon Denney and Nick Ciuffo with that first round pick. Getting a star catcher is much more difficult than getting a star pitcher and if they think they got one, they should go for it, and if they can save some $ in the process to sign a hard to sign high school kid in the later rounds, more power to them. Do the math: How many star catchers there are in the majors vs star pitchers.

Star catchers can't win games by themselves. The Twins have a HOF catcher right now and have barely managed to win a single playoff game in 5 series.

[Mike Sixel]

Looked like you added three extra words to your thread title........pick the best player, you don't know if anyone worth signing will be there later.

[cmathewson]

I'm pretty sure the CBA slotting system prevents this. Sorry, bad rumor. Move along. Nothing to see.

[Badsmerf]

Why did you change the tittle of this thread??

[Thrylos]

I'm pretty sure the CBA slotting system prevents this. Sorry, bad rumor. Move along. Nothing to see.

 

Nah. It will be doing what the Astros did last season

[Thrylos]

Star catchers can't win games by themselves. The Twins have a HOF catcher right now and have barely managed to win a single playoff game in 5 series.

 

Of course. Agreed. You need lots of pieces to win games and titles (and a manager and coaches with winning attitudes and skills to manage them - which I think has been the biggest issue of the Twins in the postseason.)

 

Yes you need a lot of pieces to win. A star catcher will not win (many) games all by himself. My point is that a star catcher is a harder piece to find than a star pitcher. Shorter supply.

[Jeremy Nygaard]

I chatted last night with someone who is directly involved and asked him specifically about this rumor.

 

Paraphrased, he said that cutting a deal with a player wouldn't be something they approach until the days leading up to the draft. Part of that, I would surmise, has to do with there being a month of information still to gather. The other part has to do with player leverage.

 

This much I know, McGuire is the top catcher on the Twins board, so seeing his name tied to the rumor isn't a surprise, especially if they want to consider cutting a deal later.

[Mike Sixel]

Need 5 pitchers, and they impact every single game. The delta between 2-3 very good pitchers and none, is bigger than the delta between a very good catcher and a mediocre catcher.

[Brodin4Calder]

Ryan Mills & Adam Johnson were both college arms drafted very high that flopped badly

 

Its sad to see so many MN Twins fans talking like you. Im not trying to be a dick im just saying the Twins horrible thinking has gotten to the fans. Yes theres alot of busts in every draft but the reward is so great when you take that risk, and theres never a for sure thing. The Twins need a potential ace and have the 4th overall pick with a couple potential aces out there. Do you think the Tigers thought Verlander could be a bust? Yes. Do you think the Dodgers thought Kershaw could be a bust? Yes. But they took the chance and were rewarded. Any player at any level could be a bust. But they could also be the next Verlander.

[Brodin4Calder]

Why did you change the tittle of this thread??

 

I didnt change the name. I screwed up when I wrote it. It should say- Rumors Twins could cut deal with first pick to save money for later in the draft!

[kab21]

Do the math: How many star catchers there are in the majors vs star pitchers.

 

HS catchers are incredibly risky. I have reservations about taking a HS catcher unless that player is a stud like Mauer was.

[Brodin4Calder]

Star catchers can't win games by themselves. The Twins have a HOF catcher right now and have barely managed to win a single playoff game in 5 series.

 

Exactly, I think if you have a good defensive catcher that is cheap and spend money on other positions. I think Mauer is extremely overpaid, look at Posey he just got less money than Mauer and he actualy gets alot of HRs and RBIs aswell as AVG. If Mauer batted .340+ 90RBI and a high OBP each year he might be worth the money but he doesnt.

[kab21]

Exactly, I think if you have a good defensive catcher that is cheap and spend money on other positions. I think Mauer is extremely overpaid, look at Posey he just got less money than Mauer and he actualy gets alot of HRs and RBIs aswell as AVG. If Mauer batted .340+ 90RBI and a high OBP each year he might be worth the money but he doesnt.

 

He's actually pretty close to those numbers unless he's injured.

 

Star catchers can't win games by themselves.

 

Individual hitters can't win games by themselves.

[Brodin4Calder]

Individual hitters can't win games by themselves.

 

Yea they can. If you have a high producing player that gets 100+ RBIs a year like Miggy or Fielder its not to rare that they get a 3RBI+ day and win the game. Mauer doesnt do that, hes just not worth the money hes getting unless hes playing like his MVP season.

[gunnarthor]

I want the Twins to stick to BPA but as long as they spend all of their draft budget, I won't kick and scream too much. A little, maybe, but not too much.

[Seth Stohs]

I actually really liked what the Astros did last year. They took a very high upside middle infielder maybe 2-4 spots early (still a top 5-6 pick), got him for a very fair deal, then they were able to get McCullers and Ruiz later because they were going to be tough signs. That played out perfectly for them, but as mww wrote, you don't know that it's going to play out like that either.

 

The Twins aren't afraid to spend. They showed that last year. They'll be smart, but they'll feel convicted that the guy they take is the right guy to attempt to develop!

[gunnarthor]

I actually really liked what the Astros did last year. They took a very high upside middle infielder maybe 2-4 spots early (still a top 5-6 pick), got him for a very fair deal, then they were able to get McCullers and Ruiz later because they were going to be tough signs. That played out perfectly for them, but as mww wrote, you don't know that it's going to play out like that either.

 

The Twins aren't afraid to spend. They showed that last year. They'll be smart, but they'll feel convicted that the guy they take is the right guy to attempt to develop!

 

Would you rather have Buxton and Berrios or Correa and McCullers?

[nicksaviking]

There hasn't been an above average HS catcher drafted since Mauer in 2001 and Brian McCann in 2002. The best HS catcher drafted in the first round since that time is Jarred Saltalamacchia in 2003. And the catchers in this class aren't getting nearly the hype of the previously highly hyped backstops.

 

HS catchers have such a high bust rate, likely because they have so much to learn about defense and calling games that thier offensive development takes a back seat. Besides, the difference between a top five cather in the league and a leage average catcher is less than the difference between other positions. Plenty of teams win a World Series with a non-descript catcher. Few win without top of the rotation arms.

 

Even if a pitcher is not an option, you need to take the best offensive player regardless of position, and it wouldn't be a catcher.

[cmb0252]

While i prefer to use the number 4 pick on the highest upside player there at 4, it wouldn't be a tragedy if they went this way. I'm not a big fan of McGuire but it sounds like a lot of teams see him as a top 10 pick. They have real scouts while I have the inter web. If the Twins see him as a top 10 talent who will also take under slot then go for it as long as you use your extra money wisely.

[Brodin4Calder]

This draft has 3 guys ahead of the rest. Its all about Appel, Gray and Bryant. If one of those 3 is available the Twins have to take one of them. If they arent than its up in the air. I have 2 guys I wouldnt mind seeing picked in Manaea and Stewart. Both have red flags. People think Stewart may never become a 200IP guy because he has had a few minor injuries. Manaea was looking like the 1st overall pick for awhile but has since stated pitching worse. It could be because of an injury but IDK. He has ace stuff, maybe better coaching and training could help him?