Twins 4, Orioles 3: Late Rally Leads to Second Straight Walkoff Win for the Twins

[chpettit19]

3 hours ago, bighat said:

Good for Miranda, a win's a win.

But am I the only one who's not impressed? The Twins have averaged 1.5 runs per game against one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball for 99% of this series. Jorge Lopez is in the midst of a rough patch and the Twins are just taking advantage of his collapse. Seriously, where's the hitting? Not scoring any runs with men on 2nd and 3rd with nobody out? Buxton and Correa failing to just hit a ground ball to the right side or a lazy sac fly? Strikeouts, weak contact, and bat ABs all day long. And it's not like the Twins were scoring double-digits the whole time in Cleveland, either.

It's great to see these 9th inning wins, but the vast majority of this series has been borderline unwatchable. This team's offense is just so inconsistent as evidence by leading the league in being shut out.

I think you're selling the Orioles staff, and Jorge Lopez's performance for the season, short. They're not world beaters, but they're not the same Orioles pitching that we've seen the last handful of years. They've had the 11th best ERA in baseball since June 1. 15th best since May 1. So, again, not world beaters, but you're not talking about the 25th-30th worst staff either.

And before Friday's game Jorge Lopez hadn't given up an earned run since May 19th. If that's "the midst of a rough patch" sign me up for a Twins bullpen rough patch! Before that he hadn't given up an earned run since April 13th. He'd given up 3 earned runs all season before Friday. He wasn't in the midst of anything but complete domination before Friday. His previous appearance was 1 inning with 3 Ks. 2 appearances before that was .2 innings with 2 Ks. 2 appearances before that was 1.1 innings 4 Ks. He's been unbelievable. He had a .78 ERA and hadn't allowed a homerun in 37 innings pitched this year before Buxton got him. It feels unnecessarily negative to spin this as him going through a rough patch and not giving the Twins credit when he'd given up fewer runs in 37 innings pitched this year than he did in .1 innings pitched against the Twins.

[puckstopper1]

Cotton should be in the top 3 WPA.  He kept the Twins in the game.

Gray didn't struggle because Johnson left but because Sanchez was catching him.  According to the radio broadcast this is the first time all season as apparently they did not do well together in New York. ?

[IndianaTwin]

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

I think you're selling the Orioles staff, and Jorge Lopez's performance for the season, short. They're not world beaters, but they're not the same Orioles pitching that we've seen the last handful of years. They've had the 11th best ERA in baseball since June 1. 15th best since May 1. So, again, not world beaters, but you're not talking about the 25th-30th worst staff either.

And before Friday's game Jorge Lopez hadn't given up an earned run since May 19th. If that's "the midst of a rough patch" sign me up for a Twins bullpen rough patch! Before that he hadn't given up an earned run since April 13th. He'd given up 3 earned runs all season before Friday. He wasn't in the midst of anything but complete domination before Friday. His previous appearance was 1 inning with 3 Ks. 2 appearances before that was .2 innings with 2 Ks. 2 appearances before that was 1.1 innings 4 Ks. He's been unbelievable. He had a .78 ERA and hadn't allowed a homerun in 37 innings pitched this year before Buxton got him. It feels unnecessarily negative to spin this as him going through a rough patch and not giving the Twins credit when he'd given up fewer runs in 37 innings pitched this year than he did in .1 innings pitched against the Twins.

Or to say it this way, the Twins ARE Lopez’s rough patch. 

[Aerodeliria]

16 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

That's Fixable

 

 

LOL! The Twins need to do the opposite whenever it comes to bullpen decisions.

[Sherry Cerny]

On 7/2/2022 at 8:19 PM, dxpavelka said:

C'mon. We're not really blaming whether Gray was sharp or not sharp today on who the pitching coach was.  Are we?  We're smarter than that.  He's a grown man.

I know. it was just hard to make that difinitive statement. I, like you, can assume and probably do believe it was because of Johnson's departure.

[Sherry Cerny]

On 7/3/2022 at 1:15 PM, puckstopper1 said:

Cotton should be in the top 3 WPA.  He kept the Twins in the game.

Gray didn't struggle because Johnson left but because Sanchez was catching him.  According to the radio broadcast this is the first time all season as apparently they did not do well together in New York. ?

yes. They barely played a handful of games in New York a lifetime ago. I know it's more than likely hard to move on in such a rooted sport, but I am hoping these two can get over their differences. I agree it was more of Sanchez than Johnson, but again, I couldn't definitively say, so I stayed safe with my assumptions. 

[dxpavelka]

6 hours ago, Sherry Cerny said:

I know. it was just hard to make that difinitive statement. I, like you, can assume and probably do believe it was because of Johnson's departure.

I actually don't think it had anything to do with Johnson's departure.  Staff ERA since Johnson's departure is 2.19.  I don't think that has anything to do with Johnson's departure either.