Game thread twins @ reds ox 6:10pm cdt 8/25/2021ad

[h2oface]

13 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I'm not saying that, only that cursing Rocco for making the logical call and watching a reliever vomit all over the mound AGAIN isn't really his fault.

Especially considering the tools with which he's been given to work this season. He literally can't make a "right" decision because the entire bullpen spends pre-game bathing in gasoline. (now that is funny!)

It is just kind of ironic, I think, that Baldelli with leave Barnes and Jax in to get pulverized for 109 and 92 pitches, and way past the 3rd time in the order, but will pull Ober with only 81 pitches and throwing a shutout and cruising. That, to me, is a bit inconsistent and baffling. 

[RpR]

Gordon looked like a rookie on that play.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, h2oface said:

It is just kind of ironic, I think, that Baldelli with leave Barnes and Jax in to get pulverized for 109 and 92 pitches, and way past the 3rd time in the order, but will pull Ober with only 81 pitches and throwing a shutout and cruising. That, to me, is a bit inconsistent and baffling. 

It's predetermined because Ober hasn't pitched since 2019 and never pitched more than 80 innings in a season. By comparison, Jax pitched nearly 130 IP in 2019 and Barnes pitched just over 130 and neither have the significant injury history of Ober.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, RpR said:

Gordon looked like a rookie on that play.

Not only a rookie but a rookie playing out of position, which he is.

[RickOShea]

Rocco and his GD moving players around.  Rarely, puts the right guy in vital positions.  Meanwhile Buxton is wherever, eating jelly beans and folding his underwear.  Just because Baldelli played a variety of positions, doesn't mean that's what everyone else should do.  Maybe he played multi positions, because he was krap, defensively.  I'm convinced 2019 and mini 2020 was Baldelli being at the right place at the right time.  This year, while being a challenge,  Baldelli has shown his shortcomings.

[h2oface]

3 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

It's predetermined because Ober hasn't pitched since 2019 and never pitched more than 80 innings in a season. By comparison, Jax pitched nearly 130 IP in 2019 and Barnes pitched just over 130 and neither have the significant injury history of Ober.

Yup. I know why they  are doing it. That is the current thinking, for sure. I can't believe Jack Morris' (and those from the 4 man rotations) arm(s) never fell off.

[Danchat]

8 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

12% still seems really generous, but I suppose that's an average. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, h2oface said:

Yup. I know why they  are doing it. Theat is the current thinking, for sure. I can't believe Jack Morris' (and those from the 4 man rotations) arm(s) never fell off.

They didn't have to wind up and try to throw 95mph every pitch because the eighth man in the order drops 24 bombs a year. Completely different sport, almost. It was more fun to watch, IMO, but the competition level wasn't close to what it is today.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, Danchat said:

12% still seems really generous, but I suppose that's an average. 

I literally had the exact same thought. I was NOT expecting to see a one before that two.

[RickOShea]

Gordon's nickname is Johnny Bravo.  The uniform fits, so he plays wherever.

[RpR]

Thielbar knew that one was a strike, he walked before the ump moved his hand.

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, RickOShea said:

Rocco and his GD moving players around.  Rarely, puts the right guy in vital positions.  Meanwhile Buxton is wherever, eating jelly beans and folding his underwear.  Just because Baldelli played a variety of positions, doesn't mean that's what everyone else should do.  Maybe he played multi positions, because he was krap, defensively.  I'm convinced 2019 and mini 2020 was Baldelli being at the right place at the right time.  This year, while being a challenge,  Baldelli has shown his shortcomings.

I'm sorry but this is wildly incorrect.

1. Baldelli doesn't get to decide when Buxton is put on his roster

2. Baldelli played the overwhelming majority of his career in centerfield and then a few games in rightfield

[h2oface]

1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

They didn't have to wind up and try to throw 95mph every pitch because the eighth man in the order drops 24 bombs a year. Completely different sport, almost. It was more fun to watch, IMO, but the competition level wasn't close to what it is today.

I don't agree, totally....  but that is OK. I was around to see it. And we are still going to start Albers..... in this day and age. The 1965 year was some pretty damn awesome competition, for example.

[RpR]

2 minutes ago, RickOShea said:

Gordon's nickname is Johnny Bravo.  The uniform fits, so he plays wherever.

LOL, I have come to like Gordon but right now, he is a nowhere man; I would like to see him steal bases when he is on but that has not happened much.

[Danchat]

2 minutes ago, RickOShea said:

Gordon's nickname is Johnny Bravo.  The uniform fits, so he plays wherever.

I'm not sure what you meant by that, but I did a quick google search and found this:

[Brock Beauchamp]

5 minutes ago, h2oface said:

I don't agree, totally....  but that is OK. I was around to see it. And we are still going to start Albers..... in this day and age. The 1965 year was some pretty damn awesome competition, for example.

I was also around to see pretty much all of Morris' career. The reality is that Jack threw under 90mph for most of his career and the bottom of orders were filled with slap-hitting .650 OPS middle infielders. It's just what baseball was at the time. Pitchers didn't throw as hard because they didn't have to, which allowed them to go longer in games. I'm sure Morris could have been a 93-94mph six inning guy but that wasn't the game at the time.

[h2oface]

6 minutes ago, RickOShea said:

Gordon's nickname is Johnny Bravo.  The uniform fits, so he plays wherever.

I thought it was G Cinco!
 

 

[ashbury]

Whew, JD Martinez makes every routine fly ball an adventure in LF.

[h2oface]

4 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I was also around to see pretty much all of Morris' career. The reality is that Jack threw under 90mph for most of his career and the bottom of orders were filled with slap-hitting .650 OPS middle infielders. It's just what baseball was at the time. Pitcher didn't throw as hard because they didn't have to. I'm sure Morris could have been a 93-94mph six inning guy but that wasn't the game at the time.

Just one example. It is OK. We can agree to disagree on the competion level. I don't know what year the radar was brought to the game, but we really don't know how fast those guys were throwing for all those years before it was. One can speculate, but we will never know. And we have a slap hitter batting clean up, now!

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, h2oface said:

Just one example. It is OK. We can agree to disagree on the competion level. I don't know what year the radar was brought to the game, but we really don't know how fast those guys were throwing for all those years before it was. One can speculate, but we will never know.

But we can look at their physical build, their height, and their tendency to chain-smoke in the dugout and come to the rather obvious conclusion they weren't Jacob deGrom.

I mean, every Olympics it feels like half the world records drop to faster, better athletes. There are entire billion dollar industries dedicated to athlete health and wellness. Why are people so reluctant to admit that their favorite 6'1" pitcher from 1982 just wasn't as good of an athlete as the equivalent guy in 2021?

[RickOShea]

5 minutes ago, h2oface said:

Just one example. It is OK. We can agree to disagree on the competion level. I don't know what year the radar was brought to the game, but we really don't know how fast those guys were throwing for all those years before it was. One can speculate, but we will never know.

Note: The radar gun readings have changed in baseball.  The speed was measured from the release point of the pitcher, and the speed was also measured when the pitch crossed the plate.

[RickOShea]

3 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

But we can look at their physical build, their height, and their tendency to chain-smoke in the dugout and come to the rather obvious conclusion they weren't Jacob deGrom.

I mean, every Olympics it feels like half the world records drop to faster, better athletes. There are entire billion dollar industries dedicated to athlete health and wellness. Why are people so reluctant to admit that their favorite 6'1" pitcher from 1982 just wasn't as good of an athlete as the equivalent guy in 2021?

I sometimes fall into that mode of thought.  But, I realized the difference for many is that some are better baseball players, than  athletes (using strength, speed, power, etc as the measuring criteria.

[ashbury]

I hope Kyle Schwarber has at least enough professional pride to be a little hurt to be told, "no, have a seat and relax, we're DH'ing you tonight, in order to get a better glove out there in left field. JD Martinez."

[RpR]

Then why do pitchers now need more than three days rest?

Even if they did not throw as fast, pitchers then would go a LOT more innings and be back on the mound with often very little time off.

Now bp pitchers need time off after very little time on the mound

[Brock Beauchamp]

This team sure is special some times.

[ashbury]

Oof, my fault for making fun of the other team's defense.

Cue the circus music - our clown show has begun.

[RpR]

That play is why Polanco should not ever be at Short Stop.

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, RickOShea said:

I sometimes fall into that mode of thought.  But, I realized the difference for many is that some are better baseball players, than  athletes (using strength, speed, power, etc as the measuring criteria.

Oh sure, but when it comes to velocity, strength and leverage are literally what makes a baseball fly faster. It's simply physics. Control, command, hand-eye coordination, etc... those are all outside the typical strength/speed aspects of athleticism.

[RpR]

I think a fat lady is warming up her vocal cords.

Good , she sat down .

[RickOShea]

Time for Colome to strap on the old supporter.