Game Recap: Twins 7, Yankees 5

[joefish]

We had some first pitch swinging yesterday. I like the aggression. Sano didn't wait to fall behind. 

[Dodecahedron]

The best thing about this is the Yankees players were probably incredibly angry after this loss.

The Twins need to embrace making the Yankees angry and do it as often as possible.

[Grasslander]

Recall the data that helped influence Twins' strategy earlier in the Yankee series. Inexperienced Jax came in to pitch a critical situation. Some felt it was an okay managerial move considering the fact that it's likely Chapman would have come in and mopped up if the Twins kept it close. It's impossible to predict what happened to Twins hitters in the 9th inning last night. That sort of thing is rare and exciting, to be sure, but because we're talking about human beings anything is always possible. If Chapman is in complete command, he dominates. Or he can only throw fastballs and leave them flat and fat.  This could have happened in the previous game -- knocking the crap out of Chapman in the bottom of the 9th. But we'll never know.  

 

 

 

[prouster]

12 minutes ago, Grasslander said:

Recall the data that helped influence Twins' strategy earlier in the Yankee series. Inexperienced Jax came in to pitch a critical situation. Some felt it was an okay managerial move considering the fact that it's likely Chapman would have come in and mopped up if the Twins kept it close. It's impossible to predict what happened to Twins hitters in the 9th inning last night. That sort of thing is rare and exciting, to be sure, but because we're talking about human beings anything is always possible. If Chapman is in complete command, he dominates. Or he can only throw fastballs and leave them flat and fat.  This could have happened in the previous game -- knocking the crap out of Chapman in the bottom of the 9th. But we'll never know.  

 

 

 

You’re technically right, but I don’t mind them playing the probabilities. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

What a lightening strike comeback!

[Otto von Ballpark]

5 hours ago, Nine of twelve said:

WP and PB are scored as such only if a runner advances as a result of the play. It didn't show up in the box score I saw but I'm pretty sure this type of play is scored as a caught stealing.

It is scored as a fielder’s choice, actually, not a caught stealing (unless the runner was attempting to advance before the ball got away from the catcher). You are correct that no WP or PB is scored.

[Otto von Ballpark]

2 hours ago, Grasslander said:

Recall the data that helped influence Twins' strategy earlier in the Yankee series. Inexperienced Jax came in to pitch a critical situation. Some felt it was an okay managerial move considering the fact that it's likely Chapman would have come in and mopped up if the Twins kept it close. It's impossible to predict what happened to Twins hitters in the 9th inning last night. That sort of thing is rare and exciting, to be sure, but because we're talking about human beings anything is always possible. If Chapman is in complete command, he dominates. Or he can only throw fastballs and leave them flat and fat.  This could have happened in the previous game -- knocking the crap out of Chapman in the bottom of the 9th. But we'll never know.  

That was me.

Wasn’t just because of Chapman though — our 6-7-8 hitters were due up in the 9th in the Jax game, not 1-2-3 like last night. Also, we had already used 4 relievers in the Jax game, including Rogers and Farrell, two of our best at the moment. Even if you manage to come back from down 2 and force a tie, you have less bullpen ammunition if it goes to extras.

And it cuts both ways — last night, Robles retired Judge, Torres, and Stanton (2-3-4) in the top of the 9th just before our comeback against Chapman. If you use Robles in the earlier game, that could have impacted his availability or effectiveness last night (Yankees hadn’t seen him yet this year).

[Nine of twelve]

1 hour ago, spycake said:

It is scored as a fielder’s choice, actually, not a caught stealing (unless the runner was attempting to advance before the ball got away from the catcher). You are correct that no WP or PB is scored.

It was NOT a fielder's choice, because there was no other runner on whom a play could have been made. If a runner attempts to advance a base without the ball being put in play by the batter it is an attempted steal no matter when he attempts to advance.

[Otto von Ballpark]

4 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said:

It was NOT a fielder's choice, because there was no other runner on whom a play could have been made. If a runner attempts to advance a base without the ball being put in play by the batter it is an attempted steal no matter when he attempts to advance.

I appreciate that fielder’s choice may not be the technical term to apply, but this play was not scored as a caught stealing at MLB.com or Baseball Reference or anywhere else I can find. B-R says “Baserunner Out Advancing”.

[Nine of twelve]

2 minutes ago, spycake said:

I appreciate that fielder’s choice may not be the technical term to apply, but this play was not scored as a caught stealing at MLB.com or Baseball Reference or anywhere else I can find. B-R says “Baserunner Out Advancing”.

You may be correct. I know that pickoffs are counted as caught stealing so I assumed that if the runner is trying to advance that the same thing applies.

[Nine of twelve]

Stew Thornley, are you there? We need your ruling.

[Otto von Ballpark]

5 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said:

You may be correct. I know that pickoffs are counted as caught stealing so I assumed that if the runner is trying to advance that the same thing applies.

I think I found the relevant scoring rule (this same file was at MLB.com too but the link wasn't working):

https://foulballz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/10_the_official_scorer.pdf

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Rule 10.07(h) Comment: In those instances where a pitched ball eludes the catcher and the runner is put out trying to advance, the official scorer shall not charge any “caught stealing.” ... The official scorer shall not charge a runner with a caught stealing if such runner would not have been credited with a stolen base had such runner been safe (for example, when a catcher throws the runner out after such runner tries to advance after a ball that had eluded the catcher on a pitch).

 

Regarding "fielder's choice", the summary I saw omitted some important context (emphasis mine):

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Rule 10.13 Comment: The official scorer shall not charge a wild pitch or passed ball if the defensive team makes an out before any runners advance. For example, if a pitch touches the ground and eludes the catcher with a runner on first base, but the catcher recovers the ball and throws to second base in time to retire the runner, the official scorer shall not charge the pitcher with a wild pitch. The official scorer shall credit the advancement of any other runner on the play as a fielder’s choice.

 

[Nine of twelve]

1 minute ago, spycake said:

I think I found the relevant scoring rule (this same file was at MLB.com too but the link wasn't working):

https://foulballz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/10_the_official_scorer.pdf

 

Regarding "fielder's choice", the summary I saw omitted some important context (emphasis mine):

 

Interesting. Seems like one of those quirks where a new term needs to be defined to clarify the play.

[Otto von Ballpark]

21 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said:

Interesting. Seems like one of those quirks where a new term needs to be defined to clarify the play.

I guess “Baserunner Out Advancing” is basically the same as a runner getting thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double?

[VivaBomboRivera!]

1 hour ago, Nine of twelve said:

Interesting. Seems like one of those quirks where a new term needs to be defined to clarify the play.

See?  I told you it was odd.