Dozier vs. Rosario

[mnfanforlife]

Again, as always, I agree with Seth. A very good year for him would be AA for the last couple months of the season, followed by at least a month or two in AAA in 2014.....but that is the upside if the path I believe. I think a September call up in 2014 is likelyish....with 2015 as the timeframe he is your regular second baseman.

 

Yep, in the original post....I disclaimed that we wont see Eddie this year....But I still think it would be fun!

[Nick Nelson]

A lot of you folks are going to be very disappointed when Rosario struggles a bit in Ft. Myers. The FSL is a tough league for a young and inexperienced kid whose plate discipline isn’t great. I’d be surprised if he sees New Britain this year. If not, it certainly wouldn’t mean that he’s off track or failing as a prospect. I’m just shocked at the expectations being put forth. He’s played less than 100 games above rookie ball! I know this is kind of a “just-for-fun” thread but someone needs to inject a bit of reality into these starry-eyed predictions of greatness.

[mnfanforlife]

A lot of you folks are going to be very disappointed when Rosario struggles a bit in Ft. Myers. The FSL is a tough league for a young and inexperienced kid whose plate discipline isn’t great. I’d be surprised if he sees New Britain this year. If not, it certainly wouldn’t mean that he’s off track or failing as a prospect. I’m just shocked at the expectations being put forth. He’s played less than 100 games above rookie ball! I know this is kind of a “just-for-fun” thread but someone needs to inject a bit of reality into these starry-eyed predictions of greatness.

 

Well, maybe. I am well aware what the FSL does to many a hitter's statistics. So a dip in production would not surprise me. Why are you so worried about people being disappointed? Is it your duty to protect Twins fans from being disappointed? If so, that's cool. I guess?

 

 

I am sorry if you're shocked at the "expectations being put forth"...but what exact expectations are you referring to?

 

And yes, this is completely "just for fun"....not just "kind of" for fun. So try to enjoy the differences of opinion rather than trying to get everyone to think just like you. I appreciate your level-headedness, and I thank you for your response in advance.

[TheLeviathan]

This has gotta be a bit.

[Gene Larkin Fan Club]

mnfanforlife, I hope you don't take my disagreeing with your opinion as an attack that requires a brusque response. None of my posts were meant to cause you to become angry, upset or annoyed. I actually really appreciate your generating a fun discussion. I'm just having trouble understanding your logic. I get that the Twins have holes at the Major League level, but don't agree that they should fast-track someone based on need with the big club. If that player proves to be ready, then by all means, move him! Otherwise, I guess I'd rather use a more conservative approach to ensure proper development. I think we all hope that Rosario's skills catch up with his talent and I'd love for that to happen sooner rather than later. Time will tell.

 

Thanks for helping me get fired up for the season!

[mnfanforlife]

Time will tell.

 

My thoughts exactly.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I'm beginning to think we need to resurrect the BYTO downs forum.

[bird]

no need to get defensive, mnfanife. I think most commenters have been rather carefu not to trash you. We like your optimism! But you might want to take note that an overwhelming number of us believe you to be wildly optimistic about Rosario, and people have supported their views quite well, don't you think?

 

But here's some further reason for optimism: Mackey interviewed Terry Ryan thyis afternoon. Ryan said he though the (main) reason Rosario wasn't a top 100 guy was because he only had about 50 AB's last year, so he didn't have "the numbers". He then talked about Rosario's transition, how he's had some time with Carew this spring, and how the field staff already considers his 2B play to be "serviceable". Ryan certainly left the impression that he's likely to stay at 2B, which would be huge.

[Seth Stohs]

But here's some further reason for optimism: Mackey interviewed Terry Ryan thyis afternoon. Ryan said he though the (main) reason Rosario wasn't a top 100 guy was because he only had about 50 AB's last year, so he didn't have "the numbers". He then talked about Rosario's transition, how he's had some time with Carew this spring, and how the field staff already considers his 2B play to be "serviceable". Ryan certainly left the impression that he's likely to stay at 2B, which would be huge.

 

That's not quite what he said... He pointed out that Rosario missed more than a month (about 6 weeks) of last season so his season-ending numbers don't compare to some of the guys ahead of him. Part of it is his move to 2B, but Ryan said that he's made great strides with the glove and they are optimistic.

[mnfanforlife]

We all know Rosario wont have a shot at MLB until 2014 at the earliest. In fact, I predicted this about Eddie last November:

 

4. Eddie Rosario - will play an entire season in Ft. Myers (A+) with his buddy Sano while they both learn how to play defense.. Will hit enough for fans to scream for his call-up in September. But that wont happen. He will start 2014 in AA and 2015 in AAA if the front office has its way. His Miracle numbers I project: .285-.310 avg (tough league for hitters), 10-15 HR's, 70-85 RBI's, 10-20 SB's....solid player.

 

Again, I was well aware Rosario would not be playing in MN this year. Have been for quite some time. Thank you all for posting.

[mnfanforlife]

See the full article: How fast can any of these "top" prospects move up to Minny?? - Blogs - Minnesota Twins News & Rumors Forum

[kab21]

We all know Rosario wont have a shot at MLB until 2014 at the earliest. In fact, I predicted this about Eddie last November:

 

4. Eddie Rosario - will play an entire season in Ft. Myers (A+) with his buddy Sano while they both learn how to play defense.. Will hit enough for fans to scream for his call-up in September. But that wont happen. He will start 2014 in AA and 2015 in AAA if the front office has its way. His Miracle numbers I project: .285-.310 avg (tough league for hitters), 10-15 HR's, 70-85 RBI's, 10-20 SB's....solid player.

 

Again, I was well aware Rosario would not be playing in MN this year. Have been for quite some time. Thank you all for posting.

 

It's strange that seem to be aware of this yet think that he could handle the MLB offensively this year.

Who would you rather see open the 2013 season at 2-bag, Brian Dozier or Ed Rosario?

 

Eddie is better than Dozier offensively, right now. I think, since the big club is gonna suck this year, that Rosario will get at least 2 years of defensive work in the minor leagues.

 

In my opinion, Carrol is a bench guy, and Florimon and Escobar are AAA material. Eddie is MLB material. Dozier might be, but he sure didn't look like it during his extended playing time with MN last year.

 

Obviously we won't see Eddie next year in Minnesota. But it sure would be more fun than seeing these other posers.

 

If you continue to post nonsense you should expect to be called on it. Rosario would get absolutely destroyed against MLB pitching right now. Not even his bat is ready. It would be absolutely depressing to watch Rosario in the MLB this year.

[TheLeviathan]

If you continue to post nonsense you should expect to be called on it. Rosario would get absolutely destroyed against MLB pitching right now. Not even his bat is ready. It would be absolutely depressing to watch Rosario in the MLB this year.

 

I'm incredibly curious if there is a meaningful difference between this and "makes no sense". But yeah, what kab said.

 

I'm really hoping we see Rosario advance quickly.....through our minor league system where he belongs. He's one of the guys I'm most excited about long-term for this team.

[mnfanforlife]

If you continue to post nonsense you should expect to be called on it. Rosario would get absolutely destroyed against MLB pitching right now. Not even his bat is ready. It would be absolutely depressing to watch Rosario in the MLB this year.

 

I stand by my comments you re-posted. I respect your opinion. I also agree completely with TheLeviathan's opinion. Thank you for posting.

[Don't Feed the Greed Guy]

The last time a Twins Second Baseman jumped all the way from Single A to the Big Show? 1967, when an obscure fellow named Rodney Cline Carew debuted with parent club and played 134 games at 2b. We all know how much of a disaster that was (All Star & Rookie of the Year). Eddie Rosario wouldn't have a chance...

Rod Carew Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

[mnfanforlife]

I really like Eddie. I wont stop you from dreaming big on him...could be a very special MLB player by 2014.

[glunn]

I'm incredibly curious if there is a meaningful difference between this and "makes no sense".

 

I think that "nonsense" may be slightly more insulting than "makes no sense", but neither phraseology contributes to respectful debate. A preferred response would be "makes no sense to me because..." If we argue with logic instead of insults, then TD will have more "meat" and less gristle.

[bird]

That's not quite what he said... He pointed out that Rosario missed more than a month (about 6 weeks) of last season so his season-ending numbers don't compare to some of the guys ahead of him. Part of it is his move to 2B, but Ryan said that he's made great strides with the glove and they are optimistic.

I believe what I wrote is accurate, Seth. Ryan specifically mentioned the number of ABs as a factor in why Rosario didn't receive more top prospect consideration, and he used the word "serviceable" to describe Rosario's 2B play. I'm not sure how your version differs from mine, other than you've stated it better, without all the misspellings.

[nicksaviking]

Not even his bat is ready. It would be absolutely depressing to watch Rosario in the MLB this year.

 

He's not ready, but playing devils advocate: Florimon is supposedly ready (hey take it up with Ryan and Gardy, not my call!). Say he struggles and they send him down, but Danny Santana has already gotten a promotion to Rochester so they move Florimon to New Britain. Let's also say at that time Rosario also gets bumped to New Britain. Which of those two hits better in AA? I don't think it's close, Rosario would put up much stronger numbers. I doubt Rosario's bat is as Florimon-like as you might think.

 

To be clear, he's not ready, but considering what this team has expected from it's middle infielders over most of the last two decades, he's not nearly as far away as some people on this board seem to think.

[drjim]

The last time a Twins Second Baseman jumped all the way from Single A to the Big Show? 1967' date=' when an obscure fellow named Rodney Cline Carew debuted with parent club and played 134 games at 2b. We all know how much of a disaster that was (All Star & Rookie of the Year). Eddie Rosario wouldn't have a chance...

Rod Carew Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

 

So now we are comparing Rosario to one of the best pure hitters who ever lived while simultaneously not allowing for any differences in baseball in the past 45 years?

[drjim]

We all know Rosario wont have a shot at MLB until 2014 at the earliest. In fact, I predicted this about Eddie last November:

 

4. Eddie Rosario - will play an entire season in Ft. Myers (A+) with his buddy Sano while they both learn how to play defense.. Will hit enough for fans to scream for his call-up in September. But that wont happen. He will start 2014 in AA and 2015 in AAA if the front office has its way. His Miracle numbers I project: .285-.310 avg (tough league for hitters), 10-15 HR's, 70-85 RBI's, 10-20 SB's....solid player.

 

Again, I was well aware Rosario would not be playing in MN this year. Have been for quite some time. Thank you all for posting.

 

I predict some clamoring to move Rosario to AA quicker than the Twins will move him but I would hope no one confuses success in Hi A with the potential to jump right to the majors.

[DaveW]

So now we are comparing Rosario to one of the best pure hitters who ever lived while simultaneously not allowing for any differences in baseball in the past 45 years?

At this point it's not even worth arguing with people who think he could "hack it" this year in the MLB.

 

It was eight! At bats.

[snepp]

It was eight! At bats.

 

Yeah, but they were eight awesome at-bats.

[twinsnorth49]

The last time a Twins Second Baseman jumped all the way from Single A to the Big Show? 1967' date=' when an obscure fellow named Rodney Cline Carew debuted with parent club and played 134 games at 2b. We all know how much of a disaster that was (All Star & Rookie of the Year). Eddie Rosario wouldn't have a chance...

Rod Carew Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

 

So now we are comparing Rosario to one of the best pure hitters who ever lived while simultaneously not allowing for any differences in baseball in the past 45 years?

 

We've officially jumped the shark.

[FrodaddyG]

So now we are comparing Rosario to one of the best pure hitters who ever lived while simultaneously not allowing for any differences in baseball in the past 45 years?

Don't forget he's also been comped to Hank Aaron. So basically, Rosario can be the new all-time home run king while also winning numerous batting titles.

[mnfanforlife]

funny stuff