Baltimore Sun's Connelly Thinks Saunders Isn't Winding Up In Minnesota

[johnnydakota]

Yes, I think the Twins more than anything, as far as pitching goes, need an ace and continuing to have "5 spots locked" just gives them cause not to splurg on a big time pitcher. Ideally some of the $25M from the TV deal would be used to try to snag a good SP but I'm not even sure who will be on the market at that point.

 

50% = 12.5 million, not getting much more next year then a saunder for that kind of money

[ThePuck]

True, but if I do the math right they are well below the $106M they for this year that would make the 50% mark of revenue. So, we really don't know if or when they'll really stick to that number.

 

 

Yes, and that's why some are having a hard time with the Twins pinching pennies...and why adding 7M a year for the next 3 years doesn't seem like an issue considering where we sit now payroll wise and where we'll be sitting in 2 years after this year payroll-wise.

[ThePuck]

2/14 isn't too rich but 3/24 is too rich, IMO. I don't think a guy like Saunders is worth three years unless it's a very good price, though in 3 years $8m might be a steal for any warm body that can toss a ball.

 

a guy who gives you 180+ innings with an ERA+ at or above 100 is a valuable pitcher.

[Top Gun]

If they don't spend the 50% then they should give it to the fans and not pocket it.

[mcrow]

50% = 12.5 million, not getting much more next year then a saunder for that kind of money

 

Yup, it's not that huge of a bump considering that the FA Market is probably going to be inflated by the influx of cash around the league.

 

Either way if the prices is right Saunders could be a good pick up but I'd be pretty cautious about giving 3 years to him.

[Mike Sixel]

Why would they only spend half of the new money? What costs are going up to eat the other half?

[johnnydakota]

If they chose to stay at 80M in the future, that will be a self-imposed hamstringing of payroll...and likely wouldn't be in keeping with their supposed 50-52% rule they've told us for so long, which wouldn't be keeping their word when they talked about why the stadium was needed in the first place.

 

And that is a new thing? Not keeping there word. Just look at this off season , i think you can find several things that were said or promised that have not been true.

[Winston Smith]

They have a state of the art money making stadium and have for the past 2 years given us one of the worst teams in baseball to watch. Spending another 15-20m has to make the team better on the field. If TR can't find the players to make us better with that kind of money in hand he needs to find another job.

 

Next year the payroll will likely be down around 70m, very sad.

 

We as fans deserve better!!

[johnnydakota]

Sorry, new to the forums and I didn't know there's been a ton of talk about that already. I just point it out because people seem to assume that the payroll will go up be we have little evidence of that being a sure thing.

 

Yup , in fact i think most believe it will continue to shrink ....

[mcrow]

Why would they only spend half of the new money? What costs are going up to eat the other half?

 

Sounds like it's just an extra $25M in revenue so unless they've made some special promise to spend more than 50% that's all they said they will spend. They have said for quite a while now that they will spend 50% of revenue.

 

 

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to turn this thread into arguement about the payroll/spending but I'm affraid the damage is done.

[johnnydakota]

Why would they only spend half of the new money? What costs are going up to eat the other half?

 

Well i heard to rent a brinks truck is going to cost more ....

[snepp]

2/14 isn't too rich but 3/24 is too rich, IMO. I don't think a guy like Saunders is worth three years unless it's a very good price, though in 3 years $8m might be a steal for any warm body that can toss a ball.

 

I agree, I don't think many would be too in favor of a 3rd year for Saunders, unless it was some kind of team option.

[snepp]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to turn this thread into arguement about the payroll/spending but I'm affraid the damage is done.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about that, given the regularity that they occur it was bound to happen sometime today anyway.

[ThePuck]

Sounds like it's just an extra $25M in revenue so unless they've made some special promise to spend more than 50% that's all they said they will spend. They have said for quite a while now that they will spend 50% of revenue.

 

 

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to turn this thread into arguement about the payroll/spending but I'm affraid the damage is done.

 

Jim Pohlad also said in rebuilding years, that percentage will drop...which tells me rebuilding years is good for the 'ole pocketbook...

[snepp]

Why would they only spend half of the new money? What costs are going up to eat the other half?

 

Well, there's.....and then of course we have.....not to mention that......

 

 

Well what do you know, I can't come up with a single one.

[Top Gun]

Let's just take our stadium back.

[johnnydakota]

Let's just take our stadium back.

 

Sue on breach of contract?

[Top Gun]

Some farmer may want to plant corn there!

[Top Gun]

I will buy a ticket, watching corn grow will be more exciting than watching the Twins play anyways. Is Saunders any good at hoe in corn?

[RIP BYTO]

At this point I don't see the value in having to commit to Saunders for multiple years. Very mediocre starter over 30 so offering multiple years for a rebuilding team would seem like a bad idea. Maybe you give him 2 years if the price is right but that's it.

 

Mediocre starter over 30?.... That's right in the Twins wheelhouse!

[twinsnorth49]

Yes, I think the Twins more than anything, as far as pitching goes, need an ace and continuing to have "5 spots locked" just gives them cause not to splurg on a big time pitcher. Ideally some of the $25M from the TV deal would be used to try to snag a good SP but I'm not even sure who will be on the market at that point.

 

There is no chance the Twins are going to use any money to sign an "Ace" pitcher anytime in the near future. Not only is Ryan on record as saying he won't overpay for pitching, he is also very adverse to giving long-term deals, something that is a pre-requisite in getting an "ace". Agree or disagree with the strategy but don't expect any extra revenue for payroll to change that strategy.

[old nurse]

If you use Saunders numbers for last year and Thyrlos' magic formulas (The tenth inning stretch) you could predict Saunders to be a third starter quality pitcher. 2/15 for a third starter is not bad.

[Riverbrian]

Sign him... I reallly don't care how many arms we have... The quality angle can't be played at this point... The Quantity angle is the only chance for decent pitching and I think it could... could... could work.

 

Sign more don't put the pen down.

[jokin]

Well, I guess we'll see if the Twins really will be sticking to the 50% of revenue or not next year because if they're looking at having ~$240m in revenue next year with the new TV Deal then they sure as hell better be over $100M in payroll. I have my doubts on that point.

 

If you've read the tea leaves that the Twins have been scattering about for two years now, they have a (not-so)-secret protocol in place for 2014, it's code-named "the 25% of payroll rule" ie $240M/4 = $60M

[jokin]

There is no chance the Twins are going to use any money to sign an "Ace" pitcher anytime in the near future. Not only is Ryan on record as saying he won't overpay for pitching, he is also very adverse to giving long-term deals, something that is a pre-requisite in getting an "ace". Agree or disagree with the strategy but don't expect any extra revenue for payroll to change that strategy.

 

If we raid and hire personnel of the caliber of the Rays braintrust, I'm all-in on this strategy, but unfortunately, we don't.

[jokin]

If you use Saunders numbers for last year and Thyrlos' magic formulas (The tenth inning stretch) you could predict Saunders to be a third starter quality pitcher. 2/15 for a third starter is not bad.

 

Yes, you could predict that oly,.....But then again, Thrylos's formula inexplicably predicted that Cole DeVries is the Twins third hidden major impact starting pitcher behind only Gibson and Meyer. If their numbers are supposedly "similar", why not just pay DeVries the minimum?

[DaveW]

Saunders at 2/15 wouldn't be bad, however it does look worse with Correia also getting 2 years. I'd prefer as much payroll free for 2013. Give him a one year deal, its not like he is suddenly going to turn into an ace and command 20 mil a year next year, if you like what he is doing for the club then try to extend him mid season ala Doumit.

[ashbury]

Isnt Drew Butrea on the 40 man roster?

Isnt he just a waste of space?

Who would claim him?

 

I counted 22 pitchers on the 40-man, to cover 12 likely openings on the major league staff. That leaves 18 position players to cover the other 13 roster spots. To add a Saunders, I don't see dropping a hitter, even if (like you) I'm willing to joke about the concept of having the name "Butera" mentioned in the same paragraph with "hitter".

[Kwak]

I counted 22 pitchers on the 40-man, to cover 12 likely openings on the major league staff. That leaves 18 position players to cover the other 13 roster spots. To add a Saunders, I don't see dropping a hitter, even if (like you) I'm willing to joke about the concept of having the name "Butera" mentioned in the same paragraph with "hitter".

 

I'm confident that there is a pitcher on the 40-man roster who can be removed to sign Saunders and not weaken the franchise.

[ashbury]

I'm confident that there is a pitcher on the 40-man roster who can be removed to sign Saunders and not weaken the franchise.

 

I'm not so sure. Considering how some of these guys were acquired by the Twins when someone else waived them, the odds would seem high that they would be snapped up by the same process. Can't take the risk - pass on Saunders.