Chance Twins open season with 75/80m payroll??

[Guest USAFChief]

 

The state of Minnesota could be handing the Twins $100m a year and they still couldn't compete with the revenue flow of the Dodgers and Yankees.

 

Well if they were ​given $100m a year, they could only put $50m of that toward payroll, right?

[johnnydakota]

Most of us agree...but think instead they should sign one of these expensive guys who should be good for 3 to 5 years.

 

with 30 million to spend we could get both Sanchez and Jackson,and still have money for a cheap outfielder

[old nurse]

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The state of Minnesota could be handing the Twins $100m a year and they still couldn't compete with the revenue flow of the Dodgers and Yankees. That's not trickery, that's plain ol' reality. Target Field certainly helps but it's not going to turn the Twins into a financial powerhouse. Minnesota is still a mid-sized population with mid-sized revenue streams through television and radio.

 

Cable and dish usage in the Twin Cities is one of the lowest in the nation. Their TV revenue almost makes them aa small market team

[Kwak]

Grienke was always signing with the Dodgers--they were just hammering out the last details. That $280MM/year revenue stream pretty much ensures they get anybody they want--for awhile.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

The state of Minnesota could be handing the Twins $100m a year and they still couldn't compete with the revenue flow of the Dodgers and Yankees.

 

Well if they were ​given $100m a year, they could only put $50m of that toward payroll, right?

 

I really hate payroll arguments. The only point I care to make is that the Twins are not one of the premiere revenue franchises. That's just how it is. Complaining that they're not competing with New York, Boston, Dallas, Los Angeles, etc. is just whining. The Dodgers just handed Greinke an absurd contract. They can do that because they can afford to eat $25m a year in a $200m payroll. The Twins simply can't take that risk.

[Top Gun]

Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said Monday that the club could explore a contract extension with left-hander Clayton Kershaw in the coming weeks.

 

Colletti was asked the question at the press conference for left-hander Hyun-Jin Ryu. Kershaw is owed $11 million next season and remains under team control through 2014, so there's not a huge sense of urgency to get a deal done right away, but Zack Greinke's six-year, $147 million contract would likely function as the benchmark for any talks. He could top $200 million when it's all said and done.

 

Source: Dylan Hernandez on Twitter

[Top Gun]

The Twins simply can't take a risk, but the taxpayers can.

[Top Gun]

Why is Greinke, Sanchez or Jackson a risk?

[Top Gun]

If the Twins can't afford to keep payroll near 100M there is only going to be bad times for the Twins.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Why is Greinke, Sanchez or Jackson a risk?

 

Greinke signed for $25m for six years. How is that not a risk? The Twins can't afford to have two non-productive players eating up $50m of roster space from 2015-2018, which is where they may be if they signed Greinke.

 

However, there's no excuse not to sign a guy like Jackson for 3-4 years and $45-60m. The deal is short enough to not completely hamstring the team if something goes wrong.

[Top Gun]

Greinke would have put Twins close to 100M thats all and got the pitcher most needed. I'm sure is if the Twins got hamstrung in a few years they could trade Grienke for Profar or some real prospects like the Rays did with Shields. You need something valuable to work with.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Greinke would have put Twins close to 100M thats all and got the pitcher most needed. I'm sure is if the Twins got hamstrung in a few years they could trade Grienke for Profar or some real prospects like the Rays did with Shields. You need something valuable to work with.

 

Let's say Greinke turns into a lemon three years into the contract. You now have a declining Mauer and a worthless Greinke eating $50m. What do you do in that situation?

 

(answer: lose a lot of games)

[Einstein]

Greinke would have put Twins close to 100M thats all and got the pitcher most needed. I'm sure is if the Twins got hamstrung in a few years they could trade Grienke for Profar or some real prospects like the Rays did with Shields. You need something valuable to work with.

 

Let's say Greinke turns into a lemon three years into the contract. You now have a declining Mauer and a worthless Greinke eating $50m. What do you do intl that situation?

 

(answer: lose a lot of games)

What make you think he's going to turn into a lemon?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Every pitcher has a large chance of turning into a lemon.

 

When it comes to a pitcher, if you can't absorb 100% of the contract with zero production in return, don't sign the contract. It's too dangerous. Pitchers are far too volatile. Doing crap like that is a good way to guarantee an underperforming team for a half decade or better.

[Top Gun]

Even a sucker will buy a lemon for a prospect, and what if he won 20 games and wins CY? Mauer will always hit, h o f so people will always come to see him play.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Even a sucker will buy a lemon for a prospect, and what if he won 20 games and wins CY? Mauer will always hit, h o f so people will always come to see him play.

 

Tell that to the Giants, who couldn't give Barry Zito away. If a player is bad enough, you can't give him away, much less get a prospect in return. Best case scenario is that you get lucky and find someone insane enough to take a bad player on waivers, like the Sox did with Rios.

[Top Gun]

6 years for a 30 year old is not that long, a ace. Doubtful Twins will contend without one in 6 years. Better to take a risk than sit on your hands and hope for Liriano.

[Brock Beauchamp]

6 years for a 30 year old is not that long, a ace. Doubtful Twins will contend without one in 6 years. Better to take a risk than sit on your hands and hope for Liriano.

 

A six year contract is a very long time for ANY pitcher. A better course of action is to spend less per player and pick up two pitchers for a shorter term. That way you're not worried about paying $25m to a 35 year old Greinke, who isn't that freakin good in the first place. Again, he's a good pitcher. He's not a great one. And you don't pay $25m to that kind of guy (and let's remember that the Dodgers won Greinke at $25m per, that means the Twins would have to offer $26-27m per year to get him).

[Top Gun]

CC & Doc were risks that turned out good. Zito contract was bad, but he has been improving alot eats innnings and gave the rest of there staff to shine.

[Brock Beauchamp]

CC & Doc were risks that turned out good. Zito contract was bad, but he has been improving alot eats innnings and gave the rest of there staff to shine.

 

Halladay was pretty bad last year, only pitched 150 innings, and it was only the third year of his deal.

 

CC Sabathia is inhuman. He's one of those extremely rare arms that could pitch 300 innings a season for two decades.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Also note that those two guys went to the #1 and #2 payrolls in baseball when they signed.

[twinsnorth49]

6 years for a 30 year old is not that long, a ace. Doubtful Twins will contend without one in 6 years. Better to take a risk than sit on your hands and hope for Liriano.

 

Again, he's a good pitcher. He's not a great one. And you don't pay $25m to that kind of guy

 

This, just this.......again.

[Top Gun]

It takes money to make money and that is why they win.

[The Greatest Poster Alive]

6 years for a 30 year old is not that long, a ace. Doubtful Twins will contend without one in 6 years. Better to take a risk than sit on your hands and hope for Liriano.

 

A six year contract is a very long time for ANY pitcher. A better course of action is to spend less per player and pick up two pitchers for a shorter term. That way you're not worried about paying $25m to a 35 year old Greinke, who isn't that freakin good in the first place. Again, he's a good pitcher. He's not a great one. And you don't pay $25m to that kind of guy (and let's remember that the Dodgers won Greinke at $25m per, that means the Twins would have to offer $26-27m per year to get him).

 

I agree. If the Twins were an ace away from a serious playoff run... it's a risk i'd love to see the Twins take once... but you don't sign the giant free agent pitcher before you build a contender... otherwise you waste what will almost always be the most productive years (years 1 and 2) building a team around him.

[edavis0308]

Have no fear everyone! MLBTR reporting we are close to a two year deal with Kevin Crappiea!

[Top Gun]

ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Twins are close to a two-year deal with Kevin Correia.

 

 

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Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitter

[Top Gun]

ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Twins have agreed to a two-year, $10 million deal with Kevin Correia.

 

The 32-year-old right-hander posted an underwhelming 4.21 ERA and 1.30 WHIP in 171 innings this past summer for the Pirates but should get a nice boost in fantasy value with the move to the more pitcher-friendly confines of Target Field. Correia also drew serious free agent interest this offseason from the Rockies, Orioles, Brewers, Royals and at least one team from Japan.

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Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitte

[Shane Wahl]

Well that likely settles it. 75-80 million it is. Kevin Correia is a bad pitcher. He is Nick Blackburn pre-2012, but could clearly turn into Blackburn 2012 in 2013. The K rate fell of a cliff. He's a 5th starter and likely will bring the same value Deduno, DeVries, or Hendriks would for 10 times the cost.

[greengoblinrulz]

Give or take.....current 25 man payroll is 75million.

Again, Im not a payroll guy....but how its spent..... 10.5m (14%) bein spent on Kevin Correia/Nick Blackburn for one terrible 5th starter.

One starter to go???

[howeda7]

At this point, we won't go over $80 million on pitching. I'd like to see an upgrade at 2B as well. One spot for Florimon, Dozier and Escobar to fight over is enough. Let's get a veteran for the other. (I prefer Carroll as the utility guy.)