Josh Hader's Tweets

[Mike Sixel]

 

I don't know what the alternative is. Part of the issue is the prevalence of toxicity in the social media platforms regardless of the mob. I don't know if there is a fix for that.

I think the mob with Hader was appropriately restrained, but I guess your question leads me to another. What is it we want to accomplish?

For those that offend, if we deem a mob necessary, what should happen to them? It seems contrition is insufficient.

I guess for me, Part of the problem with endorsing the mob is that mobs rarely share common goals for outcomes other than the worst we can imagine.

 

For me, contrition is good enough for words.....mostly. Mostly. Kind of depends on the words....

[TheLeviathan]

 

For me, contrition is good enough for words.....mostly. Mostly. Kind of depends on the words....

 

I'd like to see them act on their words too.  Saying them alone probably isn't enough in most cases, but I absolutely want to give them the chance to redeem themselves and contribute to good in the world.

 

I'm not sure many of the mob members would agree with us, however.

[TheLeviathan]

If the NYT wasn't already an organization worth commending, they got a little closer this last week.  

 

I'm happy to see push-back, we've allowed the mob too much reign already.  It's sad it took left-wing people being destroyed to see the problem, but I'll take it.

[ashbury]

If the NYT wasn't already an organization worth commending, they got a little closer this last week.  

 

I'm happy to see push-back, we've allowed the mob too much reign already.  It's sad it took left-wing people being destroyed to see the problem, but I'll take it.

I hope the Times stands behind one of their employees who is found to have tweeted white-supremicist garbage in the past.

 

Oh wait, they won't because they don't hire anyone like that. I think that's where the sense of bias comes from.

[TheLeviathan]

 

I hope the Times stands behind one of their employees who is found to have tweeted white-supremicist garbage in the past.

 

Oh wait, they won't because they don't hire anyone like that. I think that's where the sense of bias comes from.

 

What do you mean by what I bolded?

 

My point was more that I'm glad someone told the mob to go ***** itself.  If the bar for being fired is "having said something stupid that might have offended someone" we're all due for unemployment.

[ashbury]

What do you mean by what I bolded?

I'm not sure how many different ways it could be interpreted so I will grope for a clearer explanation, but I may not be recognizing the ambiguity you did.

 

Since Sarah Jeong is a "lead writer on technology" according to her wiki page, I suppose her tweets don't have much bearing on her fitness to do her job. Still, the Times is viewed by many as having a left-leaning bias, and hiring her doesn't serve to dispel that notion very much.

 

Mind, their reputed lean is about the same direction as for me, so I don't object overly.

 

You can look at any given employee anywhere, and guess (for amusement, and usually wrongly, but still with some cause) what sorts of embarrassing revelation might come out about past indiscretions. Throwing an object at the police at a political rally, foolish romantic relationships, dumb tweets, all that. My guess, only a guess, is that if you walked through the Times offices, rarely would you look at an employee and guess "white-supremicist tweets" as a plausible skeleton in the closet. The Times isn't alone in the profile of its editorial contributors, of course.

 

Did I address anything you were wondering about?

[TheLeviathan]

 

 

Since Sarah Jeong is a "lead writer on technology" according to her wiki page, I suppose her tweets don't have much bearing on her fitness to do her job. Still, the Times is viewed by many as having a left-leaning bias, and hiring her doesn't serve to dispel that notion very much.

 

This is what I thought you meant, but there was enough room for interpretation that I wanted to check.  Certainly, media in general is less favorable to what is now considered Republican or right-wing.  In part I chalk that up to most national media isn't centered in red country or populated by people who have that lived experience.  In part it's also due to how far right Republicanism has moved of the ledge of sanity.

 

I would note, though, that I'm not sure the right needs a legitimate reason for crying about bias.  Even if, in this case, it probably is a legitimate beef.  

 

I'm not shocked that most of this mob mentality is about "Get their guys" and less about anything of actual value.  Again, the mob is rarely all that well-intentioned and never stays that way.  For those applauding the mob take-downs on right-wingers or other awful people, they'd be wise to heed the advice in that column.  

[drivlikejehu]

The members of these "mobs" are motivated by a need to feel morally righteous. The cause could really be anything . . . the same types of people that form "anti-racist" mobs would, in another time and place, be the first ones lining up to go after minorities. That's just the way it is.

[KirbyDome89]

 

If the NYT wasn't already an organization worth commending, they got a little closer this last week.  

 

I'm happy to see push-back, we've allowed the mob too much reign already.  It's sad it took left-wing people being destroyed to see the problem, but I'll take it.

While I agree with the pushback against the mob here, I'm not convinced it's the motivating factor behind the decision. 

[TheLeviathan]

 

While I agree with the pushback against the mob here, I'm not convinced it's the motivating factor behind the decision. 

 

I'm a hopeless optimist....what can I say?

[KirbyDome89]

 

I'm a hopeless optimist....what can I say?

More power to ya. Sometimes I think it'd be easier if I had the same outlook. 

 

My 2 cents:

 

I can't lie, the vigilante in me would love to see Jeong get the same treatment she reveled in others receiving. If I advocated for that, it'd be extremely hypocritical on my part. I can take solace in mainstream media finally taking some kind of stand against the mob rather than Jeong getting what she probably deserves. Maybe now is a good time for me to start believing in karma....

 

Hopefully NYT holds their stance against the mob mentality irrespective of future targets. I very seriously doubt we see the response they gave had Jeong been white, or male, or of a political affiliation not considered "their own," but if this is opens some eyes then we can take something positive from the situation. 

Being part of a mob that calls for someone else’s firing over old comments is sort of like throwing gasoline on your neighbor’s house while it burns and expecting the fire not to reach your door.

 

This line was great. I might change old to "almost any," but it's a perfect summation of what's going on. It's too bad that so many fail to see the error in these tactics until their own house is on fire.

[TheLeviathan]

That quote also jumped out to me as a great analogy.  And my line about optimism was as sarcastic as possible.

 

I'm not sure there is any reason to see anything in politics/society as anything other than a raging tire-fire of poor reasoning.  Right and left.  (Though the right has a much more aggressive blaze going across a much wider swath of their thinking)

[notoriousgod71]

Kopech is now the worst person in the history of the world.

 

Again, posts from HS.

 

In my opinion, whoever is digging up these old comments should probably pick up a new hobby.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Kopech is now the worst person in the history of the world.

 

Again, posts from HS.

 

In my opinion, whoever is digging up these old comments should probably pick up a new hobby.

 

Clearly we should merge this thread with capital punishment, save time,