DaveW: Dodgers trade for Dozier to be completed within the next 24 hours

[d-mac]

 

Corner OF that might hit 20 at best, maintain a low walk rate, and high contact rate?  I'm probably in the thanks but no thanks there. You want a bit more bat in the corner (though granted he'd probably be an above average glove).  We have that already in Rosario.

 

That's what I'm thinking too. 

[King]

 

Maybe it's not the best comp. Just what I thought of when I thought of .265/.320/.415 hitter with a strong arm. Gordon was a much better OBP guy than I remember, nor I have no idea where Verdugo rates defensively- A significant portion of Grodon's value is derived from his defense.

It ultimately depends on how much value one places on age/level. Verdugo hit 273/336/407 which on the surface looks pedestrian, but he also started the year as a 19  year old in AA. Most players his age were in extended spring training. You could likely comfortably project him better than a .265/320/415 MLB hitter as he moves forward in his career. Maybe something like .280/.340/.440, based on the advanced hit tool. That's a pretty good player, and a star if he's an above average defender.

 

Adam Eaton?

[d-mac]

 

It ultimately depends on how much value one places on age/level. Verdugo hit 273/336/407 which on the surface looks pedestrian, but he also started the year as a 19  year old in AA. Most players his age were in extended spring training. You could likely comfortably project him better than a .265/320/415 MLB hitter as he moves forward in his career. Maybe something like .280/.340/.440, based on the advanced hit tool. That's a pretty good player, and a star if he's an above average defender.

 

Adam Eaton?

 

It's a lot less valuable if he's not in CF, which is likely the case. Eaton also has way more speed than Verdugo. 

[King]

 

It's a lot less valuable if he's not in CF, which is likely the case. Eaton also has way more speed than Verdugo. 

Well yeah. No one is ever going to find a perfect comparable. I think it's fair to say we'd be looking at a player who will hit at a slightly above average rate (110-120 wRC+ range) and possibly be an average to above average defender.

 

In all likelyhood, he's not a star. But definitely a nice player/prospect to have on your team.

[King]

Sounds gross but how about Angel Pagan?

[d-mac]

 

Well yeah. No one is ever going to find a perfect comparable. I think it's fair to say we'd be looking at a player who will hit at a slightly above average rate (110-120 wRC+ range) and possibly be an average to above average defender.

 

In all likelyhood, he's not a star. But definitely a nice player/prospect to have on your team.

 

That's the absolute upside. Likelihood he's a slower version of Rosario with slightly better contact ability. Not enough to move the needle for me. 

[d-mac]

 

Sounds gross but how about Angel Pagan?

 

Probably a decent comp. Verdugo might a have better power than Pagan. But far less speed and won't play CF.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

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http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article121348823.html

 

Can't we all dream about Loria selling the Marlins?

 

Let's get this Dozier deal done! It feels close... again

[Willihammer]

IF the Twins trade Dozier to the Dodgers, then the Dodgers would have to be neck and neck with the Cubs as the early going favorite, no? Maybe even have the slight edge. I'm guessing their lineup would look something like:

 

Dozier

Seager

Turner

Gonzalez

Pederson

Puig

Grandal

Toles

 

That would be quite fearsome.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

IF the Twins trade Dozier to the Dodgers, then the Dodgers would have to be neck and neck with the Cubs as the early going favorite, no? Maybe even have the slight edge. I'm guessing their lineup would look something like:

 

Dozier

Seager

Turner

Gonzalez

Pederson

Puig

Grandal

Toles

 

That would be quite fearsome.

 

And their pitching is superior to the Cubs pitching, some would argue.

[Willihammer]

 

And their pitching is superior to the Cubs pitching, some would argue.

I'd say there's definitely more upside there, and possibly more depth. But the Cubs rotation was amazingly consistent last year. I think they only used like 6 starters all season.

[King]

 

IF the Twins trade Dozier to the Dodgers, then the Dodgers would have to be neck and neck with the Cubs as the early going favorite, no? Maybe even have the slight edge. I'm guessing their lineup would look something like:

 

Dozier

Seager

Turner

Gonzalez

Pederson

Puig

Grandal

Toles

 

That would be quite fearsome.

 

There are projected standings here:  http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

 

Dodgers/Cubs/Red Sox are all in the top tier with 93-95 wins

Giants/Indians/Nationals/Astros with ~90

 

Then a slew of teams in the 75-85 range, and the White Sox/Reds/Phillies/Brewers/Padres on the bottom of the barrel.

 

[darin617]

 

IF the Twins trade Dozier to the Dodgers, then the Dodgers would have to be neck and neck with the Cubs as the early going favorite, no? Maybe even have the slight edge. I'm guessing their lineup would look something like:

 

Dozier

Seager

Turner

Gonzalez

Pederson

Puig

Grandal

Toles

 

That would be quite fearsome.

 

That Dodger team probably not good enough to get by the Giants. 30 blown saves and Giants added a closer. Dodgers need more than Dozier to be in same group as Cubs & Giants.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

That Dodger team probably not good enough to get by the Giants. 30 blown saves and Giants added a closer. Dodgers need more than Dozier to be in same group as Cubs & Giants.

 

The Giants are aging fairly fast and don't have much of a farm system to fall back on. I think the Dodgers are there right now, with them at least.

I'd put the Nationals and Cubs at the top of the NL, with the Cubs. Giants may be right there too, but I wouldn't argue they are a class ABOVE the Dodgers.

[Willihammer]

Wow, two teams with 95 win projections.

Giants not too far back with 88 and the Rockies are a wildcard IMO. I'd probably take the over on them.

 

If I'm Friedman, I want to avoid a play-in game at all costs. Pay the Twins the 2nd-3rd pieces they want because Dozier would all but seal the deal on another division crown.

[jimmer]

 

Wow, two teams with 95 win projections.

Giants not too far back with 88 and the Rockies are a wildcard IMO. I'd probably take the over on them.

 

If I'm Friedman, I want to avoid a play-in game at all costs. Pay the Twins the 2nd-3rd pieces they want because Dozier would all but seal the deal on another division crown.

Cubs lost Fowler and Chapman is gone. Dodgers re-signed their major FAs and have Rich Hill for a full season. Their depth at starting pitching is very enviable. Their farm system has a few real quality players (like Bellinger, for example) ready to hit the Bigs.

 

Sullivan has the Dodgers and Cubs even right now.I agree with Sullivan's assessment.. Dodgers are clearly the best in the NL West, but that's not enough.. Dozier would make them better, on paper, than the Cubs.  No reason to not make the move.

[HawkeyeDodger]

 

Gordon was a stud in his prime years (2011 to 2014). Even if Verdugo turns out to be 2007/2008/2015/2016 Gordon that's a nice player to have. Like a Jason Heyward. I don't know how Verdugo projects on defense though, and minor league scouting reports on defense are always iffy.

He projects well defensively.  He's playing CF now and he may become a bit too bulky to play CF.  The million dollar question is how much power does he add as he matures.  I don't think he's 21 until May or June.

[HitInAPinch]

 

My source is saying there is lots of chatter amongst the whole front office today. De Leon and Alvarez still is what they are saying, no updates about 3rd or 4th...sorry.

Thanks for the update, D.W.

 

MLB Rumors is also reporting:  "FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweeted today that multiple teams are inquiring with the Twins on Dozier."  Which would be very cool!

 

From what I'm reading here, De Leon is ready for MLB and Alvarez may be in the ballpark. 

And, yeah, I think Falvey should be greedy and push for a 3rd and 4th.  I don't know who, but I lean towards back-filling the MiLB.

 

 

[King]

 

Cubs lost Fowler and Chapman is gone. Dodgers re-signed their major FAs and have Rich Hill for a full season. Their depth at starting pitching is very enviable. Their farm system has a few real quality players (like Bellinger, for example) ready to hit the Bigs.

 

Sullivan has the Dodgers and Cubs even right now.I agree with Sullivan's assessment.. Dodgers are clearly the best in the NL West, but that's not enough.. Dozier would make them better, on paper, than the Cubs.  No reason to not make the move.

 

They lost Chapman but replaced him with Uehara/Wade Davis, and are looking at a 1st full season from Carl Edwards Jr, Rob Zastryzny, Felix Pena. They did lose Fowler, but are now looking at a full season from Kyle Schwarber, Willson Contreras, Albert Almora..  Both teams will be really good, so it's kind of moot.

[jimmer]

 

They lost Chapman but replaced him with Uehara/Wade Davis, and are looking at a 1st full season from Carl Edwards Jr, Rob Zastryzny, Felix Pena. They did lose Fowler, but are now looking at a full season from Kyle Schwarber, Willson Contreras, Albert Almora..  Both teams will be really good, so it's kind of moot.

My point was, they look very much even.  With Dozier, I think he pushes the Dodgers over.  Games still have to be played though.

[HawkeyeDodger]

 

My point was, they look very much even.  With Dozier, I think he pushes the Dodgers over.  Games still have to be played though.

Which is better in your opinion?  Your Dodgers lineup with Dozier or if the Dodgers say heck with it and trade Ethier for Phillips and use the prospects on McCutchen instead?

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Which is better in your opinion?  Your Dodgers lineup with Dozier or if the Dodgers say heck with it and trade Ethier for Phillips and use the prospects on McCutchen instead?

 

McCutcheon would be a great get, if he reverts back to 2013 or 2014. If last year was a sign of the times, then the Dozier lineup would probably be better.

I don't know how much to trust Phillips any longer, and he is absolutely getting up there too.

[jimmer]

 

Which is better in your opinion?  Your Dodgers lineup with Dozier or if the Dodgers say heck with it and trade Ethier for Phillips and use the prospects on McCutchen instead?

I don't see that as even a remote possibility.  Why would the Reds take Either?  In any event, they would still be smarter to get Dozier.  They have a quality CF, McCutchen is more expensive than Dozier, and Phillips is bad.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

I don't see that as even a remote possibility.  Why would the Phillies take Either?  In any event, they would still be smarter to get Dozier.  They have a quality CF, McCutchen is more expensive than Dozier, and Phillips is bad.

 

I thought Brandon Phillips was still on the Reds, no?

[jimmer]

 

I thought Brandon Phillips was still on the Reds, no?

I changed it before I say this post.  I meant Red, but seeing Phillips, my mind went the Philly :-)

[HawkeyeDodger]

 

I don't see that as even a remote possibility.  Why would the Reds take Either?  In any event, they would still be smarter to get Dozier.  They have a quality CF, McCutchen is more expensive than Dozier, and Phillips is bad.

  Both are on the last year of deals.  The Reds want Peraza to take over second base and Phillips is in the way.  You're 100% right, Mccutchen would cost more, but if I'm asked to make Alvarez the second piece I would consider trading for Phillips and sticking him in the 8 hole for one year and using Alvarez as a chip to get McCutchen.. Phillips regressed defensively, but he was .290/320/.416 with 14 stolen bases.  Ethier has 10/5 rights to veto, but does he want to spend his contract year sitting on the bench.  Which would you do?

[jimmer]

 

  Both are on the last year of deals.  The Reds want Peraza to take over second base and Phillips is in the way.  You're 100% right, Mccutchen would cost more, but if I'm asked to make Alvarez the second piece I would consider trading for Phillips and sticking him in the 8 hole for one year and using Alvarez as a chip to get McCutchen.. Phillips regressed defensively, but he was .290/320/.416 with 14 stolen bases.  Ethier has 10/5 rights to veto, but does he want to spend his contract year sitting on the bench.  Which would you do?

I have no doubt the Red want Phillips gone. He stinks. He's old.  Dozier had almost as much WAR last year as Phillips has the last 3 years combined.

 

Who cares what Eithier wants?  Why would the REDS want HIM? 35 and barely played last year.

 

And who is taking on the money? Either makes bank and Phillips and McCutchen , well, they both make in one year what Dozier will make in two..

 

If I am the Dodgers, I no doubt trade for Dozier instead of Phillips and McCutchen.  Easy choice. Their farm system is loaded, can easily absorb the loss of Alvarez, and they have money to fill spots if prospects don't turn out.  

[DocBauer]

We have tons of information and speculation, and yet, we also don't have a lot of concrete information. Is it possible...I'm asking...that it's the Twins who are holding this thing up? That maybe the Dodgers are offering both JDL and Alvarez and the Twins are just asking too much for the 3rd spot?

 

Not saying they shouldn't go for the gold here! Dozier is a high quality commodity and I couldn't and wouldn't blame the Twins for going for all they can get. But lately I've been reading he's not really worth this or worth that, etc, and the Dodgers aren't offering enough. I'm just wondering if the Twins are the ones holding up the trade here.

 

Thoughts?

[mazeville]

 

We have tons of information and speculation, and yet, we also don't have a lot of concrete information. Is it possible...I'm asking...that it's the Twins who are holding this thing up? That maybe the Dodgers are offering both JDL and Alvarez and the Twins are just asking too much for the 3rd spot?

 

Not saying they shouldn't go for the gold here! Dozier is a high quality commodity and I couldn't and wouldn't blame the Twins for going for all they can get. But lately I've been reading he's not really worth this or worth that, etc, and the Dodgers aren't offering enough. I'm just wondering if the Twins are the ones holding up the trade here.

 

Thoughts?

 

I'd seriously doubt that it's the third spot holding things up. Maybe the second spot. 

 

[HawkeyeDodger]

 

I have no doubt the Red want Phillips gone. He stinks. He's old.  Dozier had almost as much WAR last year as Phillips has the last 3 years combined.

 

Who cares what Eithier wants?  Why would the REDS want HIM? 35 and barely played last year.

 

And who is taking on the money? Either makes bank and Phillips and McCutchen , well, they both make in one year what Dozier will make in two..

 

If I am the Dodgers, I no doubt trade for Dozier instead of Phillips and McCutchen.  Easy choice. Their farm system is loaded, can easily absorb the loss of Alvarez, and they have money to fill spots if prospects don't turn out.  

Cool.  Just curious what you thought.  Both Phillips and Ethier have similar money for next year and both can be thought of as in the way at the moment.  Freidman is known to be a window shopper when it comes to giving up his prospects.