Reusse: Sano has some growing up to do

DaveW · April 3, 2016

Depending upon the post he's supposedly gained somewhere between 20 and 600 pounds.

I LOLed

twinsnorth49 · April 3, 2016

Coming soon (or so we're led to believe)

ken · April 3, 2016

He said he lost 5 pounds. From 268 to 263.

http://www.foxsports.com/north/story/miguel-sano-needs-work-on-defense-but-hopes-to-make-minnesota-twins-debut-in-2015-032015

Which would be a 20lbs increase from last year.

jimmer · April 3, 2016

http://www.foxsports.com/north/story/miguel-sano-needs-work-on-defense-but-hopes-to-make-minnesota-twins-debut-in-2015-032015

Which would be a 20lbs increase from last year.

yeah, I was just answering Brock's question, nothing more.

Brock Beauchamp · April 3, 2016

http://www.foxsports.com/north/story/miguel-sano-needs-work-on-defense-but-hopes-to-make-minnesota-twins-debut-in-2015-032015
Which would be a 20lbs increase from last year.

He's 22 years old. You do realize what happens to adult males in their early 20s, right?

ken · April 4, 2016

He's 22 years old. You do realize what happens to adult males in their early 20s, right?

Not sure how many MLB player add 20 lbs during the season. But I'm sure he just growing, but we'll probably not see any of our other 20 year old players add 20 lbs this year.

Let's just hope Sano doesn't continue this growth rate in the coming year.

Major League Ready · April 4, 2016

Slamming him in the press like that was bad. Just another reason to not read much by Reusse, and I don't. But I don't think it's exactly flimsy nonsense. Not being where he said he'd be doing what he said he'd be doing is symptomatic of needing to mature, IMO. But he's 22. What 22yr old male isn't in the need of some maturity? Just like potential needs to develop, so does this, but writing this kind of a piece is pointless and doesn't and won't change anything or help. Pointless journalism. Mostly, I'm not overly concerned about it for now. It will come.

So, if 22 year olds often act immaturely, what’s the problem with pointing out that he is acting consistently with that norm?

What I find interesting is that the premise the Twins FO should do everything in their power to improve the team is pretty much universally accepted. Many individuals come on here and insist the organization should spend every last available dollar of profit and perhaps being willing to take a loss.

Then, when it is suggested a player and the team would be better off in the best physical condition possible, we have 14 pages of debate. For god sake, we are arguing if a professional athlete will perform better and be less prone to injury if he/she is in peak physical condition. This is an absurd argument.

Do you need to be in peak physical condition to hit? Probably not but I would think it would be somewhat beneficial to be as quick and strong as possible. If not, why are so many pro golfers working out so hard?
Regardless, how anyone can even attempt to make an argument that being in shape is of benefit in terms of playing a defensive position is beyond me.

I would add that Bryce Harper won the MVP at 22 and his dedication to conditioning is well documented.

If the Twins and Sano are willing to settle for him to be a DH, so be it. It is probably not all that important he get in shape. However, a 22 year old athlete with Sano’s tools being a DH is certainly not getting the most out of your players. It’s also not consistent with a player who wants to be great. Eating properly and working out is not exactly a sacrifice or hardship.

Don’t complain about what the FO is unwilling to do and then defend an athlete who fails to do what should be the minimum … show-up in shape and stay that way.

TheLeviathan · April 4, 2016

Sano's weight and the Twins should be between Sano and the Twins. Reusse accomplishes nothing with this but character assassination.

That's really all this boils down to.

Willihammer · April 4, 2016

Its not clear Sano violated any offseason agreement. The info appears to be conflicting. There was the 255 number being thrown around (I'm not sure who said it first). Terry Ryan was asked on KTWN about it at the start of spring, his answer was that Sano was heavier than expected but his body fat% was around 15% IIRC and he said that was acceptable.

TheLeviathan · April 4, 2016

Its not clear Sano violated any offseason agreement. The info appears to be conflicting. There was the 255 number being thrown around (I'm not sure who said it first). Terry Ryan was asked on KTWN about it at the start of spring, his answer was that Sano was heavier than expected but his body fat% was around 15% IIRC and he said that was acceptable.

Right, because if you judge health purely by weight you'll be lead to think The Rock is obese.

So, yeah...that's a dumb way to analyze things.

tobi0040 · April 4, 2016

^{Color me concerned about Sano's weight, at 22 or 23. LIke a guy like Prince Fielder, or his Dad Cecil, I can see him needing to switch to DH earlier than we would want, being less effective, and more injured as he ages.}

^{I hope I am wrong. Nothing to form a real solid opinion on him. I know people go with the big boned excuse with Sano, I just worry about a 28-32 year old Sano at this point.}

KGB · April 4, 2016

Its not clear Sano violated any offseason agreement. The info appears to be conflicting. There was the 255 number being thrown around (I'm not sure who said it first). Terry Ryan was asked on KTWN about it at the start of spring, his answer was that Sano was heavier than expected but his body fat% was around 15% IIRC and he said that was acceptable.

It acceptable, but probably not what you what from an athlete.

http://www.builtlean.com/2010/08/03/ideal-body-fat-percentage-chart/

Eveyone want what best of Sano and wants him to be a great player and hit 800 home runs. It's easier to carry weight when you are 22, but hard to drop it when you start approaching your 30's. He the biggest star the Twins have and reporters are going to analyize his ever move. I just can't believe people are upset with the column and trying to rationize his weight gain.

DaveW · April 4, 2016

Its not clear Sano violated any offseason agreement. The info appears to be conflicting. There was the 255 number being thrown around (I'm not sure who said it first). Terry Ryan was asked on KTWN about it at the start of spring, his answer was that Sano was heavier than expected but his body fat% was around 15% IIRC and he said that was acceptable.

Good info. If 15% is his number, than that places him right on the edge of being in the "ideal" bodyfat range for a male adult (21-25).

He isn't fat by any means, or really not even close, once that number hits 20% then color me a tad bit concerned (but even then if he is performing, who gives a damn?)

DaveW · April 4, 2016

It acceptable, but probably not what you what from an athlete.

Not all athletes are created equal/require an equal set of skills/body type.

If you are talking about a soccer player, then yes, Sano at 15% is probably a bit too high, ditto if you are talking about him running a marathon competitively. if you are talking about a QB in football he would be fine.

If we were expecting 30 SB a year from Sano that would be a concern, but of course his game is power with a great eye at the plate to boot.

tobi0040 · April 4, 2016

It acceptable, but probably not what you what from an athlete.

http://www.builtlean.com/2010/08/03/ideal-body-fat-percentage-chart/

Eveyone want what best of Sano and wants him to be a great player and hit 800 home runs. It's easier to carry weight when you are 22, but hard to drop it when you start approaching your 30's. He the biggest star the Twins have and reporters are going to analyize his ever move. I just can't believe people are upset with the column and trying to rationize his weight gain.

Yeah. Whether we say he is really strong or just a big guy, which he is....a top athelete would just not be 270 pounds at this age, regardless. Look at a guy like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Adrian Peterson, etc. They would be in better shape than Sano.

It doesn't mean he is not going to be a top player in the league. Just in my eyes, he might not be the best he can be.

DaveW · April 4, 2016

^{Color me concerned about Sano's weight, at 22 or 23. LIke a guy like Prince Fielder}

You do realize that Fielder has been one of the more healthy players in all of baseball, right? The 5 years prior to his first major injury he missed exactly ONE game in those 5 years.

DaveW · April 4, 2016

.a top athelete would just not be 270 pounds at this age, regardless. Look at a guy like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Adrian Peterson, etc. They would be in better shape than Sano.

Why on earth are you comparing a baseball player with a couple of basketball players and a football player?

Coincidentally enough Jordan (Gambling, banned from basketball), Bryant (Rape), Peterson (beat the hell out of his kid) all have significant character issues, while Sano has done nothing wrong, yet our media (and some of our fans) like to tear the kid down.

tobi0040 · April 4, 2016

You do realize that Fielder has been one of the more healthy players in all of baseball, right? The 5 years prior to his first major injury he missed exactly ONE game in those 5 years.

And at the age of 28, right when he was due a $200M contract he absolutely fell off a cliff in terms of production.

Now the Rangers have a DH making $24M a year for the next 8 years and he puts up an OPS in the 700-840 range (.819, .720, .841 the last three years), versus the 900-1000 range from 24-28.

And one can assume a 300 pound guy will fall off the aging curve faster than someone in better shape.

DaveW · April 4, 2016

And at the age of 28, right when he was due a $200M contract he absolutely fell off a cliff in terms of production.

Now the Rangers have a DH making $24M a year for the next 8 years and he puts up an OPS in the 700-840 range (.819, .720, .841 the last three years), versus the 900-1000 range from 24-28.

And one can assume a 300 pound guy will fall off the aging curve faster than someone in better shape.

Saying he will put up a .700-.800 OPS is a little misleading. Likely you are looking at a guy who will stick in the .820-.860 range moving forward (if he doesn't improve) however he still is fully capable of a .900 + OPS year this year as well.

Also Fielder is significantly "fatter" than Sano anyways. Just compare the two players (hell even compare them at age 22 if you want)

Sano is also 6 foot 4, while Fielder is 5 foot 11. Height matters quite a bit when you are talking about weight.

twinsnorth49 · April 4, 2016

Yeah. Whether we say he is really strong or just a big guy, which he is....a top athelete would just not be 270 pounds at this age, regardless. Look at a guy like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Adrian Peterson, etc. They would be in better shape than Sano.

It doesn't mean he is not going to be a top player in the league. Just in my eyes, he might not be the best he can be.

Huh, what? Last I checked NFL football players were top athletes and plenty of them are this heavy and this young.

Also, curious quote from Souhan's article on Sano and Buxton this past Saturday

"Twins front office members will counter that Sano is a better and fleeter athlete than he appears to be, has worked hard at the transition, and has one of the strongest arms in the game."

tobi0040 · April 4, 2016

Why on earth are you comparing a baseball player with a couple of basketball players and a football player?
Coincidentally enough Jordan (Gambling, banned from basketball), Bryant (Rape), Peterson (beat the hell out of his kid) all have significant character issues, while Sano has done nothing wrong, yet our media (and some of our fans) like to tear the kid down.

The comment speaks more about an inner drive to be the best they can be, regardless of sport. It is not just that Michael Jordan played basketball, therefore he was in better shape than Sano. The guy was an absolute machine. He worked harder than anyone else . You can tell by looking at guys, how dedicated they are to their craft. Some guys live and breathe it.

I think Ruesse wrote this column because he probably is hearing these concerns already from the Twins.

DaveW · April 4, 2016

The comment speaks more about an inner drive to be the best they can be, regardless of sport. It is not just that Michael Jordan played basketball, therefore he was in better shape than Sano. The guy was an absolute machine. He worked harder than anyone else . You can tell by looking at guys, how dedicated they are to their craft. Some guys live and breathe it.

Do you have personal knowledge about Jordan, Kobe, Peterson and Sano's "Drive/work ethic" first hand? Or is this all mostly baseless conjecture.

tobi0040 · April 4, 2016

Do you have personal knowledge about Jordan, Kobe, Peterson and Sano's "Drive/work ethic" first hand? Or is this all mostly baseless conjecture.

You cannot be serious about Michael Jordan's work ethic. Not even going to dig into this. Literally the most obvious conclusion of any sports fan in the 80's and 90's.

If you find a single article questioning Jordan's drive, or not being in shape it is likely from the Onion.

You are right though, Fielder is signficantly fatter than Sano. He is also 31 and Sano is 22. That is the concern to me. I don't think a 22 year old Fielder was significantly fatter than Sano is today. Bigger yes. But not signficantly bigger.

laloesch · April 4, 2016

Good info. If 15% is his number, than that places him right on the edge of being in the "ideal" bodyfat range for a male adult (21-25).
He isn't fat by any means, or really not even close, once that number hits 20% then color me a tad bit concerned (but even then if he is performing, who gives a damn?)

Dave there is NO WAY he's 15% body fat. That's approaching six pack territory. Sano is 260's at 6'-4", has a ponch and has quite a bit of junk in the trunk and thighs. Ain't no way he's 15% body fat. I'd guess he's probably closer to 25% if not a tad bit more.

nicksaviking · April 4, 2016

I can think of a dozen things I would change about my 22-year-old self.

Most of them self corrected due to life lessons and experience.

Willihammer · April 4, 2016

Dave there is NO WAY he's 15% body fat. That's approaching six pack territory. Sano is 260's at 6'-4", has a ponch and has quite a bit of junk in the trunk and thighs. Ain't no way he's 15% body fat. I'd guess he's probably closer to 25% if not a tad bit more.

I stated the 15% figure based on my memory of the TR radio interview on KTWN. It could be higher, I don't remember for certain. I am certain that when asked about Sano's weight, the gist of Ryan's answer was that the weight# was higher than expected but the body fat % (whatever it was) was acceptable.

DaveW · April 4, 2016

Dave there is NO WAY he's 15% body fat. That's approaching six pack territory. Sano is 260's at 6'-4", has a ponch and has quite a bit of junk in the trunk and thighs. Ain't no way he's 15% body fat. I'd guess he's probably closer to 25% if not a tad bit more.

Are you a doctor/expert or nutritionist?

First off: 25% is basically obese, which Sano is not.

Second off: I sit between 11% and 13% BF. I can assure you not everyone in the 10-15% range is approaching six pack territory, all people and their bodies are different as well. I too make a terrible OF as well

If Ryan said he is 15% why wouldn't you take him at his word on that?

DaveW · April 4, 2016

You are right though, Fielder is signficantly fatter than Sano. He is also 31 and Sano is 22. That is the concern to me. I don't think a 22 year old Fielder was significantly fatter than Sano is today. Bigger yes. But not signficantly bigger.

http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/images/news/2005/10/07_001_001.jpg

rookie year

tobi0040 · April 4, 2016

Are you a doctor/expert or nutritionist?

First off: 25% is basically obese, which Sano is not.
Second off: I sit between 11% and 13% BF. I can assure you not everyone in the 10-15% range is approaching six pack territory, all people and their bodies are different as well. I too make a terrible OF as well

If Ryan said he is 15% why wouldn't you take him at his word on that?

The quicker we can move away with ridiculous assertions like you need to be a doctor or nutritionist to have an opinion on a guys weight......or you need a first hand account of Michael Jordan's work ethic in order to have an opinion the better off the boards will be.

By that standard, they may as well disable the comment section. Or maybe we can have Bill James issue an aptitude test as a basis for participating in discussion.

TheLeviathan · April 4, 2016

Yeah. Whether we say he is really strong or just a big guy, which he is....a top athelete would just not be 270 pounds at this age, regardless. Look at a guy like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Adrian Peterson, etc. They would be in better shape than Sano.

It doesn't mean he is not going to be a top player in the league. Just in my eyes, he might not be the best he can be.

Do you know what linebackers are? C'mon now.

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