I have a strong feeling...

[drock2190]

That either Arcia or Meyer gets traded before the deadline.

 

Reason is they aren't necessarily ready to help the club or there is a clear fit. Granted injuries happen, but I'm thinking the front office is willing to deal them.

 

Obviously, bullpen help and a catcher is needed but I'm afraid one of them will be traded for a bullpen arm.

[Mike Sixel]

Arcia is possible. He is out of options next year......

 

No way Meyer is traded. He has no value right now, and he has options.

[ScrapTheNickname]

Yes, Arcia is a possibly trade-worthy. He can hit home runs but he strikes out too much and can't play defense. I'm not sure what value has for another team, unless he can slot in as a permanent DH.

[drock2190]

Except options equal value so to say Meyer is useless is not true

[Willihammer]

I think the odds are better one of Escobar, Santana, or Nunez is traded. We are getting pretty far along to have all 3 on the roster still. IMO Arcia and Meyer both have a lot of unrealized value but are just blocked by the roster situation (partly to blame is the presence of 3 utility infielders).

[Brock Beauchamp]

Arcia, unlikely.

 

Meyer, no way.

 

Ryan is not going to trade players whose value is at or near rock bottom.

 

Or at least he shouldn't.

[kellyvance]

Terry does not make trades for the sake of making trades. Arcia can help us at some point, and Meyer? Fuggettaboutit.  He has top of the rotation stuff, but his value right now is not very high.

These guys simply don't have the value you would need to get something worth trading for. Ryan will ride the tide and keep his pieces on the board. But two utility infielders are probably not needed now that we don't need them to play OF (Rosario, Hicks and Hunter is solid and Bux is due to come off the DL soon).  If Arcia is hitting when Bux is ready, he may return and Bux to AAA.  Be good to have a left handed bat.

 

I think the Twins stand pat. 

[nicksaviking]

 

Arcia, unlikely.

Meyer, no way.

Ryan is not going to trade players whose value is at or near rock bottom.

Or at least he shouldn't.

 

Delmon Young, Francisco Liriano and Justin Morneau might indicate otherwise.

 

Different situations as they were about to be free agents but Ryan often deals players at their nadir when they could have been moved previously when they had more value.

[gocgo]

I don't think you trade anyone who may have future value.  Arcia may not fit for the team now, but he might next year.  If we are trading him, next spring would be the time.  Meyer may help us down the road as well, not trading him.  Pelfrey, on the other hand....value pretty high relative to the last few years, free agent after this year, age 31.  Depending on the return, it might make sense to trade him.  However, he if we think he can help us get to the promised land, it might make more sense to keep him.

[tobi0040]

I think TR is not in panic mode because we have talented players in AAA that can't break through.  As a GM he must love it.

 

If he can find a good catcher maybe.  But we are not going to trade these two for a mediocre reliever, utility infielder, or even a slightly upgraded rental at say SS. Not going to happen.

 

This notion of extra players almost always works itself out.  Arcia is literally an injury by Mauer, Sano, Plouffe, Rosario, Hunter, or Hicks away from being up here.  Odds are that will happen or someone will play themselves out of their role.

[Steve Lein]

Of the names mentioned, Arcia, to me, is the only one who will get something valuable for us back this year.

 

Arcia is out of options after the season, and has been bypassed on this team by others. I'd trade him in a heartbeat if the return helps.

[tobi0040]

 

Of the names mentioned, Arcia, to me, is the only one who will get something valuable for us back this year.

 

Arcia is out of options after the season, and has been bypassed on this team by others. I'd trade him in a heartbeat if the return helps.

 

I think we could get something for Meyer.  He had three good years in a row and started the year as the #30 overall prospect in the game.  I am guessing 10 poor starts and decent pen numbers in 3 months doesn't totally ruin that all. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Delmon Young, Francisco Liriano and Justin Morneau might indicate otherwise.

 

Different situations as they were about to be free agents but Ryan often deals players at their nadir when they could have been moved previously when they had more value.

That's not true at all. The last time those players had any real value was during the 2010 season when the Twins were a playoff team.

 

Morneau got hurt and Liriano/Young turned into pumpkins. That was a big reason for the 2011 collapse in the first place.

 

If Morneau, Young, and Liriano are valuable players in 2011 - which is what we all fully expected to happen - the Twins don't lost 99 games and literally everything about the past four years plays out differently.

[spinowner]

 

Terry does not make trades for the sake of making trades. Arcia can help us at some point, and Meyer? Fuggettaboutit.  He has top of the rotation stuff, but his value right now is not very high.

These guys simply don't have the value you would need to get something worth trading for. Ryan will ride the tide and keep his pieces on the board. But two utility infielders are probably not needed now that we don't need them to play OF (Rosario, Hicks and Hunter is solid and Bux is due to come off the DL soon).  If Arcia is hitting when Bux is ready, he may return and Bux to AAA.  Be good to have a left handed bat.

 

I think the Twins stand pat. 

Any player can be traded if the return makes it worthwhile. That's why Revere got traded for two pitchers, both of whom are now in the majors. As for Arcia and Meyer, both have too much potential value to be traded for a relief pitcher rental or for most catchers.

 

They'd better stand pat, at least regarding that trade.

[Pardon My Dinger]

I hope we can land a big, power-hitting first base type. Or maybe a solid middle of the rotation kind of guy.

[Cap'n Piranha]

Arcia really only has value to the Twins if Plouffe gets traded, allowing Sano to take third and opening up DH.  Otherwise, I'd rather have the Rosario/Buxton/Hicks outfield, with Kepler joining at some point.

[Cap'n Piranha]

 

I hope we can land a big, power-hitting first base type. Or maybe a solid middle of the rotation kind of guy.

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you play this big, power-hitting first base type?

[Pardon My Dinger]

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you play this big, power-hitting first base type?

 

In the outfield, duh.

[Rosterman]

Meyer doesn't really have a lot of value for anhything of quality right now, sadly. He's a prospect with potential. Culd still shne.

 

Same said with Arcia. The Twins still have to worry about seond year slumps from Rosario and Sano and Buxton et al. Arcia is still in the mix to improve his value before the Twins need to see if there is a roster spot for Walker or Kepler.

 

Yes, tehre are a lot of tough decision making to be done. Plouffe at third or Sano. Sano at DH or Vargas or Arcia. Arcia in the outfield or Hicks or Kepler or Walker or someone else.

 

Is Santana the shortstop of the future or is Escobar the stopgap until Gordon, and where does Polanco fit into the mix.

 

Yes, you can trade Meyer or Arcia or ny numbre of guys as the 40-man roster spots start filling up and you NEED to trade them or lose them.

 

The only thing we know for sure is that the Twins need a more longterm address of catcher. But there might not be a betetr solution than just going with what they have or will have in the future, when you egt right down to it.

[tobi0040]

If a guy like Meyer can go from #30 prospect in the game with an upper 90's heater to no value in 90 days or so....I am scooping up guys like that with both hands if I was the GM.

 

 

[Mike Sixel]

If you could trade Meyer for a top 25 prospect right now.....since so many in front of him graduated.....would you? I would

[tobi0040]

 

If you could trade Meyer for a top 25 prospect right now.....since so many in front of him graduated.....would you? I would

 

For a #25 prospect I would trade him.  No question.  But in my eyes you have a lot of room between "no value" and "#25 prospect".  Even if #25 was #39 or whatever 90 days ago.

[Mike Sixel]

How far down would you go?

[Vanimal46]

 

Arcia, unlikely.

Meyer, no way.

Ryan is not going to trade players whose value is at or near rock bottom.

Or at least he shouldn't.

 

 

This ties into our discussion on the catcher's forum yesterday. Meyer's perceived value may be at or near rock bottom, but his price tag none the less is still the same as it was if an offer was made in ST correct? A guy ranked as the #30 prospect in baseball with 5+ years of team control should still have the same value in the long game whether he had a 180 ERA in AAA or a 0.15 ERA in the majors over the last couple of months...

[drjim]

Delmon Young, Francisco Liriano and Justin Morneau might indicate otherwise.

 

Different situations as they were about to be free agents but Ryan often deals players at their nadir when they could have been moved previously when they had more value.

I'm with Brock, this post makes no sense in the context of this discussion.

 

And Ryan wasn't GM when these players were at their apex, unless you wanted to trade Liriano in the middle of 2006.

[drjim]

Highly doubt on Meyer and Arcia is much more likely to be traded in the offseason if at all.

[Brock Beauchamp]

This ties into our discussion on the catcher's forum yesterday. Meyer's perceived value may be at or near rock bottom, but his price tag none the less is still the same as it was if an offer was made in ST correct? A guy ranked as the #30 prospect in baseball with 5+ years of team control should still have the same value in the long game whether he had a 180 ERA in AAA or a 0.15 ERA in the majors over the last couple of months...

Hard to say but I believe his value has diminished mainly because he's no longer starting games.

[spinowner]

 

I hope we can land a big, power-hitting first base type.

Like, say, Vargas?

[Grizz_09]

Nobody can really say what TR is thinking besides TR himself, but if we can get some bullpen help I would let either go 

[nicksaviking]

I'm with Brock, this post makes no sense in the context of this discussion.

And Ryan wasn't GM when these players were at their apex, unless you wanted to trade Liriano in the middle of 2006.

I was just commenting that Ryan has previously sold guys at their low point, while acknowledging it was a different situation.

 

I don't get the feeling Ryan is a buy low/sell high guy. He seems like he just reacts to what other GM's present to him. I'm pretty sure he's gone on record saying that he doesn't initiate deals, he waits for others to come to him. I think he makes his decisions based on necessity and supply.