2016 Election Thread

[Willihammer]

 

She's the Pawlenty of national candidates.....imo. Nice and likable, not much really done.

I think she's plenty likeable too but more importantly, checks more boxes - namely the sex. Regardless, there's going to be a 3rd party if Trump's the nominee, I just hope its not someone like Palin or Bachman.

[Zachary]

Arguing politics is so pointless. All we are doing is mimicking actual politicians... and we hate them because all they do is argue politics. 

 

That being said... it is a lot of fun. 

 

Trump could run as a 3rd party candidate but that would be his biggest mistake. He could get 15% of the popular vote but he wouldn't get a SINGLE electoral vote. Obviously, those matter a little more. 

 

What do you guys think about the role of LGBT rights in this upcoming election? I personally think it will destroy some of the republican candidates. It will also force some of them to LIE to the public about their views in order to not get destroyed (Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio). You think any of them have a chance of winning this election if they spend the entire campaign process publicly outspoken against LGBT rights? (Probably specifically marriage). 

[Willihammer]

 

 

You can't be unknown, have little notable achievements, and be a rather average charismatic figure and be a presidential candidate.

Well, I think you've described Barack Obama so I disagree. Anyway its a moot point. Sorry for derailment everyone.

[Willihammer]

 

Arguing politics is so pointless. All we are doing is mimicking actual politicians... and we hate them because all they do is argue politics. 

 

That being said... it is a lot of fun. 

 

Trump could run as a 3rd party candidate but that would be his biggest mistake. He could get 15% of the popular vote but he wouldn't get a SINGLE electoral vote. Obviously, those matter a little more. 

 

What do you guys think about the role of LGBT rights in this upcoming election? I personally think it will destroy some of the republican candidates. It will also force some of them to LIE to the public about their views in order to not get destroyed (Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio). You think any of them have a chance of winning this election if they spend the entire campaign process publicly outspoken against LGBT rights? (Probably specifically marriage). 

Following the supreme court ruling? Not much of an issue I suspect. No more than say, abortion.

[TheLeviathan]

Well, I think you've described Barack Obama so I disagree. Anyway its a moot point. Sorry for derailment everyone.

Obama's charisma is several times greater, they aren't even in the same ballpark.

 

She's a fine politician, but she is no presidential candidate.

[Willihammer]

 

Obama's charisma is several times greater, they aren't even in the same ballpark.

She's a fine politician, but she is no presidential candidate.

I'd say Obama's an excellent speech writer (or had excellent speech writers) but on his feet he gets tongue tied and can be a professor/windbag at times.

[Zachary]

 

Following the supreme court ruling? Not much of an issue I suspect. No more than say, abortion.

 

I guess the supreme court did a lot to suppress that as a hot topic on the agenda during the election, but the fight for LGBT rights is not over by a long shot. Wouldn't you agree that things Candidate's have done in the past will be brought up? Certain stances, regardless of their current relevance, play a roll. 

 

Views on LGBT rights are still very important to the people right now, and when you have two different republican candidates with one saying: 

 

"The only outcome worse than this flawed, failed decision would be for the President and Congress, two co-equal branches of government, to surrender in the face of this out-of-control act of unconstitutional, judicial tyranny"

 

and another saying: 

 

"I also believe that we should love our neighbor and respect others, including those making lifetime commitments. In a country as diverse as ours, good people who have opposing views should be able to live side by side."

 

then that will play a big time roll. The man responsible for that first quote I believe will have to "change his viewpoint" to have a shot. I like to believe right now that America will not vote in someone who is openly against LGBT rights. Could be wishful thinking though. 

 

Then you have a guy like Donald Trump tweeting something like "Once again the Bush appointed SCJ John Roberts has let us down." John Roberts didn't even side with the majority vote, you big old buffoon. 

[biggentleben]

 

Well, yeah. Who could beat those two though? I'd say Klobuchar is the perfect mix of, sanity, sex, track record in Washington (longer than Trump's, shorter than Hillary's), middle of the country, sane, etc. Did I mention sane?

 

Sane is not a shared opinion here due to personal interaction with the woman. I'd never, ever vote for her if I had the option.

[biggentleben]

 

No, but neither did Obama or WJ Clinton. She's already endorsed Clinton though.

 

You didn't know Obama before he ran? He had two NY Times best selling politically-based books before he was officially a presidential candidate. Certainly folks knew his name.

[mikecgrimes]

Trump shares a few views of Tea Party members but he's no Tea Partier.

 

While I vehemently disagree with most of the Tea Party's platform, at least they're somewhat consistent. Trump is just ****ing insane.

I'm still not ready to rule her out as the Democrat nominee. It's just a matter of the non Bernie crowd panicking in the next month or 2.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Freedom is nothing to joke about.

That's actually a joke in itself. Not a laugh out loud joke, but still kind of funny.

 

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get caught up on the next 200 posts in this thread. It's gonna take a while. I think I'll crack a beer and throw some freedom fries in the oven.

[mikecgrimes]

Speculation is that Biden might run.  If he does is it a bit of a free for all with two or three other credible candidates jumping in or does he coast to the nomination.  I'm assuming he would never run if he and the Democrat party thought Hillary was going to somehow avoid all her problems.  All the jokes about his GW Bush like verbal stumbles he would be a very difficult candidate to beat.  As much as a female or minority makes sense for the Democrats the right option doesn't appear to be out there right now again assuming Hillary is damaged goods.

[ashbury]

 the Democrat party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_%28epithet%29

[mikecgrimes]

There we go again. We republican or republicratics are filled with insults. I thought I must have somehow made a spelling error. I guess not. It would be so much easier if I supported members of the d word and could say or do anything without my motives being questioned.

[ashbury]

Some people apologize when they mis-speak, or at least move on. Others turn it around.

[mikecgrimes]

If I want to insult democraterickables I'll call it the democratickables party. If I don't want to insult Democrats I'll call it the Democrat party. If somehow that bothers you I don't care.

[mikecgrimes]

Just so we're clear it is OK to spell the word republican correctly and then add party to it. You could also do the same with libertarian constitution reform green...

[Craig Arko]

Good to see that people are focused on the issues and what's best for the country.

[DaveW]

Speculation is that Biden might run. If he does is it a bit of a free for all with two or three other credible candidates jumping in or does he coast to the nomination. I'm assuming he would never run if he and the Democrat party thought Hillary was going to somehow avoid all her problems. All the jokes about his GW Bush like verbal stumbles he would be a very difficult candidate to beat. As much as a female or minority makes sense for the Democrats the right option doesn't appear to be out there right now again assuming Hillary is damaged goods.

I like Biden a lot, not sure he can win the nomination though. I'm not sure he is "serious" enough for the average voter, or maybe I am just brainwashed by all the awesome onion articles about him?

[DaveW]

Arguing politics is so pointless. All we are doing is mimicking actual politicians... and we hate them because all they do is argue politics.

 

That being said... it is a lot of fun.

 

Trump could run as a 3rd party candidate but that would be his biggest mistake. He could get 15% of the popular vote but he wouldn't get a SINGLE electoral vote. Obviously, those matter a little more.

 

What do you guys think about the role of LGBT rights in this upcoming election? I personally think it will destroy some of the republican candidates. It will also force some of them to LIE to the public about their views in order to not get destroyed (Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio). You think any of them have a chance of winning this election if they spend the entire campaign process publicly outspoken against LGBT rights? (Probably specifically marriage).

It wouldn't be a mistake at all for Trump to run third party, I am 99.9% sure he has no real desire to be president, all of this stuff has basically just been him fullfilling his own ridiculous ego. Running third party would keep him in the news, which is all he really cares about at the end of the day.

[Shane Wahl]

I am perfectly fine actually working for the Sanders campaign, much like I did Nader in 2000. I won't pretend that there is a chance against Clinton and whoever else runs, but there is still something about working for a campaign that one can actually both believe in the message and in the rhetorical effectiveness of the candidate. Bernie is essentially Dennis Kucinich with a better voice and delivery . . .

[Shane Wahl]

Guys, in no way, shape, or form is Donald Trump going to win the GOP nomination. The GOP just needs to tell some of these clowns to stop running, so the field gets narrowed down to eight or so. Then some few will emerge and Trump will go to third, fourth, fifth, etc.

[mikecgrimes]

I look at the GOP field as a couple clusters of candidates and then trump. You have Bush and Christie leading one cluster, and Paul Cruz and Carson leading the other with rubio and Walker bridging the gap. Trump is competitive but sits in 3rd. If he ever gets to 35% in a poll he's a contender but until then his poll #'s don't impress me.

[TheLeviathan]

Donald Trump should pray he stays as far away from Megyn Kelly questions for the rest of this debate.

 

He couldn't have bungled that any worse.

[DaveW]

Some of these guys are terrifying to think they could be president: Trump, Walker, Rubio, Cruz, Christie and Huckabee are all just so freaking nuts. If I was a woman, how could I even entertain the thought of voting for any of them? (bush, trump, walker and Huckabee)

[TheLeviathan]

You think Rubio is nuts?

[DaveW]

You think Rubio is nuts?

Doesn't believe in any human involvement global warming, doesn't believe in any form of abortion. Doesn't want to change the patriot act at all

 

Those are the quickest threethat come to mind.

[TheLeviathan]

Yeah, three stances I disagree with, but all pretty run of the mill Republican stances.

[Squirrel]

Some of these guys are terrifying to think they could be president: Trump, Walker, Rubio, Cruz, Christie and Huckabee are all just so freaking nuts. If I was a woman, how could I even entertain the thought of voting for any of them? (bush, trump, walker and Huckabee)

I couldn't and wouldn't. As I've said before, as a women, there is no way in hell I could vote republican for numerous reasons.

[Shane Wahl]

Kasich is sane and also not a monster. Bush is sane but is a monster (it's in his blood, after all). Christie is just sorta dumb or something, honestly. The rest . . . oh my god.