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A lot changes in half a season. Royce Lewis finally departed the prospect list nearly 6 (six!) years after the team drafted him first overall in 2017. Edouard Julien and Louie Varland also lost their prospect status, weakening the high-end of the list despite a recent influx of incredible talent. Speaking of which…

Walker Jenkins! The Twins actually did it; they eschewed their conservative desires and simply took the best player available at number 5: a sweet-swinging high-schooler who drew incredible reviews for his makeup. You could probably write a book with the superlative ink spilled about Jenkins over the past few days, but there's a good reason for that: he’s a stud. He immediately gives the team a fascinating, dynamic top three of Brooks Lee, Emmanuel Rodriguez, and himself. He hasn’t even been signed yet, so let’s not get carried away, but it’s certainly an exciting time for the Twins system.

Which, I think, is the strongest it’s been in a few years. The team is now undeniably at the heart of the pitching movement, churning out and improving arms at a breakneck pace, making their pitching prospects that much more exciting. There are about four or five legitimately impressive arms in the system drafted in 2022, and with about 60 pitchers taken in this draft, a few more are certainly on their way. It’s madness. But it’s a good kind of madness. 

I’ve done something different with this list. As you’ll see, batters and pitchers are separated—something I’ve always felt should be done given the differences between the two. This is especially true these days, as any arm with one or two interesting characteristics is millimeters away from breaking out; hitters don’t currently enjoy such an advantage. Here’s the list:

Hitters:

  1. Brooks Lee, 22, 5’11” / 205 - SS

Now that Royce Lewis is finally no longer a prospect (for the first time since 2017!), Brooks Lee takes over as the best prospect in Minnesota’s system. There’s a lot to like in his tools; his defense isn’t consistently excellent at shortstop—he’s missing the kind of raw athletic force that, say, Carlos Correa possesses—but he’s nimble enough to make plenty of wow plays and could stick at the position in the majors. If not, he’ll be fine at third or second. The Twins appear dead-set on getting him reps here, as he’s barely started anywhere else in 2023. 

Offensively, he’ll likely hit, but his bat isn’t bulletproof. He doesn’t own any one overwhelming attribute, but he does most things pretty well and should never embarrass himself with poor swing decisions. Overall, he looks a lot like Marcus Semien with a little less pop—but I will warn that the lack of consistent game power is a concern. Really, though, most knocks feel like extreme nit-picking for a 22-year-old holding his own at AA in his first full year in organized ball. He’ll be fine and should join the Twins sometime in 2024.

  1. Emmanuel Rodriguez, 20, 5’10” / 210 - OF

Emmanuel Rodriguez is a lesson in two parts: one, that monthly stat-worrying over prospects is often foolish; and slack should be handed to players returning from major surgery. Rodriguez spent April and May striking out at Gallo-ian rates before deflating his whiffs to palatable levels; he’s punched out at a 25.5% clip since June started. And while that cutoff is as arbitrary as any, I think it’s clear that Rodriguez is far more comfortable at the plate these days than when the season started.

He still has laughable power as his swing-as-hard-as-humanly-possible approach yields monster homers and titanic bullets shot all around the field, offering welts to fielders who stand in their way. The whiffs will probably always be present, though, as he has a habit of running deep counts. If he continues to evolve, he could be the toolsy stud center fielder of the future for the Twins. The bust potential is high, though.

  1. Walker Jenkins, 18, 6’3” / 190 - OF

Surprise! After blowing smoke around Jacob Gonzalez for a few months, the Twins took the sane route and drafted an excellent high school prospect. I’ll repeat the common refrain here; Jenkins could have gone 1st in any normal draft, and the Twins are deeply fortunate to have such an impact talent in their farm system.

It’s a little silly trying to rank recently-selected players alongside pros with hundreds of at-bats under their belt, but you have to put the guy somewhere, and I thought right behind Emmanuel Rodriguez was the best choice. I don’t really have a good reason for this choice; he can move up quickly with early success.

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  1. Matt Wallner, 25, 6’5” / 220 - OF

The man who just cannot find a roster spot. Matt Wallner is the antithesis of Max Kepler: he’s going to swing hard, clobber a lot of baseballs, and play bumbling, clumsy defense in right field. We’ve seen his style of play work at times, as apparent by his little MLB playing time this year, but his extreme contact deficiency will spell ugly hitting streaks, and I worry what major-league pitchers are going to do to him once they become comfortable. Still, he rakes. His max exit velocity is already elite, and it’s not impossible to imagine an Austin Riley-like metamorphosis from hulking slugger to well-rounded nuclear offensive force.

Defensively, Wallner is going to cost the Twins runs. He may earn some back with his arm—a true bazooka that will vex greedy baserunners, or just keep them stationary in fear—but the dropoff from Kepler to Wallner will be obvious. Minnesota’s favor towards flyball pitchers, and their insistence on playing Kepler and Gallo may keep him hidden on the periphery longer than most have the stomach for.

  1. Tanner Schobel, 22, 5’9” / 170 - 2B/3B

Tanner Schobel is something of a throwback to the 2000s Twins: a slick do-it-all infielder with above-average speed and a good chance at becoming a roughly 2 WAR player for more years than you realize. He’s even added more ISO (in a pitcher’s league!) as his extended play with Cedar Rapids has been powerful. The thump may not be a mirage; Schobel slugged .689 his sophomore season at Virginia Tech. He loads up like Eugenio Saurez, allowing the ball to travel a little further than most before the full power of his torque releases, usually in a punishing manner (to the ball).

Defensively, Schobel has mostly split time between second and third—his two most natural positions. He could potentially play shortstop, but that position has seen a lot of Noah Miller and Jose Salas, making it difficult for Schobel to earn playing time there. Overall, Schobel fits a likeable infielder mold that many good-to-great players have thrived in.

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  1. Yasser Mercedes, 18, 6’2” / 175 - OF

An expensive international signing from a few years ago, Yasser Mercedes showcased a dynamic offensive profile in 2022 before completely falling off a cliff in his first taste of stateside ball. Was he a victim of untrustworthy DSL stats? Is this a fluke? It’s far too early to tell; for now he’ll stay stagnant in my prospect list. 

  1. Austin Martin, 24, 6’0” / 185 - SS/OF

Oh what a fall for Austin Martin. You know the story by now: his flaming college performance capitulated immediately after the Blue Jays drafted him, and now the Twins are looking to get him back in the groove. 2022 was almost a complete loss, but Martin flashed life in September, and had a respectable enough AFL to soften his fall from grace.

Frustratingly, an injury knocked Martin out of commission until a few days ago, when he finally popped back up on the Saints’ roster. A strong showing could earn him a quick promotion, as Royce Lewis is currently on the mend well until August; José Miranda took his place but could be shuffled if his bat doesn’t turn around. Hopefully Martin finds the minimum power needed to become a quality major-league bat, because his potential is of a classic two-hole batter, slashing hits across the field while stealing at whim. 

  1. Luke Keaschall, 20, 6’1” / 190 - INF

The Twins selected Luke Keaschall—an infielder out of Arizona State—with their second-round pick in 2023. Plenty of excellent alumnus call that college home, and Keaschall could join them soon, as he absolutely smoked PAC-12 pitching with a .353/.443/.725 slashline. We’ll understand Keaschall more as a prospect in time, so consider this ranking very loose; he could move up or down easily. 

  1. Noah Miller, 20, 5’11” / 190 - SS

Alright, I was probably wrong about Noah Miller. I grasped tightly onto his excellent strikeout-to-walk rate in 2022, but now that has evaporated, leaving a powerless, on-base-less profile only buoyed by his excellent shortstop defense. He added a tinge of power in 2023, upping his ISO almost .030 points up to .094, but that hasn’t been enough to save his hitting, and infielders who hit like this need a legendary glove to stick around in MLB for any serious period of time. 

  1. Noah Cardenas, 23, 5’11” / 195 - C/1B

I still cannot fathom why Noah Cardenas is not more well-received as a prospect. He’s hitting for a 129 wRC+ with the Kernels—as a catcher, mind you—after crushing A ball with similar vigor. His pop is more in doubles than homers, but he can take a walk like no one’s business, and that kind of plate control should translate well as he progresses up through the minors.

The bugaboo: his defense. The Twins know this, and often spell time at 1st and DH (although Andrew Cossetti’s presence feeds into this decision as well). We don’t have public catching defensive metrics, but Eric Longenhagen rated him a 30-grade defender, and I’m willing to believe in his assessment. Still, the Twins were able to turn Mitch Garver into a workable defensive catcher—and Ryan Jeffers wasn’t a lock to stay at catcher either—so it’s very possible that Cardenas follows those two and blossoms into an everyday player. 

  1. Danny De Andrade, 19, 5’11” / 190 - SS

We’re finally seeing Danny De Andrade playing in full-season ball and the results have been… whelming. He’s walked a fair amount, but the power is merely ok, and he’s probably not going to play shortstop long-term. Still, this is a 19-year-old; picking on him too much seems like an unwise decision. He should rise up this list further with time. 

  1. Jose Salas, 20, 6’0” / 191 - INF

At this point, it’s unclear what Jose Salas does well. He’s in the middle of a dreadful repetition of A+ ball in which his slashline is so porous that I don’t even want to type it out. You don’t need to look it up; it’s bad. Normally this kind of performance would take a player completely off the list, but prospect evaluators swore he was around a 45 FV player coming into the year, and I’ll offer some slack in this regard. It won’t last long unless something changes quickly. 

  1. Kala’i Rosario, 21, 6’0” / 205 - OF

It’s been an impressive rebound for Kala’i Rosario, who wandered the prospect desert after being selected in the 2020 draft. Once a pure power threat, Rosario has improved in each stat of his triple slash-line, giving him a mean offensive profile that Midwest pitchers haven’t figured out yet. He even sliced a few points off his strikeout rate. 

Yet the hit tool remains shaky. There are major leaguers who can make it work with a swing-hard-and-maybe-something-good-will-happen approach, but it’s a wasteland of batters who pitchers figured out quickly; whether Rosario is any different will be seen shortly. He should see a promotion to AA soon, and his immense power could carry him to the majors. 

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  1. Andrew Cossetti, 23, 5’10” / 215 - C/1B

Andrew Cossetti mashed A-ball with a hilarious .330/.462/.607 slashline before the Twins showed mercy on poor Florida State League arms, sending the menace to Cedar Rapids. His offense has cooled, but he still settled into a firmly above-average performance—especially for a catcher holding a .262 BABIP. He often spends time at 1st also, perhaps signalling Minnesota’s thoughts on his ability to stick as a backstop, but the bat may be real, and that’s enough to make Cossetti an exciting name to watch. 

  1. Jose Rodriguez, 18, 6’2” / 196 - OF

Jose Rodriguez popped 13 homers in an impressive somehow-young-for-the-level DSL debut and is now hitting for a 93 wRC+ with the FCL Twins. Like Mercedes, the question regarding untrustworthy DSL numbers exists here, but I’ll give Rodriguez some benefit of the doubt considering his absurd youth and small sample of plate appearances at his new level. 

  1. Yunior Severino, 23, 6’0” / 189 - 2B/3B

This is now the third season in a row that Yunior Severino has mashed the ball; his profile still scares the crap out of me. He makes his bread with power and walks, but the walks have dropped off since he reached AA, and we’re left with a high ISO/high BABIP batting line that, to me, seems unsustainable outside the Texas League. Maybe that’s unfair, but there’s also probably a reason the team has been slow to send him to AAA. 

  1. DaShawn Kiersey Jr., 26, 6’0” / 195 - OF

Is this a toolsy outfielder finally breaking out, or an old-for-the-level batter picking on pitchers who don’t know any better? Who knows—and the truth probably lies outside my black-and-white dichotomy—but, there’s no way to say it any other way: DaShawn Kiersey Jr. is raking.

His season under-the-hood looks largely the same as 2022, save for a nearly .040 point bump in ISO, but Kiersey Jr. has already clobbered nine homers; it took him three minor league seasons after being drafted to hit his first longball. Throw in game-altering stolen base potential, and Kiersey Jr. is a compelling late-breakout outfielder who’ll need to claw past some other uber-talented players if he ever sees the majors. He’s blistered the ball since June started, turning in a .347/.407/.579 slash with seven steals.

  1. Ben Ross, 22, 6’0” / 180 - INF

If you want a guy who can rake across the field, Ben Ross is your guy. He’s bopped 13 homers in a notorious pitchers league, all while playing at 1st base, shortstop, 3rd base, left field, center field, and right field (he played second last year, but not this year). Whether he’s adept at all these positions or merely a warm body capable of moonlighting at them will be seen, but the profile is certainly fascinating. He could probably catch if need be. 

  1. Misael Urbina, 21, 5’10” / 190 - OF

Misael Urbina is continuing his every-other-year pattern of not hitting. It appeared he bounced back nicely after a truly awful 2021 season, but not one number of his A+ slashline starts with a “.3” and, yeah, that’s not gonna play. The talent is still evident, but smooth sailing it has not been, and I worry that Urbina is not going to live up to the promise he showed in 2019.

  1. Aaron Sabato, 24, 6’2” / 230 - 1B

It’s been a molasses-slow movement through the system for the 2020 1st-round selection. He hasn’t lived up to the hype he saw out of college, but—somehow—he’s dutifully earned promotions and usually turns in above-average performances after becoming acclimated to his competition. That’s not what you want from a 1st-round pick, but there’s still a very real chance Sabato can contribute to the major-league team.

Pitchers:

  1. Marco Raya, 20, 6’0” / 170 - RHP

The recently promoted Marco Raya represents Minnesota’s best shot at a top-of-the-rotation arm. That isn’t to say that he’s a lock to dominate—and, indeed, undervalued arms like Joe Ryan and Bailey Ober have proven that the best MLB pitchers aren’t always the well-known guys—but, if anyone here is a betting man, Raya would be the favored horse. He attacks batters with an ideal vertical fastball and a pair of devastating breaking balls, known to bring hitters to their knees if they swing improperly.

Despite being over three years younger than the average competition at A+ ball, Raya smoked hitters, punching out nearly 30% of batters faced while chopping two percentage points off his walk rate from last year. It’s difficult to parse whether this was Raya just being plain better than these hitters, as the Twins capped his innings total in his starts at four, but the numbers are hard to ignore, and the team may be off-setting their conservatism with an aggressive promotion to the Wind Surge. The Texas League is known for hitting; good luck to Raya with his new competition. 

  1. David Festa, 23, 6’6” / 185 - RHP

There’s a strong argument for David Festa as the better pitching prospect, and, in the end, Raya won by a sliver. This is no knock on Festa; the Seton Hall product followed a now well-paved road set by the Falvey Twins, as he almost immediately enjoyed and sustained a four-tick velocity bump. The strikeouts soon came. 

With effective offerings in his sharp slider and surprisingly effective changeup (surprising only in that every pitching prospect has a “developing” cambio), Festa has impressive peripherals at AA, even if the walks have trended up with subsequent promotions. He was recently added to the Futures Game roster, and could see time with the Twins in 2024 if the current glut of 40-man options prove insufficient. 

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  1. Connor Prielipp, 22, 6’2” / 210 - LHP

Almost a year after the Twins selected him, Connor Prielipp remains a mystery. He made exactly one start for the Kernels before hitting the IL, shuttled off to the grand nothingness that is the Twins’ prospect injury list, only evident through occasional tweets and whispers. The team finally ended his season, giving us 1 (one) start and no new knowledge on what Prielipp could become.

It’s frustrating given Prielipp’s potentially dominant slider; a healthy Prielipp could easily be one of the best prospects in Minnesota’s system, but he can now only claim a combined 34 ⅔ innings between his time at Alabama and in pro ball. What will eventually become of the 22-year-old is just as unclear as when the Twins drafted him in 2022. 

  1. Charlee Soto, 17, 6’5” / 197 - RHP

If you built a pitcher in a lab, this is what he would look like—6 foot 5 inches with a big fastball and yeah, you get the idea. Eric Longenhagen at Fangraphs described his heater as sink-oriented, which does differentiate him from your typical ride/carry guy so coveted by MLB teams these days.

Like Walker, ranking Soto is a fool’s errand. He’s even younger than your typical high schooler at 17, and I doubt we’ll understand Soto more as a prospect for at least a few years.

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  1. Simeon Woods Richardson, 22, 6’3” / 210 - RHP

Disastrous. Following a minor stabilizing season at AA and AAA last year, Simeon Woods Richardson is imploding in 2023. His K-BB% is 3.7%, far far far below the ground level acceptable for even a below-average major-league arm. 

This is nothing like the pitcher the Twins expected to receive in 2021—and he’s so far removed from his performance at any part of his minor league career that an injury is the only real explanation for his troubles. Minnesota pulled this same thing with Jordan Balazovic in 2022, allowing him to take drastic lumps while recovering from an injury, but at least Balazovic still had the Ks; Woods Richardson has nothing. With other arms clearly ahead of him in the depth chart, Woods Richardson’s path to the majors appears blocked, or at least heavily guarded.

  1. Jordan Balazovic, 24, 6’5” / 215 - RHP

I think Jordan Balazvoic has been ranked differently in each list I’ve made, and I don’t think that’s a good thing. He has rebounded nicely from his putrid 2022 season, and parlayed a strikeout/walk oriented AAA performance into… a BABIP-aided 1.80 ERA over 10 major-league innings. No, I don’t get it either.

There’s legitimate upside, though, with Balazovic’s killer vertical fastball/curve approach that could transform him into the new Griffin Jax. That may be a disappointment from the height of his prospect days in 2018 and 2019, but Jax is a valuable piece on the Twins; hopefully Balazovic will be as well. 

  1. Blayne Enlow, 24, 6’3” / 170 (doubtful, but it’s what Fangraphs says) - RHP

Risen from prospect ashes like the phoenix of old, Blayne Enlow might actually be a major-league arm. After being DFA’d and left out to dry last year, Enlow remained a Twin, crushing AA while halving his walk rate and adding a few more strikeouts to the mix. The promotion to AAA came soon.

His time with the Saints hasn’t been as fruitful, but 17 ⅓ innings is a small sample, and I’m willing to bet on a future where Enlow can find an effective role in the majors. 

  1. Brent Headrick, 25, 6’6” / 235 - LHP

I still don’t really know what to make of Brent Headrick. He has a tremendous and a disastrous fastball, leading me to believe that he’s going to be a reliever long-term, not a starter. His height, odd arm action, and command should secure him a spot on the team in some capacity, but that fastball problem is dire, and it may not be easy to fix. Headrick gets a leg-up on other, similar pitchers because of his major-league readiness. 

  1. Cory Lewis, 22, 6’5” / 220 - RHP

One of Minnesota’s many interesting pitchers from the 2022 draft, Cory Lewis has been a buzzsaw. There’s nothing overwhelming about his profile, but he can command the hell out of his fastball and slider while occasionally tossing in a knuckleball, just for fun. 

Lewis’ ordinary draft stock, and his status as a developed college arm makes it difficult to decipher his undeniable dominance; I’ll keep him here for now—right in the middle of the pitcher melee that separates the best pitching prospects in the system from the rest of the herd. This is not a slight. Minnesota has proven wise in turning arms like Lewis into quality major leaguers, so this isn’t your normal piece of the scrap pile of young pitchers.

  1. Andrew Morris, 21, 6’0” / 195 - RHP

Andrew Morris hasn’t been as overwhelming as his 2022 draftee peers, but he owns a potential outlier offering, and that buoys his profile while making him a real prospect. The pitch? A carry-monster fastball that usually sits in the lower 90s but can scratch 95—something that Bryce Miller has proven can dominate by itself. Throw in a solid slider, and Morris could easily be yet another college breakout arm for the Twins. 

  1. Zebby Matthews, 23, 6’5” / 225 - RHP

Zebby Matthews tore up the Florida State League with Maddux-like dominance, creating an air of excitement around the Western Carolina University product, before a promotion to Cedar Rapids shot that down. His xFIP is still fine, but his strikeout rate plummeted. The rest of the season will tell us who the real Matthews is.

There’s still a lot to like in his profile; he throws six legitimate pitches with good control, and that alone could carry him to the majors. The cutter appears to be the critical offering.

  1. C.J. Culpepper, 21, 6’3” / 193 - RHP

You could basically copy/paste the previous sentiments regarding A-ball dominance. C.J. Culpepper—no relation to Daunte, trust me—earned the second-highest signing bonus of any California Baptist University player ever (name me the two MLB players from that college without looking it up and I’ll give you five dollars) and almost immediately crushed his competition with the Mighty Mussels. A promotion to Cedar Rapids cooled his stats (in only two starts), so, again, Culpepper’s prospect status is unclear.

Still, a 27.9 K% cannot be ignored, and Culpepper soon could rise further up this list with more impressive starts.

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  1. Alejandro Hidalgo, 20, 6’1” / 160 - RHP

I haven’t seen many pitchers like Alejandro Hidalgo. His command is either fine—with maybe a walk or two here or there—or it’s disastrous, completely wiping out his outing with four, five, six walks over a shockingly low inning total. When he’s on, he has a devastating fastball/changeup combo and looks lethal; when he’s not, duck. 

  1. Ronny Henriquez, 23, 5’10” / 155 - RHP

Entering the season as a dark-horse, hipster pick to carry important major-league frames, Ronny Henriquez has stumbled through a difficult season. An elbow injury was the first culprit, then he walked everyone and their mother at AAA, and a recent oblique strain knocked him out of commission for two weeks. He’s only allowed one run since returning, but the walks are still uncharacteristically overwhelming; he’ll need to fix that issue before he can rebound on this list. 

  1. Matt Canterino, 25, 6’2” / 222 - RHP

Matt Canterino has not thrown a competitive pitch in over a year. Given his injuries and missing innings, it would be a miracle for Canterino to become an effective starter; the bullpen is his likely future home. If shorter bursts can keep him healthy, he could dominate in that role. 

  1. Kyle Jones, 23, 6’1” / 200 - RHP

Yet another 2022 draft pitcher, Jones isn’t quite the strikeout artist seen in his peers, but he acquires groundballs at a hefty rate while keeping his whiffs and walks around league average. This looks like a vanilla, but safe profile that could earn him under-the-radar promotions to the system’s higher levels.

 

Edited by Matt Braun

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Orthopedic surgeons love the Twins.

Matt Braun

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1 hour ago, Minderbinder said:

Orthopedic surgeons love the Twins.

Thank you for the helpful and insightful addition to the discussion 

Nashvilletwin

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Thanks for this Matt.

Overall, our prospect list is starting to look a little light. Lee should be a solid major leaguer, ERod has a high beta, Jenkins is a long way off, and Wallner isn’t good enough in the eyes of our FO to beat out even the anaemic Kepler or Gallo (yikes!). After those four, it’s not easy to see much reliably projectable above average major league talent. Of course, we are leaving off Larnach, Miranda and Celestino,  but it’s not clear they can even clear that description. Maybe someone will surprise us.

Btw, whom do you favor as our best bets for CFer of the future? Jenkins, Martin, ERod, Celestino, Gordon, other?

Pitching doesn’t seem much better. Excluding Winder and Varland (whom you didn’t list, maybe because they’ve graduated), our best starter options seem a long way off.  SWR is fifth and he is not providing much comfort.

Maybe I’m just a little gloomy, but, yeah, overall it seems the cupboard is a bit bare. 

 

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3 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Thanks for this Matt.

Overall, our prospect list is starting to look a little light. Lee should be a solid major leaguer, ERod has a high beta, Jenkins is a long way off, and Wallner isn’t good enough in the eyes of our FO to beat out even the anaemic Kepler or Gallo (yikes!). After those four, it’s not easy to see much reliably projectable above average major league talent. Of course, we are leaving off Larnach, Miranda and Celestino,  but it’s not clear they can even clear that description. Maybe someone will surprise us.

Btw, whom do you favor as our best bets for CFer of the future? Jenkins, Martin, ERod, Celestino, Gordon, other?

Pitching doesn’t seem much better. Excluding Winder and Varland (whom you didn’t list, maybe because they’ve graduated), our best starter options seem a long way off.  SWR is fifth and he is not providing much comfort.

Maybe I’m just a little gloomy, but, yeah, overall it seems the cupboard is a bit bare. 

 

CFer I say E Rod, but who knows; they guy hasn't even played at AA yet.

Pitching isn't overwhelming, but which system is? I think Raya and Festa are strong plus there's a solid chance one of the many college arms from 2022 turn into something.

Overall I'd say it's around league average. Fangraphs has them 13th before the draft and that feels about right. 

DocBauer

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Always enjoy reflections and opinions on the system. Not sure I'd have included Sabato. And the way this season is going SWR would be lower on my list. I know he's still very young, but where is the velocity? Where is the single out pitch? What on earth has changed so much since last year?

Agree on liking Headrick but feeling he's going to end up in the pen. Also think Canterino still has a shot, but probably as a reliever now. And if Cardenas can polish his defense, I think his bat will play well. But Cossetti might be even better.

A few guys not mentioned surprise me. Williams as a late blooming 1B/DH? Winokur, possible 5 tool talent about the same age as some of the IL kids in Florida? And no appearance of Nowlin on your list?

Guest

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On 7/14/2023 at 11:54 AM, Matt Braun said:

Thank you for the helpful and insightful addition to the discussion 

You're welcome.  I applaud any effort to examine the condition of the Twins' farm system.  Given that the FO doesn't shy away from signing reconstructed arms and shoulders (or just like to absorb risk as in Mahle's and Prielipp's cases), however, one might be wise to condition any pitcher's appraisal on whether he's pre- or post-TJ.  Twins' pitching prospects lists seem to blow up monthly.  As examples of caution, SWR's regression and the tender way they handle Raya smells as if there's something physical that hasn't been disclosed yet.  

walkstar89

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23 hours ago, Minderbinder said:

You're welcome.  I applaud any effort to examine the condition of the Twins' farm system.  Given that the FO doesn't shy away from signing reconstructed arms and shoulders (or just like to absorb risk as in Mahle's and Prielipp's cases), however, one might be wise to condition any pitcher's appraisal on whether he's pre- or post-TJ.  Twins' pitching prospects lists seem to blow up monthly.  As examples of caution, SWR's regression and the tender way they handle Raya smells as if there's something physical that hasn't been disclosed yet.  

Pitching prospects in general have really high rates of blown arms- league wide 

Fatbat

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On 7/14/2023 at 8:33 PM, Matt Braun said:

CFer I say E Rod, but who knows; they guy hasn't even played at AA yet.

Pitching isn't overwhelming, but which system is? I think Raya and Festa are strong plus there's a solid chance one of the many college arms from 2022 turn into something.

Overall I'd say it's around league average. Fangraphs has them 13th before the draft and that feels about right. 

I saw something where our farm system dropped to 27th and is top end heavy. (Post draft 2023). I believe whoever wrote that is participating in Minnesotas new found freedom to get lit. I believe we are just outside of the top 10. Im also confident that 3 of the college pitchers taken this year will be making varsity impact in 2025 along with Raya and SWR. Balazovich and Canterino are the wild cards and they have taken longer to get where they should have been but that happens. As far as CF, I think its going to be a rotating door for at least another 3 seasons. 

Matt Braun

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On 7/14/2023 at 8:10 PM, DocBauer said:

Always enjoy reflections and opinions on the system. Not sure I'd have included Sabato. And the way this season is going SWR would be lower on my list. I know he's still very young, but where is the velocity? Where is the single out pitch? What on earth has changed so much since last year?

Agree on liking Headrick but feeling he's going to end up in the pen. Also think Canterino still has a shot, but probably as a reliever now. And if Cardenas can polish his defense, I think his bat will play well. But Cossetti might be even better.

A few guys not mentioned surprise me. Williams as a late blooming 1B/DH? Winokur, possible 5 tool talent about the same age as some of the IL kids in Florida? And no appearance of Nowlin on your list?

Williams was a straight miss; should have had him in the back-end somewhere.

Winokur is great, but I always feel uncomfortable ranking recently-drafted guys anywhere. I'll make an exception for the first two rounds, but anyone after that probably won't sniff any immediate list from me. Just a personal thing, and Winokur will absolutely hit the list once he plays well. 

Nowlin I just don't believe will ever throw enough strikes to be relevant, but I could be wrong. Probably should have had him somewhere on the back-end. 

Matt Braun

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On 7/16/2023 at 10:32 AM, Minderbinder said:

You're welcome.  I applaud any effort to examine the condition of the Twins' farm system.  Given that the FO doesn't shy away from signing reconstructed arms and shoulders (or just like to absorb risk as in Mahle's and Prielipp's cases), however, one might be wise to condition any pitcher's appraisal on whether he's pre- or post-TJ.  Twins' pitching prospects lists seem to blow up monthly.  As examples of caution, SWR's regression and the tender way they handle Raya smells as if there's something physical that hasn't been disclosed yet.  

I just don't see the Twins as being unique in pitcher health. Prielipp was a risk they knew about, sure, but other than Canterino, this is (knock furiously on wood) as stable a group of arms you could probably ask for. Henriquez is the only other non-Prielipp or Canterino arm to hit the IL this year, I believe. 

Dman

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I think that is a solid list I really only have one major quibble. I think Rosario should probably be in the top 10 for hitters in the system.  He is ahead of Schobel for OPS at high A.  He is patient enough to have more walks than Schobel as well. Oh, and he is about two years younger.  

I get Schobel likely is a plus defender and I don't think Rosario ever will be but the hit tool trumps all tools and Rosario has one of the best in the Midwest league.  I think you are too low on him. 

Matt Braun

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6 hours ago, Dman said:

I think that is a solid list I really only have one major quibble. I think Rosario should probably be in the top 10 for hitters in the system.  He is ahead of Schobel for OPS at high A.  He is patient enough to have more walks than Schobel as well. Oh, and he is about two years younger.  

I get Schobel likely is a plus defender and I don't think Rosario ever will be but the hit tool trumps all tools and Rosario has one of the best in the Midwest league.  I think you are too low on him. 

Maybe. I can't get over the strikeouts even if they are a career-low for him. Rest assured he will rise if he continues to hit, though. 

Dman

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2 minutes ago, Matt Braun said:

Maybe. I can't get over the strikeouts even if they are a career-low for him. Rest assured he will rise if he continues to hit, though. 

Strikeouts are a concern for me too but I see you put Wallner 4th and he had a higher K rate at an older age at High A and until this year at AAA has had K rates into the 30% range.  Rosario is currently around a 26% K rate and with his 14% walk rate that seems pretty workable to me.  It very similar to Wallner's numbers at AAA this year.  I think Rosario is on that path and might end up slightly better hard to say as he just turned 21 in July.

I think he has been more focused on working counts this year and not always worried about hitting HR's.  Personally I think his profile looks better than Wallners did at that level and Wallner is at number 4.  That is why I think he is bit low on the list.

jkcarew

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Your summaries of Rosario and DeAndrade are confusing.

You say DeAndrade probably won’t stick at short? Why? Who is saying this? Meanwhile, he’s 19 and has a 362 OBP and a 762 OPS in the Florida State League. How is that not at least pretty good? Noah Miller, who you have ranked much higher, was at 627 at 19 in the FSL. If that discrepancy holds, Miller would have to be Ozzie Smith with the glove to make up the difference.

You mention Rosario’s hit tool is shakey. And you worry about his K’s. Why? BA 275, OBP 386…and K’ing at 26%…which is about the same as the ‘good stretch’ that you site for Rodriquez. 25% is a sign of good things to come for Rodriquez, but 26% is a red flag for Rosario?? And Rosario just turned 21, drafted out of HS in Hawaii…it’s not like he’s that much more of a finished project than is Rodriquez.

Beast

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Not a gripe with the list in any way.  It’s perfectly reasonable.  

But, for my money, I like Festa as the #1 pitcher. Priellip is much lower for me, I’m not sure I like the odds of him becoming a quality starting pitcher in the big leagues with his injury issues.  All the talent in the world doesn’t matter if you can’t use it (see Buxton).  Maybe he transitions to the bullpen?  If so, he can’t be that high.

As far as hitters, The shine has worn off of Rodriguez a bit.  I’m tempted to slide him down past Jenkins.  It’ll be interesting to see where those two are in relation to each other on top 100 lists (if included).

It can’t be disputed that Brooks Lee is #1 with a bullet after his recent hot streak.  In his last 8 games he has 14 hits, 27 total bases, 4 doubles, 3 HR, 11 RBI, 6 BB, 5 K.  He hit .356/.444/.644 in July.  Since July 7, he increased his batting average nearly 20 points and his OPS over 50 points. That’s in AA while being 2.5 years younger than average. He’s on fire.

Matt Braun

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On 7/18/2023 at 7:59 PM, jkcarew said:

Your summaries of Rosario and DeAndrade are confusing.

You say DeAndrade probably won’t stick at short? Why? Who is saying this? Meanwhile, he’s 19 and has a 362 OBP and a 762 OPS in the Florida State League. How is that not at least pretty good? Noah Miller, who you have ranked much higher, was at 627 at 19 in the FSL. If that discrepancy holds, Miller would have to be Ozzie Smith with the glove to make up the difference.

You mention Rosario’s hit tool is shakey. And you worry about his K’s. Why? BA 275, OBP 386…and K’ing at 26%…which is about the same as the ‘good stretch’ that you site for Rodriquez. 25% is a sign of good things to come for Rodriquez, but 26% is a red flag for Rosario?? And Rosario just turned 21, drafted out of HS in Hawaii…it’s not like he’s that much more of a finished project than is Rodriquez.

On Andrade:

"...though scouts now think he’s filled out to the point where he’ll be limited to second and third base on defense," quoted from Eric Longenhagen's prospect writeup. Also Minnesota's habit of handing him playing time at third, even if that slowed in 2023. Miller was just two spots ahead, and it doesn't matter anyways; tier matters more to me than specific rankings, meaning he could be as high as six in my rankings. I realize now I failed to make that clear in this article.

On Rosario:

 It's relative for each player. Rodriguez can strike out that much because he walks more and has tapped into his power more consistently than Rosario, even if that's evened out more this season. Plus Rodriguez brings more to the table on the defensive end. 

Hawkeye Bean Counter

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I understand underrating the just drafted players but there is some major issues here.  Jenkins below Rodriguez?  Jenkins is likely a top 100 prospect and then you have Winokur no where to be found? 

Pitching is where I think your rankings are way off. Soto is above Festa and its not even a question.    Hall is a much more refined and quality pitcher than Morris,  again no where to be found.  By the end of this season or middle of next season I have a feeling much of your 12 to 20 pitching prospects will be dominated by the 2023 draft class.   I can understand not rating them until they show up, but I would have Quested and Dunn on the list now.  Pasqualotto Langenberg Lee and Dougherty are all likely better than your 13-16 prospects now but I am willing to let this play out first.  

Hawkeye Bean Counter

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Just saw a ranking that had the top 60 prospects and had Rodriguez a couple spots ahead of Jenkins both in the top 30 along with Lee.  

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