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Front Page: Let's Talk About Willians Astudillo
jorgenswest replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
My favorite Astudillo moment last year was his pinch hit against Boston. My take here is probably better than going by my memory. http://twinsdaily.com/blog/36/entry-11646-baldelli-and-line-ups-which-twin-has-faced-the-best-pitching/ I don’t know how much Astudillo helps but if you have runners in scoring position and need a ball in play against an extreme strike out pitcher he might not be a bad option. -
Poor defense has side effects that are not seen in the individual runs saved calculations. More balls in play leads to longer more stressful innings, shorter starts and a greater burden on the pen. Poorer pitching results. As a team the Twins turned 69% of balls in play into outs ranking 25th. The Astros and Dodgers were at 73% followed by the A’s, Marlins and Cardinals. The Twins were in the depths with the Royals, Red Sox and Rangers and slightly better than the a Pirates and Tigers. They need to do better this year.
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Hill is the midseason acquisition and if he returns and pitches they are around 150 million. If he doesn’t return I think they try to add a pitcher with those dollars. They had an opportunity to add pitching by giving Ryu the Donaldson money and then they could have added a bat at 1B for the Hill or Bailey commitment. They went with Donaldson and I think I agree. Short of trading significant prospect capital for a young pitcher on smaller salary I think they have chosen to wait.
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You might want to watch his 2 August starts against the Yankees or his September start against the Astros. Can you find a starter that was more effective against the Yankees last year? I am certain no one wearing a Twin uniform was more effective or even close to as effective.
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No. They do not need to add pitching. If they do it has to be at the top and pushing Bailey to the pen. They need to develop pitching and at some point that means devoting major league starts to promising pitchers who have shown sustained success at the upper levels of minors. Thorpe needs the opportunity. Graterol needs a spot if he has a good start at AAA. Smeltzer and Dobnak both have a chance to take another step this year. I hope that group combines for at least 40 starts. The Twins needs one to emerge. They can’t emerge or grow if they are in the pen or on the shuttle. No they don’t need to add more though I do acknowledge every team would say yes they need to add a front starter. If that is the bar there is nothing to discuss.
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Front Page: FEINSAND: Twins to Sign Josh Donaldson
jorgenswest replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Twins are a lot better off with Donaldson in the their clubhouse than the visitor’s clubhouse. One excerpt from Rosenthal and the Athletic with a quote from Freeman. In an early Donaldson thread I posted links to other articles about Donaldson and the clubhouse. They are similar. I would want this guy in my clubhouse. -
Front Page: FEINSAND: Twins to Sign Josh Donaldson
jorgenswest replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think they could have addressed pitching by offering Ryu this contract. When the top four signed with their preferred destinations the Twins chose pursuing Donaldson over Ryu. I can’t argue with the decision though I may have in some thread earlier. I was certain Donaldson would go to Atlanta and the Twins would be left with nothing. Ryu seemed the one sure player who would sign for the best offer. Good work front office. They read the Braves and Nationals correctly and must have stood close to their original offer. -
The risk of injury goes both ways. He would have more motivation to make a deal now than he would one year away from free agency. Signing any pitcher long term carries a risk of injury. I would bet on Berrios because of his age and his work ethic. He keeps himself in great physical condition. When he gets that injury I am confident that he give every effort to getting back on the field and get there quicker. I would pay the starting pitcher premium to lock up two more years of control. It doesn’t need to be team friendly. Pay up.
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Front Page: Twins and 2020 Arbitration
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Do you worry about Berrios’ attitude in particular or the attitude of any young player in general as it relates to getting an extension? It seems to me that a Berrios takes great pride in his performance and his conditioning and preparation seem to show it. I am not concerned that an extension would foster an attitude where he would be less motivate to be a top pitcher. The risk in a Berrios extension is the same in signing any pitcher to a long term deal. Injury. Even in the case of injury I think his work habits and conditioning will give him a better chance of a full and quicker recovery.- 80 replies
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The Twins did fail to sign him and they could have signed him. Is that where we disagree? Whether they should have signed him is a different conversation. It was not the lack of Asian community that kept Ryu from signing with the Twins. It was dollars. Your point about his value is well taken and I think we agree but it is irrelevant to whether or not he would have come to Minnesota.
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I buy everything here but Ryu. The top 4 had a specific team they targeted. Not Ryu. From the Toronto Sun the day of signing. “Ryu maintains that the strong Korean community in Toronto didn’t influence his decision to come here — money and the promising young team talked loudest.” If the money were the same I think Ryu selects Toronto. Later in the article they wrote about how excited he is about the Korean community in Toronto. It was on the Twins to talk loud on the money. I don’t know about the off season but I think it is fair to say the Twins failed to sign Ryu with an emphasis on fail.
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Front Page: Twins and 2020 Arbitration
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Pay up and buy two years of free agency from Berrios. It doesn’t need to be team friendly. There is a contract the will win this deal and the Twins have the resources to make it happen.- 80 replies
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Berrios is the most critical to get an extension. He has to be number 1. No loss would hurt the Twins more this year and probably the next two. Why not double his projected pay the next two years and then give him market rate for three more? Doesn’t Berrios take that deal? It is so much more guaranteed money in the next three years and every arm is fragile looking that far out. I really would like them to aggressively get extensions on Berrios, Sano and Buxton. With those extensions they join Kepler and Polanco as a core of valuable assets, It can be done. Every deal doesn’t have to be a team friendly deal. Pay up with a big boost this year to entice them. They aren’t spending the money anywhere else.
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Demand? I am not that emotionally attached. I will follow the team and baseball whether they add pitching or not. I think the Twins are going to need to do something rare to acquire starting pitching, Given the alternatives I suggest the Twins be willing to give up from their best hitting prospects in order to find that pitching. Is there any other way right now? Not a demand though. I will be following the same either way.
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Reading through this thread I think you are suggesting the Twins should not aggressively pursue starting in pitching in trade. By aggressive I mean pursue an available pitcher they feel can help and then beat the offers of other teams in a deal that would likely be seen as an overpay. I don’t see anyone in free agency that will help. It needs to b a trade but maybe Archer isn’t playoff caliber. How about Ray or any pitcher you might prefer more that has been seen as available? What far would you go to get Ray or other identified pitcher? I am suggesting the Twins overpay starting from their strength in outfield prospects in order to win a deal for a playoff caliber starting pitcher.
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Trading Larnach for Archer is probably a deal you lose on. You probably also lose on giving Ryu a four year deal. Those losses are relative though. The Twins have the salary space to absorb that loss. They also have the prospect capital at the corner OF spot to absorb that loss. Find a trade partner looking for that bat first prospect and get the best starter you can. If it takes Larnach for Archer. Do it. Even if it feels like it is too much. With that trade there is high likelihood that the 2020 team wins more games. I would go after Ray first and then offer him an extension he can’t refuse boosting his salary this year and locking in three more.
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Nick- Always fun I know that trade asset is different from the definition of asset in your post but I was interested what the computer algorithms at baseball trade values placed the top 20 Twin trade assets. Numbers 20-16 ranked by median trade value. 20: Astudillo (8.0) - Already shakes my faith in the valuation system. Willians position, options, control and contract all give him trade value. 19: Sano (8.1) - two years of control, inconsistency and arb status hurt his trade value 18: Duffey (8.3) - a year ago I didn’t perceive any value. Thanks to Wes Johnson and tunneling he has become an asset. 17: Matt Wallner (8.3) - power hitting corner prospect drafted 35th overall in 2019. The next wave behind Kirilloff and company. I don’t buy the values put on players who haven’t played AA yet but encouraging to see the depth here. 16: Misael Urbina (8.3)- 17 year old centerfield prospect with good speed, walks and few strike outs. A long way away but encouraging to see.
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Thanks. He really is a great story. I think he gets a shot at those early starts with Pineda and Hill out and makes it hard for the Twins to take him out of the rotation when they return. Keeping hitters off balance and sequencing are key for him. He is going to throw his off speed and breaking stuff more than half the time. They have got to get that mix right.

