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From the OP: It’s also worth noting that this all represents, in most cases, a best-case scenario. It assumes Matt Wallner, Edouard Julien, and Royce Lewis continue to thrive; that Brooks Lee and Louis Varland can earn MLB spots despite likely starting in Triple A; and that Ober, Ryan, and Chris Paddack all stay healthy and productive enough to become fixtures in the rotation. ------------------------------------------------- Um, if a) Varland, Ober, Ryan and Paddack are healthy and productive and join Lopez in the rotation; b) Wallner, Julien and Lewis thrive; c) they are joined by Lee (and Kirilloff/Larnach/Martin; and d) implied is that Correa, Buxton, Garver/Vazquez are successful, it's not like they have a huge need for other big expenditures. I'm with @Cory Engelhardt. Let's hold off on the sky is falling articles. We have all of next offseason for those...
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And Spotrac may be more accurate. I confess to going to baseball-reference.com for anything I can find there, including that it's easier to get to the salary info. Just find the player and scroll down. But I think that section is less complete than the other parts. It's not unusual to see gaps of a couple years. I see Spotrac has a figure for 2017, which BBR doesn't. I'm guessing that's the proration of whatever minimum salary was that year? (Bottom line is that we hope Duran pitches well enough to earn himself a big raise. 😃 Jax too.)
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Agree that we "hope" Farmer's option doesn't get picked up (and that he gets traded instead?), because Lee, et al., proved him to be redundant. Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like Hader did get a sizable jump in Arb 1. If this is accurate, $1 million may be significantly underselling Duran's raise. (Let me know if I've misread, and I'll cut this part.)
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I concur on both statements, particularly the second. After a lot of folks spent last year saying, "Play the kids," maybe that's what they are expecting to do on the SP side. I'm not smart enough to guess whether they will be right, but it's encouraging if they are indeed that high on them. I think you also make a crucial distinction between signing a 1 vs. 2+ year deal. At most, I could see a 1 + option for someone like Thor. I was intrigued with the thought of Ryu, but it looks like he's headed back home.
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I only quoted part that responded to my post. I agree with your take on both of these. Though I noted that mutual options are rarely taken, Alcala's is the kind that might. EDIT to add: It made me wonder why they would have put in a mutual option with Alcala, since he's still Arb eligible. If I'm reading this right, according to https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/minnesota-twins/jorge-alcala-32837/, it's actually a team option, which makes more sense. In his case, they have essentially locked in their Arb 3 agreement for 2025 if they want it, in exchange for giving Alcala what amounts to a $55k parting gift if they choose to non-tender him.
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In terms of comments... Some will continue to name dumping Vazquez as a way of saving money. I'm not so sure. Either he plays well and the Twins want to retain him at $10M or he plays poorly and the Twins would have to cover a part of his salary to trade him. Farmer and Alcala are both on mutual options. These rarely get taken. Either the player plays poorly and the team declines it or the player plays well and wants to test the market. (EDIT to add: As noted in a comment I make below, it looks Alcala's is actually a team option.) From a roster management standpoint, it's hard not to see Larnach and some of the guys in the Arb 2/Arb 3 category as non-tender candidates. We can't guess which ones at this point, but probably one or two or more. If they all play well and are worth tendering, that's a great problem to have!
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@Peter Labuza, this is a really, really great layout and reflects what a number of us seem to be thinking about their spending this offseason. If you are up to it, I'd love to see the addition of a "2024 total: ___ million" in each grouping. Beyond that, are Buxton, Vazquez (no change) and the various pre-arb players the only ones missing? Buxton and Vazquez are basically their own category, "Contracts with no change."
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Plus you can control his workload much better as a starter than by trying to squeeze in a bullpen outing or two. I'd also consider slotting Paddack in at No. 2 in the rotation. Pitching the day after Lopez is the best likelihood of pitching with a rested bullpen.
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3 True Lies From the Twins Offseason
IndianaTwin replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Vazquez is signed through 2025. If they do find a trade partner, there's a decent chance they have to kick in some cash. So either it's just Kepler's $10M that's gone or it's maybe $16M-$17M gone from Kepler and Vazquez. Either way, Lopez himself uses up $13.5M of the savings, so they are already at close to a wash without dealing with the increases for young guys.- 108 replies
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Even though they could get by without a 5th starter, the Twins haven't typically skipped that spot when they've had that opportunity in the past. Assuming health, they aren't going to/can't option Lopez, Ober, Ryan, Paddack and DeSclafini, so there's no reason to skip one. If someone is hurt, they might consider doing that with Varland, carrying an extra reliever for a time. They would need Varland by the LA April 8-10 series. Even so, I'm guessing they won't do that, since that would mean jumping guys immediately into pitching on four days rest heading into a stretch with just one off day between April 6 and May 1. I think they will look to the off days in the first nine days of the schedule to make sure that guys are well rested heading into that longer stretch, In a bit of an anomaly, with the two-game series in Milwaukee, Lopez would likely get both the Opening Day start and the home opener. Usually that's two different guys.
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Yes, to the request for captions. And if that's Mays, it has to be from early in his career. Later, he used a Wilson.
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If Lewis is on the list, should Canterino be as well? He’s on the 40-man, whereas Festa, Raya and Lewis are not.
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3 True Lies From the Twins Offseason
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Amen, @Nashvilletwin. All offseason, many have been honked off that the Twins stated last fall that the payroll was going down. As armchair accountants, many of us have claimed that it didn't need to, blah, blah, blah, without truly having an understanding of their finances and where they are going in years to come. It may or may not have needed to go down. I don't know about that, but I generally trust people who have more information over those who have less. But if they were going to choose to have it go down, it makes total sense to name that to the public in advance. It's a truism of public relations that you want to be transparent when presenting bad news. Look at it another way, folks. If they hadn't announced that spending would be down, the natural assumption on TD is likely that it's going to increase. If it was $159M last year, folks here would be assuming that this year would be $165M or more. Can you imagine how freaked people would be at this point if they were expecting $165M and we ended up where we are now?- 108 replies
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All food needs to be sold in plastic helmets, because let's face it, all food tastes better when it's served that way. Seriously, these are great ideas. The kids free suggestions provides a challenge in that they need to be ticketed in some way, but the ridiculous bargains of old ($28 gets four tickets, four sodas, four dogs, etc.) would go a long way.
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I'm not doubting that Tampa Bay had a great bullpen and used it effectively, but I'm not convinced by the stats that this was their intention. The reason they only had one starter over 120 innings is that Glasnow and McClanahan only made 21 starts each due to injury. Give them another 10 starts like Eflin had, and they are also in the 160-180 inning range The three of them averaged 5.6 innings in the games they did start, not a particularly unusual number. Additionally, a key reason they were low in the innings per start category as a team is that they used an Opener quite a bit. All you have to do is take out the 14 games started by Jalen Beeks and Shawn Armstrong, where they went a total of 26.2 innings and their 4.8 innings per start becomes more than 5.1. It looks like they had other guys who were used as Openers on occasion as well. As to the Twins, Lopez threw 194 innings and Ryan and Ober were each over 160 last year, if you count Ober's minor league starts. If they are healthy, there's no reason to think they won't match those. If you're saying that it's good to have a strong bullpen in case your Nos. 4 and 5 starters don't go as long as the top three guys, that doesn't seem particularly novel.
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Add me as a PNC raver. It's been a few years since I've been there, so I don't know current ticket prices (though given that it's the Pirates, they shouldn't have increased too much!), but it's the one place where I splurge for a higher-priced ticket somewhere behind home plate. The view from there is worth the extra Bucs (see what I did there?).
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Pitchers and Catchers Report Poem - 2024
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How Far Has the Twins Rotation Fallen?
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People see 2024 Paddack and 2023 Maeda and consider it a wash, because both are coming back from TJS, but there are three significant differences. Paddack is eight years younger. More importantly, he’s four months further removed from his TJS, and his rehab went well enough that he actually pitched at the end of last year. Said another way, on Opening Day, Paddack will be just over a month short of the second anniversary of his surgery. Based on what we saw last year, I think Paddack is going to much closer to full strength on Opening Day than Maeda was a year ago. Will Paddack make it the full season? Who knows, but through his first four starts with the Twins (before the short start that led to the surgery), he had a 3.15 ERA.- 79 replies
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Kansas City: I prefer https://www.arthurbryantsbbq.com/ over https://gatesbbq.com/, but you can't go wrong with either. There are others on the scene that are trendier, but these are the earliest entries in the John Deere vs. Farmall-type discussions. Also, Arthur Bryant's is right around the corner from the Negro League Baseball Museum, a must-see if you haven't been there yet (and worth a revisit if you have). As stadia go, I give Kauffman major props for having modernized in a way that doesn't detract, but rather adds, to the ambience. I hope to make a return trip there this summer to commemorate the Golden Anniversary of my first major league baseball game as a kid. Alas, the Royals are on the road July 13, so I'll have to choose an alternate date. Milwaukee: Folks on TD have mixed feelings on this park. I will say that of all the MLB parks, I have found this one to be the most accessible for someone with a physical limitation/mobility challenges. If that's a factor for you, know that you will be in good stead here.
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The difference is a stop-and-start in the two inning appearance, along with an extra warmup time with an additional eight pitches. It's been 45 years since I've thrown anything but a batting practice pitch, so I can't speak from experience, but teams seem to consider that factor seriously and try to avoid it. Only going from memory, it seems like when outings last from one inning to the next, it's much more often that they have finished and inning and then get a full inning (and probably on less than the top end of your 5-9 range) than it is to pitch even a short full inning and then go back out to start the next. They seem very reluctant to send out a pitcher (other than perhaps a starter) without the plan that they will pitch the full inning.
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What's the purpose of the internet if not to speculate on things without complete information? /s
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Correct -- someone can be put on the 60-day at the beginning of spring training, but the 60-day calendar itself doesn't start until Opening Day.
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Of note is that the 48 games from Headrick/Sands/Winder produced 82 innings, so it's not really fair to compare that to Lopez's 37 games that produced 35.1 innings. Rather than calling someone a "stretch" reliever, I prefer to think of him as No. 8. The reality is that there's always going to be games when the bullpen is relatively tired and/or the game has gotten out of hand, so you want someone to pitch the ninth and/or eighth who isn't going to negatively affect the next game or two. The No. 8 role also has another function, which is to audition for the No. 7, 6, 5... role. Whether you talk about Duran, Jax, Stewart or Thielbar, none came into their current role immediately. They worked themselves up the food chain. The place to start is No. 8. Prove yourself and you can become No. 7, 6, 5... Even if you look back at Duran, four of his first seven appearances went 2.0 innings and nearly all were pretty low leverage. He moved up the ladder quickly, but he started out on a low rung. Others have followed the same trajectory, even if they didn't move as quickly or as high as Duran. Sure, the preference is to have eight lights-out guys who could all step in to pitch two shut-down innings, but that's not going to happen. There's always going to be an eighth guy in the pen. What the Twins have done in pursuing depth is put themselves into position to have a better No. 8 than they have had in the past. (Also, aren't indications that Canterino and Woods Richardson will be in St. Paul, working as starters, knowing that they need a No. 8, 9, 10 on that side as well?)
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