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Wait! Huh? So Lewis was handled poorly and not given a good opportunity to stick at SS after TWO knee surgeries, a gain of about 20+ pounds of muscle, and the signing of Correa, who happens to be one of the greatest SS of his generation? The Twins did NOT assign Martin to SS. The Jays did that. The Twins kept him there when they acquired him at the deadline. If the Twins made a mistake, it was in not moving him off of SS the following season as I don't believe anyone every believed he would stick at SS. Right or wrong, the Twins reportedly kept him at SS stating he could learn more there from an experience perspective if he were to remain on the dirt at 2B or 3B. Of course, it was also reported they felt he was a "natural" OF and could move there easily. And I dare say we've all been underwhelmed by what we've seen of him out there. Should they have moved him sooner? Perhaps. But they are not the ones who moved him to SS I guess I don't understand where Lee fits in to the equation. He was drafted as a SS, has played primarily SS when coming up...even has some at the ML level...but it's been somewhat accepted he would be better at 2B or 3B. So where exactly have the Twins potentially errored here? He didn't hit well in his debut and had an injury because they played him too much at SS? I just don't know that I see the correlation regarding Lee and the theme of the OP. But I have to add, except for special cases like TOP prospects that might include SS or CF that might stick at one position almost exclusively, virtually ALL MILB players move around, and usually have. They do this to increase the likelihood of making the majors, possibly not at their original position which may already be manned by an even better player, but also because in MILB you want/need everyone to play. It's about development and opportunity, not just playing the best starting 9/10 and letting other players sit on the bench and never develop. So catchers play 1B and DH to keep getting AB's while other catcher play. CF play the corners so they get AB's, but other CF options get to play. Same with SS, and just about any other position. Now, if you want to argue/debate about the Twins not doing a good enough job of drafting/signing young SS that can STICK at SS at the ML level, I'm willing to listen and probably agree. But I really don't see anything debatable or wrong in the handling of the names mentioned in this article, save perhaps moving Martin straight to 2B, or permanently to the OF sooner.

As of today, Lewis and Lee appear to be the best fits at 3B, with Lewis probably having a slightly/somewhat stronger arm. (Yes. Castro can play it well also, but he's probably gone next year). Meanwhile, 2B might also be manned by Julien, or Eeles, or Keaschall in addition to Lee. (Martin can also play decently there it appears). For this reason alone, I'd have Lewis at 3B and roll through the more numerous options at 2B.

With no insult to the amazing HOF Harmon Killebrew...who moved around a lot...Gaetti and Koski were the best 3B I've seen in a Twins uniform in my 50+ years of being a fan. BOTH had struggles early. Gaetti had "hands of stone" until he didn't. Koskie was "too tall and awkward" until he wasn't. I often reference to Lewis at 3B when examining the careers of both of them. While their careers don't necessarily overlap one another, I often wonder about the horrible/unfair injuries that robbed Koskie and Mauer and Mournea. Smalley should be next.

I wasn't big on Keaschall being drafted initially because I felt they sort of drafted the same player in Schobel in 2022. Boy was I wrong about that! All he's done is flash a contact bat with pop/power, speed, and OB% ability. His defense is the question mark. He was primarily a SS before moving to 2B for Arizona State, but did bounce around the OF and INF here and there in college. I don't say his defense is a question mark because he can't play defense, it's about where he fits best. He's a good athlete who has the speed to play the OF, but has most of his experience in the dirt. Because the Twins KNEW he needed TJ surgery, he spent most of 2024 at 1B/DH/OF. They timed his surgery so he could play as much as he could before going under the knife to be ready for 2025. I'm not saying he won't have a permanent position with the Twins at some point. But if Lee and Lewis hold down 3B and 2B, I can see Keaschall taking his athleticism to 1B, while being able to play elsewhere. But I can easily see him being a potential Castro replacement in 2026 if Castro isn't brought back. The offense plays. The athleticism plays at multiple positions. The future is undetermined. But he's part of the Twins lineup at some point in 2025. And he might be the #1 batter for several years when he arrives.

I'm going to just put my own spin on things at this point. 1] Dan Hayes has reported that the interest in Vazquez by SD is real. They were in on him 2 years ago when the Twins got him with a 3rd year. SD doesn't like their current catchers due to poor offense and poor defense. They're interested in Vazquez to lead their staff. ] Also according to Hayes, the Padres don't necessarily want to move Cease as they have a TON of guaranteed $ locked up and they still want to compete, but they also want to trim payroll where they can as they have an ongoing fight of who is going to "own" the team and be in control. Cease has come up as a result, but he and Vazquez are presumably 2 entirely different conversations, not necessarily tied together. (Doesn't mean things couldn't change). 3] Falvey has always run the team with a personal mantra of "what can I do NOW to improve the team without sacrificing the future". I don't see him suddenly changing gears now. That doesn't mean questions asked about Cease's availability aren't genuine. You ALWAYS ask! But if the Twins were forced to trade a trio of top 15 picks for ONE YEAR of Cease, i believe Falvey would balk. 4] NEITHER Vazaquez or Paddack are going to bring back some top prospect, or prime starting player with any type of control. Zoll has publicly stated the payroll could stay neutral and be OK to start the season. Let's take him at his published word. IF Paddack and Vazquez could be moved, possibly along with a low level prospect or two, the Twins POTENTIALLY have $17M to work with. Moving BOTH of those expiring deals allows them to POTENTIALLY: A] Sign a veteran backup catcher like Diaz, McCann, or Grandal for a 70-30 split with Jeffers for $2-3M B] Sign a RHOF like Grichuk for $4-5M. Career mostly neutral splits, not a "specialist". C] Sign a LHRP such as Chafin or Poche for $3-4M, mostly neutral splits, not a LOOGY only. D] Sign a 1B/DH option like France, only 30yo, who MIGHT be a rebound candidate, for $4-5M The $ numbers fit. The players might change. There's a LOT of decent players still players still looking for work with 3 weeks remaining before ST starts! This is working depth and the edges, but depth and edges that might increase the WIN total by a handful of games. But it's also IDEAL by the Twins CLEARING the $17.5M. What if they have to pay down each of Vazquez's and Paddack's salary somewhat? Maybe a combined $5M? Well then, ownership has to allow for a small bump. But what if at least one of these deals brings back ONE of the "needed" options back in a deal? MAYBE it's a RHOF or a solid LHRP? Then ONE of the proposed 4 needs are met as a neutral $ addition. There's opportunity for a variety of options for the FO to make this work if things play out right for them, and actually ADD to the 2025 roster. Especially if ownership is willing to bump even a couple $M to field a better team for potential buyers to see. (A comment made by Hayes that I don't think should be dismissed). Personally, I would drop any illusions that the Twins are IN on Cease. As mixed up as the Padres are right now, i don't believe they would move him unless they got at least 2 TOP prospects/players that are ready now. And i just can't see SWR/Festa/Matthews AND Keaschall for a 1 year rental.

Win probability for the Vikings in 2024 was around 7.5. I never quite bought in to that. There were questions about depth, and MOSTLY about QB. And we can blame Darnold all we want to, but OL play had a major impact in how things ended. But to simply ignore what Darnold did this season is a dismissal of his talent, and what KOC has done as a coach building a system and a team. Its also why I was surprised just how good this season was with questions at QB, the OL, and a sudden rebuild at CB due to injury and death. I've stated in the preseason where holes were, and have repeatedly stated the same. FA and the next 2 drafts have the potential to fill those holes and actually make this a team who could be a legitimate SB contender. You play who you play. And from year to year, you never take any team for granted. The Vikings had a great season and rose above expectations despite some holes, and some quick fixes by the FO. The next chapter is McCarthy leading the team and FA $ and the draft fixing the holes in the team to rise to another level. And I think it's time to let go a fun and expired season and get ready for 2025 and beyond.

This is just preposterous! 70-75 % of ALL pitching is RH! And we want to fall deeper in to the trap of too much platooning? Part of the young players not facing enough LHP is a trap already set. Wallner got more time against LHP in 2024 because Kepler was hurt. Platooning, to some degree, makes sense. I'd LOVE a decent, solid, RHOF who doesn't STINK against RHP to give Larnach and Wallner a break, and have them coming off the bench as needed. There's still a few guys waiting for jobs we might bring in cheap in the next couple of weeks. But trading Larnach because he's good, might be better yet, and move him BECAUSE he bats from the strong side is beyond ridiculous! Between Rodriguez this season, and POSSIBLY Jenkins in 2026, I can see a move of Larnach. But not NOW. BTW, I'm just sick and tired of the ongoing mantra that the Twins need a RHOF to play CF for when Buxton needs a day off, or is injured. WHY? Why do the Twins need a RH option when Buxton sits or is injured? Does the league suddenly throw nothing but LHSP against the Twins? Is there some bizarre TWIGHLIGHT ZONE scenario where only LHSP face the Twins? OK, I have a certain angst in this situation, LOL. But if Keirsey finally gets a chance to be a ML player who can cover CF adequately, play the corner spots as well, and be a viable PR, what's wrong with him hitting LH? If Buck is out for 2 weeks, I'd rather have a LH hitting OF who plays good defense in his stead vs another Margot! We're still talking about 70-75% of all arms throwing from the RH side. Can we just STOP once and for all about the NEED for a RHOF to back up Buxton.

I think a year further removed from his 2nd TJ, there's a reasonable chance Paddack can maintain his velocity better. As I understand it, his vaunted changup wasn't as good last season. With more consistent velocity, his improved breaking ball, and a better feel for his change, he brings potential value. That's why teams have shown interest. It's also what makes him interesting to just keep as well. WITH Paddack, one of Festa or SWR begins the year in St Paul as Ober did to begin 2023. It's not "fair", but it provides depth that will be needed at some point. I have a lot of good feelings about Matthews, Morris, Lewis, and Raya. (I think Adams might be the next Jax/Sands). And I'd rather give Mathews and the others a little more time at AAA vs having to rely on them "too soon". Paddack could start in the rotation and move to the pen later. Potential win-win foe the Twins if they keep him. But moving him...possibly with a lower level prospect thrown in...might allow a little room for a couple of adds to the rest of the roster. There's still a lot of decent ballplayers out there looking for jobs. Paddack's $7.5M COULD be just enough for a LHRP like Chaffin or Poche, still available, and with mostly neutral splits. And there's a handful of RHOF still looking for work that might have to settle for a 1yr deal of about $3-4M. Paddack might be able to allow those couple of signings on his own. It means someone might get called up sooner than hoped for, but you manage to work the edges of the roster to an advantage. IDEALLY, someone out there has a young RHOF that is blocked or superfluous they would be willing to move for Paddack and a decent, lower level prospect. Cubs, Brewers, Orioles, who's looking for a bonus arm for the backend of their rotation and might have a young RH bat to move? That would be ideal! Then you can grab said LHRP with some track record, and MAYBE sneak in Turner on a cheap 1yr deal, though it might push the payroll. Maybe France who has some bounceback potential at only 30yo? Moving Paddack takes away pitching depth and makes the Twins trust in their collection of young arms a little quicker than they might like. But if they find the right deal, and get back a decent ML player option, with his $7.5M gone, they might end up with a 3 for 2 that can deepen the 2025 roster. I am COMPLETELY OUT on moving Castro for ANY reason unless blown away. I have some belief, and a lot of hope, that Keirsey and Helman and an improved Martin can make a decent bench with speed, athleticism, and versatility. But the bench is questionable enough as is without removing Castro.

IF Vazquez was moved for all, or nearly all, of his salary, I would be on board with it. And it's not because he's a bad guy or some awful catcher. But he's been lousy with the bat, and is gone after this season. And you might be able to grab Diaz, Grandal, or McCann for $2-3M this late in the offseason, and have a few $M left over to try to add someone else. But if moving him costs a quality prospect, or only saves about $5M, it's just not worth it. Play Jeffers 100 games and hope for the best in regard to Vazquez's bat. What's so confusing about me is the following: .259/ .323/ .503/ .826 with 16 Dbls and 21 HR and 63 RBI while throwing out 25% of would be base stealers, which is down from his career percentage of 30%. That's Jair Camargo in St Paul in 2023, after moving up and continuing to improve from his decent 2022 A+/AA numbers. I understand wanting to play the ML guys who are earning bigger $, but to just ignore a kid with power and a strong arm and settle for a 60 OPS just makes no sense to me.

My opinion is such a mixed bag that it's hard to say. I don't like adding the "cheaters" from the steroid days...but...some of them were so damned good before the supposedly juiced that it's hard to say no. I'm thinking Bonds and others. Maybe down the road for the veterand committee with an asterisks by their name? I'm a believer in BOTH length of service time and quality despite supposed lack of dominance...Kaat and Blyleven for example...as well as pure dominance over a shortened career due to injury...think Puckett, Oliva, and Koufax. I always think about guys who were just dominate in an 8-10 year stretch. And I tend to look at numbers posted differently because every decade the game does subtly change. Through a 10yr stretch of the late 80's and early 90's, Jack Morris was just a STUD. The same way Verlander has been in the aughts. You just never wanted to face him. I'm not a fan of Harold Baines being in the HOF personally...not because he played for the Dirty Sox...but because I think he snuck in between the category of really good for a long time, and dominate for a 7-8yr time frame. I don't have an answer. But were I a voter, and if I was going to leave out steroid users for NOW, my criteria would be very good for a long period of time, occasionally dominate, and elite/dominate for a shorter period of time. Hard to not then vote for guys like Sabathia or King Felix. But I'm a bit prejudice that Koufax is IN while Santana is out. Yes, call me a Homer. LOL. Posthumous, I would like to see Rose in the HOF. I know he broke a cardinal rule! But his career as a player still marks him as a HOF inductee at some point.

I have subtle questions about SWR going forward, and not because of his late season fade. My questions about him are tied to simply being a ML sophomore, and will he adapt from all he's experienced and learned, or will batters adjust more. Just questions about being a typical sophomore. I've read about his offspeed stuff having good STUFF+ ratings, FWIW. But there's a difference when you face ML batters. If he can maintain 93mph, give or take pitch to pitch, and can improve his change, I've got a lot more faith in him going forward. Could he add velocity? Perhaps. His arm and body need to adjust to 162 game schedule. He needs to at least MAINTAIN velocity, even if it doesn't climb. But he's young enough, and lanky enough, that a little more muscle and maturation might add a tick. But the numbers @mnfiremanpposted show a rookie who kept his team in games more often than not. IDK if he's got the K per 9 ability of Lopez, Ober, Ryan, and Festa, but there's a lot of ways to get guys out. Personally, while I love and appreciate K's and what they mean, if he only continues to K 7.9 per 9 but keeps the ball in the yard, doesn't BB many, and gets tons of outs on grounders, pop ups, liners, etc, and gets the job done I'm OK with that. But a couple more K's per game, a few less pitchers per inning, he could be that much better. Build his body up for endurance, get a better handle on his change, he could be a potential 8.5-9K arm who can go 6 IP, even without any big tick up in velocity. What impressed me the most about SWR during 2024 was about late June, through July, and some in early August before he ran out of gas was his demeanor on the mound. This also seemed to conside with him pitching 5+ IP at that time, but he became more animated. He wasn't showing off and pumping a fist, but he had a sort of "strut" on the mound. It was like he was saying to himself, "I got this. I can do this." I think character wise and confidence he's fine. A better change, more endurance, I think he's got the ability to be a quality ML SP. I'm still not sure Festa isn't the Twins #4 starter really soon though. *side comment: I was disappointed he changed his number from 78. Somehow, that number just seemed to fit him and all the miles he's traveled to reach this level.

While it was only a few innings, he did seem to look healthy. One would hope on offseason rest will have his knee more sound for 2025. But with an option still left...or is it 2?...I wouldn't be surprised if he starts in St Paul initially. I don't know that I see him with 69 IP and a .261 ERA again, but what about a 3.50-3.75 ERA and about 50 IP? I could see a healthy Topa doing that. Problem is, the pen might be in flux the first month or so until it settles a bit. Are they really going to stash Castellano all season on the ML roster as an occasional arm in blowouts? Tonkin and Topa are sort of the same pitcher, a solid 2 IP middle man, does Henriquez look good enough to be kept initially? There's a lot of depth, but some of the guys don't have options. So there might be some mixing and matching to begin with.

I don't like Castellano jumping from AA to take one of the valuable pen spots ans turning it in to a "stash" spot for an arm that's going to eat innings in blowouts once every 10-14 days. We've seen them do this with Sands, and others, and it usually just wastes a pen spot. And isn't Tonkin already best suited for 2+ IP every few days? If they really like him, they should trade for him. That frees up a spot for a LH, or for Henriquez to stick, at least initially, if he has a good ST. Not sure I see both Tonkin and Topa on the opening day roster, but it could happen. Since Topa has options I can see him begin at AAA. It may not be "fair" but it's a way to manage depth early in the year. Same with Varland who ABSOLUTELY should be in the pen at this point. He just doesn't have the ability to consistently go 5 good innings, much less more. But he's usually looked good when throwing 1-3. I'd have him as a RP immediately, and toss him 2 IP every time out, but he also could start in AAA initially. Keeping guys without options and having arms that might be better at AAA with options isn't how I'd like to build a pen. But I do see the method to the madness early in the season.

I don't want to see the Twins give up on him as a starter yet, and I don't think they want to either. Best option, IMO, is to start games at AA and go 2-3 IP as you think best based on pitch counts. He dominates enough at AA, then maybe jump him to AAA when it seems right. He can move to the pen later to save his arm, or potentially help the Twins later in the season. You still build up his innings to some degree, but can still preserve some bullets for later in the year. I just don't see any way he's ready for a Twins pen role right out of the gate, or early. But I also have doubts about moving him back to being a starter if he's in the pen all of 2025.

71.8 PFF grade for Blackmon as a rookie in 2023 where he was a starter or top reserve for about half the season. Definitely a good grade, 9 PBU and an interception as a rookie. He was penciled in as a probable starter before getting hurt and the FO having to scramble some. And yes, in his 2nd season and the current #5 S, Ward offers some potential and has been a decent ST performer. Compared to the 2022 class, 2023 looks almost outstanding.

I don't have great faith, but I have some hopes. They completely blew the 2022 draft! But they got 2 starters and a decent 3rd player in 2023. And so far, 2024 looks encouraging. And they've done well with FA and some rookie FA, so there IS an eye for talent working there. So I have a little hope they might be figuring it out.

Agree he's fine as a rebound candidate for AAA on a MILB deal. Is there room for him? Maybe. Once in a while you get a surprise the way we did with Thielbar and Stewart. But absolutely not on a ML deal and 40 man spot.

1] IMO, you build the best 8 man pen you can. Hopefully you have a bit of a mixed bag of arms that vary arm angles and pitches so the opposition gets different looks. IDEALLY, you have at least ONE good LH you can bank on. A second LH who's solid for middle innings is a luxury. But you have a mix or arms sitting at AAA that are a mix of young arms and maybe a veteran of two you can add to the 40 man, or who has an option, to replace anyone hurt, or if you just have to play the shuttle game here and there. 2] I think our FO is somewhat paranoid about depth. There's a good chance Henriquez makes the opening day roster with a good ST. He's got enough potential that it makes some sense, even though someone like Varland might have more upside and better pure stuff. Tonkin probably makes it over Topa initially because Topa has options. I GET wanting to build depth and hold on to it as long as you can. The depth issue decrease somewhat as the season moves along, gets shorter, guys prove themselves, prospects look good at AAA, etc. It's not exactly how I'd do it, but there's a method to the madness that I understand and appreciate. What i don't like is a team with playoff potential/consideration protecting a AA rule 5 pick all season long with the idea/excuse he can be used as an innings eater in blowouts, one way or another. The last couple of seasons, we've seen just how little value an 8th man is used in role brings. Working out a deal with the Phillies to keep him...if the FO really likes him...should be a priority. Suddenly there's room for someone like Henriquez if he has a good spring. And isn't Tonkin, and possibly Topa, a ready made 2+ IP option already on hand to be a bridge arm? Tonkin has been really solid the past 2 seasons since he came back to MLB. So many negative comments about him being dropped in 2024. That's because he was an inexpensive middle man and not a back end option. He was immediately picked up every single time. And again, if you just look at his numbers the oadt 2 seasons, he's a cheap, solid middle man. So why keep a seldom used AA rule 5 option as your 8th man and shorten the pen? And Henriquez is still pretty young, has potential, and it wouldn't stink to have him in the pen, even without options, if he starts to flash. He began his pen transition in 2023, had some injury setbacks, but started to show something last season. He MIGHT slip through waivers, and he might not. Odds are his loss wouldn't be of great impact...but then again...the same things were said about Sands last year. Varland, IMO, is probably the better arm with a better future. I know he had a bad 2024. But why are we so concerned about a bad season when he's previously shown real potential previously? What I've seen from him the past few seasons is a guy who USUALLY goes through a lineup 1 time before running in to trouble. On his good days, he's gone 2 times through. One time through the order, 2 IP, he can max out and be a solid front of the pen middle arm. If he's better than Henriquez, it wouldn't be "fair" to start the season in AAA. But these things have a way of working themselves out. It wasn't "fair" that Ober began 2023 in St Paul. But he wasn't there long, and then he was up to stay. IF Paddack ISN'T moved...I still think he might be...it wouldn't be "fair" for Festa or SWR to begin 2025 in AAA. But again, these things tend to work themselves out. In short, I'd can see reasons for Henriquez to make the opening day roster rather than give up on him too soon, even though his potential loss might not come back to bite the Twins. Working out a deal with Philadelphia for Castellano makes things easier.

Going to repeat what I have said previously that I think the Vikings are on a 2 year plan right now to really set the roster. They weren't supposed to be this good this season, but they have the $ to make some serious moves in FA, but a limited amount of draft capital for this year, and a more traditional number of picks for 2026, and possibly even a couple supplemental picks for 2026, TBD. I think keeping what you have is usually a better formula than a massive shake up. I think you keep both Murphy and Bynum in the secondary. I'd like to keep Jones at OLB, but he might have better offers that we don't want to match. I'm interested in bringing Jones back, but how much is he going to want at 31yo? Still, I'd like him for one more season. I like Redmond, LDR and Taimani as potential backups on the DL. I could be talked in to bringing Bullaed back on an inexpensive deal as a run stuffer who occupies OL. To me, it's just too hard to who I'd draft as that's going to depend a lot on what they can accomplish in FA first. But unless someone is sitting at pick 24, I'd definitely be looking to trade back for an additional pick or two. I might even move back to the early 2nd round if the package offered is good enough. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd? But what do they NEED? 1] They need a really good DL who can disrupt and make plays. 2] They need a top CB, and maybe a 2nd solid one to team with Murphy and Blackmon. That gives you a good 4 to work with. 3] They greatly need a PAIR of OL. There's various ways to mix and match at C and G, but TWO is a MUST. Maybe Brandel is best at C? (He's practiced some there but never appeared in a game to my knowledge). I wouldn't mind a solid #3 G, but that's not a top priority. 4] A talented young RB is a definite. Again, I'm interested in Jones for 1yr if the cost is acceptable. Then you can look for his replacement in 2026. IF they trade back, I can see drafted a PAIR this upcoming cycle and letting Jones walk. 5] Safety looks solid with what they have if Bynum is back. But if Harry retires, I'd look for a S in the mid rounds if they trade back for additional picks. I don't move Addison at this time. They've got him for 3 more years, and might work out an extension after next year. They'll probably not spend ALL of their FA $ in a single offseason. Plus, we have the best cap man in the business, and I wouldn't doubt a few deals get reworked with some bonus $ to free up additional $ for this season and next. But when you add it all up, what they NEED between FA and the draft is 7 or 8 GOOD additons...and maybe a couple depth pieces...to really SET each position group. IDK if you can get that done in ONE offseason via FA and the draft. Maybe. Between re-signs and 3 or 4 really good FA, you're probably tapped out $ wise, maybe leaving a little on the table for 2026. Only 4 picks in the upcoming draft, and only 2 the first 2 days, might not allow them to address everything all at once. Which is why I say it might be 2 years to really complete the roster as I see it. I think Darnold has real value, but can they risk franchising him and then trade him? I'm not certain if that works. But he's adds a pick for 2026 if he walks. And Robinson might bring a pick back as well. All TBD since the formula is based on losses vs signings. So it's possible neither brings back a pick. IF they trade back successfully, and can get the right FA without messing up the TOTAL payroll, they just might add all 7-8 players they need. But FIRST comes re-signs and FA before we can talk about the draft.

Until we see the end of Correa's Twins career, I'd say Smalley is the best SS in Twins history. Really hard to believe after decades being part of the organization in one way or another he isn't in the Twins HOF yet. Maybe now that he's retiring? I understand not everyone liked him as a broadcaster as he could go a little long at times. (He pokes fun at himself in the press release listed above). But I always enjoyed him as he was smart and detailed in his analysis. Best of luck in all your future endeavors Roy!

Probably fair and about the best to be done at this point. But I have doubts Lugo can repeat his easily best career season at 35yo. And if Lopez can get in a groove earlier than he did the previous 2 years, I think an arguement could be made that he's possibly the #2 or #3 in the division.

With all due respect to the TD writers who are doing their best to provide content and context, and to TD members who share their opinions about the Twins current catching situation, I'm utterly fatigued at this point with the banter being presented. So here's an honest look about the depth. Jeffers and Vazquez provide a good game calling, durable, adequate defense overall performance behind the plate. Debate the value of each in regard to what they provide behind the plate as you will. Jeffers is far superior offensively, with upside, and Vazquez is what he is offensively, with hope he can be slightly better in 2025 if kept. Gasper is, pun intended, a last gasp for depth as what he is is a 1B contact hitter with limited power who COULD catch if needed. So then we come to the crux of an ongoing arguement about "who's next". That means, currently, Camargo and the recently acquired Cartaya. Ironically, both came from the Dodgers organization. And both are of similar age, Camargo is 24yo, and Cartaya is 23. Camargo was a secondary offering in a trade a couple years ago that nobody really paid a lot of attention to, and Cartaya was a top 100 prospect a couple years ago that fell on hard times when he hit AA. But for some reason, various opinions have Camargo as an easy drop from the 40 man if needed, and the recently acquired Cartaya as a potential steal of a prospect despite his downfall in prospect rankings and only being a year younger than Camargo. I'm not sure I understand the logic behind this. Also, to be fair, I have NO information to tell me that EITHER is far superior in game calling or handling a staff, which is the most important part of being a backstop. Nor do I have definitive information that either is just better behind the plate in regard to blocking the plate, which is a bit arbitrary depending on what defensive metric you choose to look at. But while "caught stealing" is open to interpretation depending somewhat on the pitcher and opportunity, Camargo has a MILB career % of 31% and Cartaya has a career % of 20. Cartaya pretty much raked at A ball levels with power, a great OB% and solid AVG. Meanwhile, Camargo began to perform better at AA. CARTAYA since 2022: .254/ .389/ .503/ .892 A BALL .189/ .278/ .379/ .656 AA BALL .221/ .323/ .363/ .686 AAA BALL CAMARGO since 2022: .262/ .310/ .483/ .793 AA BALL .259/ .323/ .503/ .826 AAA BALL .212/ .290/ .403/ .717 AAA BALL To be 100% fair, there are some splits in these seasons, but I've posted the combined numbers for both players each season and listed their levels based on where they spent the majority of their years/seasons played. Also being fair, it's been reported that Cartaya has had some back issues that might have affected his performance to some degree. If I'm not mistaken, to be fair, I believe Camargo had a minor injury that might have hindered his 2024 numbers somewhat. I am not in any way trying to discredit the Twins acquiring Cartaya as a flier who has potential to maybe turn around his career. It was a smart deal. Nor am I saying Camargo is a superior prospect. But the numbers do state, IMO, that Camargo is not to be dismissed as some easy cut if the Twins need a 40 man spot. In fact, i say "shame on the FO" for having a POTENTIAL backstop who they have too easily dismissed as a possible ML backstop. I chose 2022 numbers in comparison very deliberately. I did so not only because it was where Cartaya had his last good season, and Camargo took off, but because the Twins brought Noah Cardenas on. And then in 2023 they selected Andrew Cossetti. Cardenas is a quality catcher with a 28% CS in his young career but his bat disappeared at AA the same way Cartaya's bat disappeared. Cossetti needs defensive work, but his bat disappeared also in 2024 when he hit AA. There's hope for Cartaya to get his bat right. But there should also be some hope Cardenas and Cossetti will get their bats right. The Twins haven't ignored the catcher position the last few years, it just hasn't turned out right so far. Meanwhile, they actually have a possible ML catcher with a good arm and power and SOME bat potential they just keep ignoring. Dismissing potential talent on hand and giving them a legitimate opportunity is my one major grievance with the FO.

It's my understanding they have a mid single digit investment. In other words, they are around 5%. That's not enough to have any influence over anything, nor is it an amount that couldn't be sold off easily. I can't imagine this will hold up anything in regard to a purchase at all.

Disagree on Castro at 2B. He's the 10th man that most teams would kill to have. Agree that Lee's glovework is excellent, and maybe he's best at 3B with the more athletic Lewis at 2B. I don't think you lose any way you deploy them. Lewis's issue at 3B is a hitch he has throwing. Does he maybe have the better arm? I'm not certain. I don't think you lose any way. It's just finding the best comfort zone for each. But you're right about Lee hitting. I think a lot of expectation was placed on Lee as a surprise pick that a lot of people expected an All Star type of player. And who knows, he might be. I think he's going to be a good glove man wherever you place him. I'm not certain he's going to be a 20 HR type of hitter. IMO he's a .280 hitter with a good .340-ish OB with 30+ DBLS and 15-18 HR per season. He does better than that, he goes beyond GOOD to All Star status.

We're in agreement. But why does everyone focus on Camargo having a poor 2024 when he had a very good 2023? As well as a good 2022 when his bat started to come around? He had a .826 OPS for St Paul in 2023 with 21 HR. How soon people forget huh? And while I simply have NO WAY to compare how good, bad, better either catcher is defensively, the numbers show Camargo with a MILB career CS % of 31 vs 20% for Cartaya. Maybe Cartaya is just better blocking the plate and calling a game. Who knows? But he sure hasn't hit like Camargo in the upper levels, and he sure hasn't thrown like Camargo has. Ironic isn't it that both came from the Dodgers organization. One is way more proven, but the team who traded for him won't give him a chance to show what he can do. And we're debating the value of a younger player who's less proven as a viable option. And we're supposed to expect that our potential #4 catching option should induce the Twins to make a move. (Shudder). I have to wonder, if Cossetti or Cardenas suddenly rebounds in 2025, are we having a different discussion?