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The signing bonus for a fourth pick is around $500K. $3.5M is a late teens first round pick so the two picks would cost somewhere around $4M if the picks were their own. Would it be worth a little more to get a couple extra picks? $4M for these prospects is far from ridiculous. This type of strategy is one of the things a team can do to overcome the fact that there are teams that can spend twice as much on players. Players acquired as prospects have produced considerably more WAR than drafted players for most of the 90 win teams in the bottom half of revenue. Lots of people taking a very strong stance without having the information on how successful teams were constructed by teams with similar or less revenue. Trading for established players has played the smallest role over the past couple of decades.
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They are not paying for any of Polanco's contract so how did they pay $9M for 2 prospects?
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Defensive is pretty darn close between Farmer and Castro. However, Castro was far better against RHP last year and Farmer was much better against LHP. I suspect their playing time will be decided accordingly. This also probably influences who they call up. Martin makes sense because he can be the 4/5th OFer and platoon with Julien at 2B.
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I am with you Doc. They are not bringing someone up to start. Castro starting at 3B makes sense. We can use Martin or Prato as a utility player until Lewis is back. Farmer could at 3B against LHP with Martin/Prato starting at 2B.
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I didn't think his arm was that much of a problem. He just didn't have the footwork and I thought he looked quite shaky on the quick reaction type plays common with either corner infield spot.
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All three were great last year. All three have looked great this spring and Jax has looked dominant. He looks like he has found another gear. I don't think they are being overlooked by anyone paying attention.
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You forget to mention it's $35M in 2026 when our young core will be getting expensive, and Sonny Gray will be very unlikely to be performing at a high level at age 36. I would not call it reprehensible. I would call it competence. Can you give me an example of a team with under $300M in revenue that has ever made a deep playoff run with 4 players earning $100M. Take a look. No such team exists.
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The Twins put a lot of eggs ($$$) in one basket in the form of Carlos Correa. They have roughly $70M invested between Correa, Lopez, and Buxton. There is not a whole lot of help coming from free agency, at least not from high dollar free agents. The payroll space has pretty much already been spent for the next few years. The first thing they need to keep this window open is for those three guys to deliver. I think the next most crucial or even perhaps the most crucial element will be internal development of starting pitching. As we observed with the Cease trade, trading for starting pitching costs multiple prospects that are the type of players that are needed to keep a window open. LA, Houston and Atlanta are very good examples of young players coming along a helping sustain success. The INF looks like it’s going to be fine. The OF is a different story. If Wallner fades and Kepler goes away we don’t look so good. I am going to be watching Rodriquez, Gonzalez, and Rosario closely. We really need those guys to not only make it but become impact players.
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What's wrong with posting information for the sole purpose of others using it to form their own opinion?
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Absolutely agree DeSclafani was risky based on health and share your disagreement with all pitchers are injury risks. Obviously, some are more risky than others. I am basically with you on Topa too. His age before impacting a ML roster makes him suspect but every media guy that spoke about him this off-season sure did seem to think he was real. I hope they are right. You and I have been pretty much aligned on Santana too. I know he plays good D but he would not have been my first choice. I am not as sure as you are about Polanco at 1B. I think it's a totally different skill set, He looked pretty bad a 3B which is a lot more like 1B than SS. All this aside. I would trade him for value without hesitation given the roster construction. Tampa and Cleveland are good at getting guys that are on the cusp of the ML level. Those guys are less risky. Gonzalez has a high ceiling but he is no lock to be a ML player.
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I am not forgetting about the DH spot and I would agree with you that I would prefer to have Polanco vs Sanatana as a pure DH. However, many teams prefer not to roster someone as a primary DH and I think the twins are one of them. Santana is here because we had no (good) depth at all for 1B. Who do we play there if Kirilloff goes down? Rocco actually said during the broadcast yesterday it's not as simple as putting the best 26 guys on the roster. They have to fit together. Kirilloff/Santana offer flexibility and depth that does not exist with Polanco on the roster instead of Santana. Kirilloff could go to the OF if needed at times. He can pitch hit for Margot and replace him in the OF when Margot starts at a corner spot against LHP. Let's not forget that it's not as simple as Polanco vs his replacements. We got Topa and DeSclafani. Most people think Topa is a pretty darn good RP. DeSclafani is a decent depth piece. Obviously, he needs to be able to give them some innings but if he is available there is value in that depth.
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Where he hit last year or will hit for a different team matters little. What would be his role on this team. Who is he replacing in the starting line-up on this team. Julien took his spot. You just have a real hard time with this fact. Farmer is at least as good as a platoon partner, has better defensive flexibility and can back-up Correa. Did the Rays hand on to Adames when Franco became established? No. Holding onto a player is shortsighted. Obviously, it's a bust if Gonzalez busts but there is a massive upside to this typer of trade. This type of trade is how a team with less revenue builds a quality roster of inexpensive players which facilitates the ability to extend players or sign free agents like Correa. Replacing Polanco with a combination of Julien and Farmer has little downside as long as they stay reasonably healthy. Every baseball reporter that commented on the trade said something along these lines. I did not see/hear one single reporter align with what you are saying.
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While we would all like sustained success, many TDers place overwhelmingly more importance on the current year and very much favor asset management focused on the present. That emphasis will assure less sustained success and that's why we see a disconnect with many fans when someone like Polanco is traded. He was no longer a starter. The most successful mid/small market teams have done a great job trading that type of player for prospects. Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and Oakland produce more WAR by trading for prospects or unproven ML talent than they do drafting. We talk about Cleveland producing pitching but don't stop to realize that Corey Kluber, Mike Clevinger, Carlos Carrasco, Trevor Bauer, Bryan Shaw, Justin Masterson, and Emmanuel Clase were acquired as prospects.
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How much do you think this kind of expense is going to impact NOI? Any significant added expense is going to be a depreciable asset. I doubt they can impact NOI much by recognizing certain expenses.
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They can't just expense something to zero out NOI. They have to follow IRS regulations. You also make it sound like depreciation is some sort of a trick. The expense is no less real because it's recognized over the course of more than a year.
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I watched the run down on MLB TV. They did multiple shows where they did the top 10 at each position. Wallner and Schwaber did not make the list I saw.
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Steer mostly plays the OF now. MLB.com rated him the 3rd best LFer in MLB. A good RH hitting OFer would look pretty good on this team. His flexibility to fill in at 3B/2B&1B would just be a bonus. CES is primarily a 1B with the ability to fill-in at 3B on occasion. CES has some proving to do but he was a beast the last 100ABs last season. I would much rather have his ceiling than a 38 y/o player that is only going to be here for 1 year and it's hard to argue their value was a lot more than the absolute nothing we got for them. Edit. He was ranked 10th and I knew this. Why I wrote 3rd, I have no idea. Brain fart!
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The list will probably grow. The Orioles are pretty high on Cade Povich and SGL had a successful debut with the Tigers. They are yet tom prove anything, but that depth would look pretty good about now.
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Slow Spring Training, Any Reason to be Concerned?
Major League Ready replied to stringer bell's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
He has almost 1500 professional ABs not to mention Wallner has performed better at the ML level.. Using 29 ABs in spring training to decide if he goes north would be pretty foolish. Now, if Larnach kills it for 6 weeks and Wallner struggles, it will be nice to have a back-up plan. -
He had surgery for an internal brace last July so contributing this year is doubtful.
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Do you think the list of potential contributors goes beyond Festa, SWR, and Canterino? Could we be surprised by a surge to the top by Raya or Culpepper? Is Pierson Ohl a dark horse with his plus command? These are the questions I ask myself. We can add will DeSclafani be of any value this year to the list of questions.
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Health. Two years of healthy starters in a row is a lot to ask. If/when we need someone, I was encouraged by what we have seen from Festa and SWR this spring. I think the new arm slot is going to improve his chances of being a ML pitcher. The question is can he maintain velocity and how much time will he need to grove that delivery. Festa's stuff looked really good. The question in his case is can he gain the consistency in command needed at the ML level.
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I am not as sure as you. SWR and Festa did not look close to ready last year. Canterino is certainly not ready right now but might make a contribution late. One of these guys might be ready if we get lucky and don't need injury replacements until the middle of June or July. I just don't believe in Headrick, Winder or Sands and definitely don't believe in Dobnak. Sands might make a decent RP one day. I would like to see them sign someone and Lorenzen looks like the best option.
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I can think of two other questions. Will they get through the season with 5 SPs. If not, are any of their prospects ready to pitch at the ML level. SWR and Festa have looked pretty good so perhaps the answer is yes in which case is he better than Varland is a good question.
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My bet is Alcala stays. He has looked the best of the remaining RPs.
