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How are you counting? Honest question because Bader likely won't be back and he started more games in a corner OF spot than Larnach and Wallner. (74 vs 53 & 45) If they keep Wallner and trade Larnach, they will be down 2 corner OFers. To start next year, they start with Buck and Wallner with some combination of Martin / Clemmens and Keaschall. They will still have Rodriguez / Jenkins & GG waiting in the wings. I guess you count Eeles in that group too. Normally I would agree they would not get rid of 2 corner OFers but they already have replacements that are ready and a few that are close. I could see waiting until the off-season to move Larnach for a couple reasons. First, it gives them the rest of the season to evaluate Martin / Keaschall and Clemmens. All three of those players play multiple positions so they retain flexibility. Second, they would be selling low on Larnach. Waiting until the off-season could net a greater return.
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My initial thought was he simply is not part of the solution so open a roster spot and bring up Rodriguez if they think he is ready or Martin. However, if we trade Bader and Castro, we could bring up Rodriguez and Martin and keep Larnach around to see if he improves his value. This would allow Jenkins and Gonzalez to move up to AAA position Jenkins and Gonzalez to be ready for call ups in 2026.
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Did someone from the Twins say they were going to continue to increase payroll well beyond a record high? I did not see anything that suggested a significantly higher budget. $10 or $20M would mean very little. Do you think it's realistic the Twins were going to spend $180M+? I think fans really obsess over increase spending and they search for some form of logic that means they can spend more. For example, they spent $33M/year for Correa so payroll will continue to increase as opposed to they have $150M to spend at this level of revenue and they decided to allocate 22% to Correa.
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I would 40% on the front office and development staff. They have certainly not been a complete failure because the roster is filled with guys that should be at the major league level. However, they have failed to produce difference makers outside of Buxton and Ryan. Yes, I give them credit for Ryan because that kind of acquisition has been nearly as instrumental to success as drafting for the most successful low revenue teams. I put 40% of the revenue disparity. If the Twins are equally proficient to the Dodgers / Yankees in terms of drafting, and developing, the revenue advantage means the Dodgers advantage in terms of building a roster equates to adding Ohtani, Yamamoto, Snell, Bett's & Freemen. Should we pretend this is not a factor? 20% is on the players.
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They spent $150M Correa's first year (2022). In 2023 they had a record payroll of $156M. Of course, they had a $50M windfall from BAM that year so I think it's safe to assume they did not expect to have the same budget going forward. They are at roughly $149M this year or roughly $1M less than their highest payroll in a year when they did not get BAM money. The assertion that a spending reduction of $1M of previous levels is responsible for this year's failures is yet another attempt to support a narrative that unwillingness to spend is the problem. Apparently, every team in this division has the same problem.
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At $150M his salary this year would be 24.6%. The Twins were never going to be much over $150 and we can't use the year they got $50M in BAM money as a benchmark. With $150M it will drop to 21% the next 3 years which will still be an anchor if he continues to perform at this level.
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Agree but I took a lot of crap for this position in the past when trying to make the point that production per dollar spent is essential when there are teams with literally double the revenue of the Twins. Many posters told me they were not interested in winning the award for production per dollar spent. There were a significant portion of posters here who were adamant the Twins sign Correa even when it looked like he might get a 12-year contract. There were impassioned posts suggesting the twins were cheap / unserious if they would not pony up for Correa. Even at the start of this year, it sure seemed like a significant percentage of posters were dead against trading Correa if they could find a trade partner. The tone has sure changed now that he is underperforming.
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I think there are a few variables outside of his performance that will determine when he gets a shot. Rodriguez is already at AAA. He is a very good defender, can back-up center field, and hits both LH and RH pitching. If Rodriguez performs, he is getting a shot ahead of GG. Jenkins is also a more complete player. He will probably start 2026 in AAA. If Jenkins crushes AAA pitching, he could be in the big leagues before GG. Of course, there is also the possibility they pick-up a major league ready OFer in deadline trades. I think the emphasis will be in other areas, but you never know. Of course, there are areas within his own performance that could expedite his ascension to the big leagues. He could improve physically in the off-season. A little more speed and strength would help defensively and could also produce more HRs. That would change his ceiling. Like Jenkins, GG most likely is in AAA to start 2026. A slightly faster / better fielding GG showing a little more power in 2026 could be in the big leagues by the all-star break.
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If that's what you got from this there is no point in further discussion. How is a team in Minnesota going to generate revenue even remotely close to LA / NY or Boston? It's reality. They can adopt practices that mitigate the disadvantage inherent to a smaller market or the team (and fans) can stick their head in the sand by not recognizing the need to operate differently than teams in higher revenue markets.
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It's so hard to predict what happens. The easy call is Coulombe gets traded. Castro and Bader will be available but we will see if they can swing deals for both. Duran is not going anywhere without a considerable haul but the Twins and Dodgers lineup nicely on a trade that brings Dalton Rushing + prospects to the Twins. The fact that Rushing is already in the majors, catches, and plays 1B is about as good a fit as we could get.
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A lot of us are there with you. There are many questions but we do have potential answers. It's time to figure out which players are part of the solution. Martin is looking better than ever at AAA. It is important to determine if Sabato or Julien can take over at 1B. Keaschall could take over the Castro one of them is the primary 1B. Keaschall could play 1B against lefties and play virtually everyday at either 2B or OF. I am still not sure what to think of Kody Clemmens and they need to figure out if Lewis is a star or a pumpkin. Maybe they get a look at Eeles as well. At least it would be interesting to watch!
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Arraez hit 6 home runs in roughly 1400 Milb PAs so they are far from the same and Gonzalez looks capable of a higher OPS. It's also not at all a stretch to believe he will develop more power given his age. It does not seem like a big stretch to believe he could become an 18-20HR guy? If he can hit for a high average, produce a high on base percentage, and hit 18-20 HRs that would be a very good offensive player. I will take that guy hitting 4th or 5th.
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Your comment was not directed at "average fans". It suggested that people here who supported selling were "fair weather fans". Most of TDs, at least those who are advocating selling are not casual fans. They are people that follow the game closely enough to know that we would not even have Duran or Ryan if not for selling. They are fans that understand that not selling in a lost year (like the Angels last year) is gross mismanagement that can hurt the team for several years. Many of those average fans you speak of will go to games regardless of those trades while others will go more or less frequently based on the quality of the product. Those advocating selling understand selling provides an opportunity to put a better product on the field for several years. -
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Fans that don't want to see mediocrity year after year. Fans that don't think it's a good idea to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. Fans that recognize that we took advantage of a lost year to acquire Ryan and Duran. Fans that recognize that Cleveland and KC improved their teams for several years when they recognized a lost year and traded for Clause and Reagans. -
Because the market is not even fully formed. There are still teams on the bubble and until that's decided there will be very few transactions.
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Good point. I wondered about that. It still works out fine if the goal is to give Clemens and Keaschall playing time because Keaschall also has some 1B experience. They can play Clemmens and Keaschall at 1B with Clemmens getting time in the OF and 2B and some 1B if Keaschall DHs
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Looking at the entire league makes no sense. The MN Twins or any other team in the bottom half of revenue needs to utilize different strategies than high revenue teams. If you look at Average or below average revenue teams, WS wins have become quite rare. The White Sox won in 2005, in the 19 seasons since then, one below average revenue team has won the WS. That would be the Royals in 2015. Greinke was traded after the 2010 season and the won the WS the 5th year after that trade. The Royals got their best player (Cane) and their starting SS (Escober) in that trade. The question to ask would be if they would have won the WS without selling. If a below average revenue team wins the WS this year, it would likely be Detroit. They sold off any veterans they could and started over. Yes, it took a few years. The question we should be asking is what below average team has won the WS in the past 20 years without a sell-off and rebuild. The answer is none. You can find the answer you seek by only asking questions that yield the answer you want but that does not mean you have come to a meaningful conclusion.
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They seem to be on board with your thinking. Now they just need to let France go. We have several guys that could play 2B or OF. IB is the perfect opportunity to see what we have in Clemmens. Keaschall can also play 1B so they have a back-up in case of injury or substitutions. They really need to trade Castro as well. That playing time should go to Keaschall (INF & OF). I think Clemmens is part of the future. The question is if he is an everyday player of a bench player.
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A lot because those trades are highly unlikely to happen until the last day or two before the deadline.
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The point many here are making is the Twins are generally reluctant to act on selling opportunities, so you are asking then wrong question. The question is has selling assets .5 - 1.5 years in advance of contract expirations contributed significantly to building more competitive teams for those teams that pursue this strategy. The answer to that question is a resounding yes.
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The optimist in me sees Jenkins finishing the year really strong in AA and starting 26 in AAA. He tears up AAA for a couple months and gets promoted. Your scenario might have a higher probability but humor me. I would replace France with either Julien or Sabato. We need a 1B for next year more than an OFer. It also balances the roster better. Of course, I am assuming Keaschall replaces Kiersey. Then, I trade Castro or Bader if the offer is significant and bring up Martin. I would not trade either one of those guys just to open a roster spot.
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It's not crazy but I think there is a more ideal sequence of events that could take place. GG is only 21 so rather than rush him, promote either Martin who has been great or Rodriguez if he is healthy and promote GG to AAA. That gives them a good opportunity to evaluate GG at AAA in terms of his ability to take a roster spot in 2026. The result would be the same, except Larnach gets traded this winter (if they are confident in having a replacement) and GG or Some combination of GG, Rodriguez, and Jenkins are patrolling the OF at target field in 2026. At some point between no and the 2026 deadline, Larnach and maybe Wallner are getting traded. At least I sure hope that some combination of Jenkins / GG / E. Rod / Martin and Rosario displace them. The picture I have in my head is that Jenkins and either E. Rod or GG will be corner OFer and Martin is a utility player or traded.
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Even the Ray's, A's, and Guardians are not following identical practices, but they definitely operate differently than other teams. Part of that is pure necessity. They literally have 1/3 the revenue of the top revenue teams. It goes without saying that they are effectively executing these strategies. The Guardians rarely spend in free agency. The Rays spend sparingly but get great value for the dollar. Charlie Morton for example. They managed to get a great free agent SP on a moderate AAV, two-year deal. They also cycle through more (as they are called here) dumpster bin cast-offs than any other team. Cleveland and Tampa have traded a lot of good players in their last year. This strategy has arguably been the biggest difference maker for these organizations. They have gotten 5-6 years of good production by trading players in their final year. Look at Kluber as an example. Texas got nothing out of Kluber and Cleveland got Emmanuel Clause. This also how the got Clevinger, Carasco, Bauer, Sanatana, Haffner, and many others
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That is not an even remotely logical conclusion. Other teams are VERY aware of practices followed in Tampa, Cleveland, and Oakland. Many teams, even large market teams have adopted practices similar to those followed in Cleveland and especially Tampa over the last 10+ years. However, other teams have different personnel with different opinions that result in different strategies. Fans have different opinions on how to do things as well. Many hate Cleveland's practices despite their success.

