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You are absolutely right but does it make any difference if it's 6-7 guys or 7-8 guys for 2 spots?

That's exactly how I see the pitching and Larnach unless Roden completely bombs. Jeffers, I don't know about just because they have very little for internal options. Of course, a trade could change that outlook.

If they kept Lopez / Ryan and Ober, that would leave them with Bradley / SWR / Festa / Matthews and Abel for 2 spots. All of them have already been promoted to the major league level. Most of us can grasp that this rebuild will take at least two years, and everyone understands that Lopez/Ryan and Ober will be free agents in 2 years, Therefore, these prospects would be blocked from gaining major league experience and the effort to rebuild would be derailed. Congratulations, you have identified a good way to derail a rebuild. Let's play the guys who will be gone by the time we get done rebuilding.

My guess where pitching is concerned is they move Ryan and either Lopez/Ober this winter. That gives them one of Lopez/Ober plus (in order of experience) Bradley / SWR / Festa / Matthews. That's 5. Abel probably unseats one of them to start the year or at some point during the year and Rojas will also be ready to go early in 2026. Prielipp and Raya should be ready at some point in 2026. That's 8 or 9. Adams / Morris / Ohl would be additional depth and may or may not ever be SPs. Of course, some of these guys will end up in the BP. They are not going to hold great trade assets during a rebuild phase especially players blocking prospects that are definitely ready. Whoever remains between Lopez / Ober is traded at the deadline. I would trading those three players add a few good pitching prospects to this already substantial list.

I hear you and that's reasonable. However, I hear an awful lot of grumbling (understandably) about this organization's failure to build anything more than a fringe playoff team that never makes a deep run. While I agree there is something to be said for frequency of making the playoffs, I think pretty much everyone wants more. The question is are we willing to do what it takes to build something more substantial? Even with Pablo / Ryan / Ober, this was never going to be among the top contenders. Those three are very good but they are not elite. It would take a very good offense and we did not have the horses. They made an investment in Correa intending for him to contribute significantly to getting over the top. He is not that player. Larnach / Wallner are mediocre. We have zip at 2B and 1B. I am not sure what we have at 3B. It was time to shuffle the deck.

2026 is absolutely for certain lost. Lopez / Ryan / Ober are free agents in 2027. Should they keep Ryan who would bring a massive return because there is an outside chance they could make the playoffs in 2027?

The question becomes .... Do fans want a team with a chance to compete for a playoff spot, or do they want to build a team that can realistically have a shot at winning a WS or at least a deep playoff run? If the only consideration is having a chance at a playoff spot next year, tweaking the mediocre roster the best course of action. However, just making the playoffs is not the goal I see from most TD posters.

Very true but this point of view neglects to recognize that it is virtually impossible for an average revenue team is to develop prospects. Yet, the message here is often there is no hope because prospects often don't work out.

Because they traded him?

Two points and I am not sure either is an argument, just perspective. One, you framed your post as which prospects will impact the Twins by the start of next year. Is immediate impact the appropriate perspective in any form of rebuild? Two, it can be very difficult to predict which prospects are impact players. There was very little fanfare surrounding Arraez as an example and the most likely source of a premium prospect will be the trades of Lopez and Ryan so they are not on the radar yet.

Manfred's statement on the certainty of the sale really surprised me. You just don't make that kind of statement without being really certain. So, I wonder, is the deal done or has he not learned this lesson. I can tell you from personal experience it does not take long to learn that lesson when you have tightly held information. It gives me some confidence, but it's quite possible Manfred opened his mouth when he should not have. They might have to overpay a couple free agent RPs given the number of holes they have to fill. A $3M/year player is probably a lot more swayed by more money or an extra year.

I did not mean to suggest an expensive free agent would be added anytime soon. That makes no sense at this point. Where I was trying to lead that thought was that they should be able to fill the rotation for the next 6-10 years with cost effective players. When it comes time to add an additional piece, all of the inexpensive talent will make it feasible to add via free agency. I also mentioned the even better scenario is that we make smart extensions like Atlanta. Could not agree more that getting a premium return on Ryan / Lopez / Ober would be a huge boost in taking this team to the next level.

He won't be pitching to the INF of the past. At least not for long. The only guy that is likely in the same position this time next year is Lewis and he is in the 87th percentile for range at 3B. Culpepper (if he is what we think he is) will be here by July 1 next year. Keaschall at 2B and 1B remains a question mark. It could be Debarge or a few others by 2027. He is under control through 2029. I have not seen Culpepper play but what I have read sounds pretty encouraging. Obviously, he is still a prospect but assuming he continues on the path he is on, that INF looks like at least average defensively. Does anyone that has seen Culpepper have an opinion they would like to share in terms of his defense?

Skubal was a 9th round pick. Teams that can't buy Ohtani / Betts / Yamamoto etc, have to crush every first round pick and/or develop a few Skubals. Maybe Matthews is our Skubal. Jenkins and culpepper are our first rounders. Keaschall is our 2nd rounder and there is still reason to believe in Lewis. They are crazy deep in SPs now. There is a very good probability they will not need to pay market prices for SPs for several years and with Correa gone the amount of dead money is very manageable and it's off the books in 3 years. That opens up a lot of payroll. They just need to get the next big FA right or better yet extend the right guys. Is ready to "start next year" an appropriate measure. We need to come to terms with the fact this is a rebuild. What can they get done by the end of next season would be a more reasonable measure of success, IMO. If they can assemble the personnel that can actually contend in two years that would be far better than most rebuilds. What needs to happen to get there is the question. There is a ton of pitching and OFs ready. Culpepper and Debarge are not that far off. It's not going to take years to reconstruct this roster but it's also not going to happen by the start of next year.

You definitely have a point. This could be a new profit driven owner ceasing the opportunity to cut payroll for the next few years. This could be a new owner implementing a Tampa Bay operating model and spending level despite having more revenue. Being an optimist, I see the slightly more likely explanation being they did not see a realistic path to a strong contender without a pretty major rework of the roster and this was the most effective path.

Falvey actually has a pretty good track record selling at the deadline so I am not sure I would read a lot into them allowing him to make these deals. The only one that really throws me is Varland. The return for the guys with 2 1/2 years remaining (Duran/Jax) is likely as high as it's going to get. They also negate the risk associated with injury. Varland threw me but I think I understand where they are going. The big 3 all expire at the end of 2027. They are not going to hold on to them hoping 2027 will be competitive. Not after selling off in this magnitude. They want to make sure they can sell off Lopez/Ryan and still have a very good rotation by 2027. Let's say they keep Ober. That gives them Ober / Matthews / Abel / Rojas / Festa / Bradley / SWR that have made it to the ML level and Rojas / Prielipp / Morris ready soon. By 2027 they should have Soto / Hill and Quick on the verge. I don't like Outman for Stewart but I think very highly of Stewart and might be overvaluing him. I see the potential value in Outman and hope I am dead wrong.

When is a rebuild ever intended to make the following season better? This article makes absolutely no sense in the context of what just happened. Next year is going to be about sorting out several new OFers and several SPs when they likely trade at least 2 of the big 3 away this winter. Of course, they will also start the process of rebuilding the BP but that likely takes shape over a 2-year period. Some of the numerous SP prospects we have will be converted to RPs over the next couple of years. The INF will not have as many prospects involved. The big questions will be when Culpepper arrives and who is auditioned at first base. The goal between now and the end of the 2026 will be to solidify as many positions as possible. Best case scenario is things go really well next year, they pick-up a couple premium MLB ready prospects via trading Lopez/Ryan/Ober and they head into 2027 with a shot at a playoff spot.

Did you miss the part where I said "If the rumors are true"? Honest question. Were you trying to say you have more information than the rest of us (and the MLB Commissioner) and the reports are misinformation?

If this rumor that the sale is imminent, there is no way this sell-off happens without the consent of the new buyer. What's the total savings? It's under $30M this year. The Pohlad's get virtually none of the cost savings benefit if the team is sold before the start of next season. You think they would risk alienating the new buyer for $30M? Not a chance. If the rumors are true, the new buyer endorsed this sell-off. There are two possibilities. One, they are purely profit motivated. Two, like most of us here, they looked at the current roster as needing several upgrades. They looked at selling out the future to take a shot with this roster and decided the better chance at success, especially sustained success was to rebuild.

How much better would they be today with Wood / Abrahams and Gore? They would have their production which is huge plus they would have an extra $24M they would not be paying Bogaerts. While it's $25M a year now for a little less production, what will it look like between the ages of 35-40.

Or you just don't want to acknowledge that it's nuanced. and any form of tweaking this primary group of players is just a refusal to actually do something. If you would prefer to continue walking down a path to nowhere, you won't be alone.

Or KC or Detroit. Perhaps more to the point. Was this group going to win a WS? Was there a reasonably likely path to WS contender? The chatter here was understandably negative so how does it make sense to fight so hard to continue to do the same thing and expect a different result. I realize nobody was advocating doing the same thing but continuing on with these primary players was highly unlikely to accomplish anything significant. The presence of Correa / Buxton and Lopez along with a lot of arbitration players negated free agency as a solution. The only other option would have been to empty out the farm system because the kind of players we needed to win a WS was going to cost multiple 50-60FV prospects and a few 45 FVs thrown in. If you don't get it done in 26 or 27 you're looking at a very long road back. I am very glad they didn't empty the farm system to prop up this group. I also was tired of watching the same mediocrity especially as it became clear the was not a path forward for this group that had a good probability of success. So, I guess we all need to decide if we wanted to continue to watch an OK team for the next few years or option 2, empty the farm system and bet on this group in 26-27 which I think would have been utter incompetence. Option 3 rebuild. We can complain about the options and the failure that lead to them but I would not complain that they took decisive action. I pray they land a couple real premium prospects for Ryan / Lopez that along with the long list of talent we have in the system go on to win the WS. It's probably 28 before we are a serious contender but I like the odds of actually being a contender much better on this path.

I wouldn't bet either way. Look at his 11 years in the league. The first 3 were consistently good. The last 8 he is well above average for 4 years and right around average the other 4 years. Regardless, his value to the Twins was a SS. With that fading, it's time to move on but I will say I think he would be a good guy to have around to mentor young players.

I don't think it's as simple as they rebuild the BP. Starting pitching just got a lot deeper. However, I think you will see phase 2 of the rebuild this winter when they sell at least one of Lopez / Ryan / Ober. They don't want all three of those contracts expiring at the same time and those assets are the ones that return prospects most capable of becoming stars. They will take the rest of this year and 2026 to evaluate the plethora of young SPs. It will be mostly sorted out by 2027. My guess is that one of Lopez / Ryan / Ober remains. The other 4 will be some combination of Matthews / Festa / Bradley / Abel / Rojas / Prielipp / Raya / Morris with Hill / Soto / Quick and a couple surprises on the horizon. There will also be a couple high caliber SP prospects from the Lopez / Ryan or Ober trades. Larnach and or Wallner could also be traded. My guess would be Wallner. Just like the SPs, they are going to sort through a bunch of OF prospects. Right now that includes Martin / Roden and Outman. Next year Jenkins and Gonzalez will be added to the mix. The INF is pretty simple. They need to find a 1B. Lewis is at 3b. Lee is SS until Culpepper arrives although their are other candidates. 2B is probably Keaschall. I think the BP gets cobbled together next year with a couple mid-tier free agents and a couple of the guys mentioned above will be converted to RPs.

Bullseye. Should Falvey had said he thought this group was never going to be a true contender and their best chance at building a contender was to blow it up and collect as much talent in the process as possible. It happens. The success in Houston and Detroit started with striping it to the studs. However, that message would not be received well by fans or players even though it's likely the truth. He did say the part about this being the best path toward building a contender but left out any discussion of the shortcomings of the current group as constructed. Correa conducted himself very well here. I have no problem with Correa's conduct. I just don't see a fit even if they had not blown it up. His skills were declining at SS and his value diminishes at 3B. Given they did blow it up, we are far better off reconstructing the IF over the next year to year and a half. I will be pulling hard for Culpepper to come in and lock down that position for the next several years.