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  1. Woof Bronzer
    The Twins! The Twins are suggesting that. "We used to get $50m, now we get $0, so we gotta cut payroll by $25-$30mil." If they factor in the future deal the "spend 50% of revenue" math doesn't work.
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    All this makes more sense if you open yourself up to the idea that the Pohlads simply aren't very smart businessmen. The decision to cut payroll after the year the team had, literally weeks after TF was electric with an energy it literally has never had before, is plain stupid. No intelligent business would ever kill their own buzz that way. No intelligent business would then ANNOUNCE that they are killing their own buzz. Wouldn't the simplest explanation for all of this be that the Pohlads aren't that bright?
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    Interesting...my initial thought was that the Twins were negotiating against themselves by devaluing any future deal. Like, they're saying they won't get $50mil again, but I've seen nothing to indicate that's an absurd number. Any provider is now going to start any negotiation much lower than that. But you might be on to something here.
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    Well, I think 1 ALDS series win in 30 years is mediocre, but you might disagree. Since nearly every team in the league has had more success than that over the same time frame, I'd be curious to know what your definition of "mediocrity" is. The conscious decision was made by the Pohlads. They decided, like they always do, to emphasize profits over on the field success. They know cutting payroll will hamper the team, and they don't care, because the product on the field is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is making money. This cannot be controversial at this point. We know who the Pohlads are; they've operated this way since taking over for the old man. Payroll cuts probably weren't Falvey's decision, but his job performance probably isn't evaluated in wins and losses, it's evaluated in dollars and cents. Like in any business he's just the guy who has to deal with top-down budget cuts. I'm sure he's pretty frustrated but his job will be safe as long as the team continues to rake in cash.
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    Are you seriously comparing the Cardinals franchise to the Twins? St Louis is about the same market size as MSP yet consistently spends money on its product. They've won 2 World Series in the past 2 decades and have had far more playoff success than the Twins. They are a model franchise and yes, they are not afraid to spend FA dollars. You're right in that the Twins were not attractive to Sonny because they decided that they didn't want to pay him. That's the point.
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    Yeah take it with a grain of salt, just what I heard from someone I know over there. Correa is never going to say anything publicly anyhow. I would find it odd though if him and the Twins did not take about spending and competing for a Series before he signed. He's a competitor and I find it really hard to believe he'd want to commit here for the rest of his career without feeling good about the spending philosophy. Would you? Unless he just cared about the money. No thanks on being specific when commenting on a fan site though, that would ruin the fun :)
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    Correct. But you can't be 18-30 to win the Series either.
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    Word behind the scenes is Correa is NOT happy about the payroll decisions because certain assurances were made to him when he signed about spending/competing. Who knows but it will be very interesting to monitor what happens with his contract. 2024 is going to be a really important year. I could see him bouncing back in a big way; I could see him taking on a bigger leadership role due to Buxton being a nonfactor; I could also see him get impatient with mediocrity/lack of investment; or continue to decline due to age and health issues. Big year for Carlos, should be interesting!
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    Over the last 3 decades only 1 team in the bottom 3rd of payroll has won a World Series. How much money you spend absolutely matters.
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    Please provide an example of a team in the bottom half of market size cutting payroll coming off a division title and improving. Do you think a free agent hears "cutting payroll" and thinks, yep, this team is investing in success, they're definitely building on last year's season, sign me up? (Of course it's irrelevant because the Twins won't sign any free agents due to their self-imposed salary cap.) Better players cost more; with less money to spend, you'll end up with worse players. By definition "cutting payroll" means "planning to be worse". The Pohlads certainly don't think they'll be better by cutting payroll; they think they'll make more cash. I'm highly amused by the notion around TD these days that payroll has zero impact on the quality of the team on the field. The extents some people go to defend this indefensible ownership group is just incredible. Enjoy the endless mediocrity, I guess. I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. Spending money does not guarantee a World Series. Not spending money guarantees you won't win one. The Twins should be building on last year to make a legitimate World Series push. Instead they've made a conscious decision to go backwards.
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    I suspect the Twins announcing they are cutting payroll and planning on being worse this year took some of the "special" out of it for Sonny.
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    Ok, we'll agree to disagree, I think payroll has a direct correlation on the quality of the product on the field, using the evidence that only 1 team in the bottom 1/3 of payroll has won a World Series in the past 3 decades. You think payroll has no correlation with the product on the field, using ???? as evidence. I think better players cost more. You think that because Mike Trout, perhaps the best player ever to lace up the cleats, played out of his mind as a young player (before getting a massive contract that you somehow neglected to mention), that there is zero correlation between salary and skill across all of MLB. Let's leave it at that! Good chat.
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    What is it equated with then? Just random numbers? Pull a salary from a hat? Why do you think, say, Carlos Correa makes more than JP Crawford? Are you saying that, say, the Rangers being better than the A's this year had nothing to do with payroll? Fascinating takes. Tell me more!
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    The oddest thing about this whole thread is you seeming to think there is no correlation between product and payroll. If you go to Best Buy to buy the best tv possible - focus on the product, after all - but you set a firm limit of $200, are you going to get the best product? Asked another way: do you think how much a player makes is related to their performance? If so, do you agree that good players are more expensive than bad players?
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    Excellent summary of the issue and the Pohlad mindset. They truly believe there are only two types of fans: good fans, who spend piles and piles of cash every single year regardless of the product on the field, and terrible fans, who don't. Never forget Dave St Peter blaming fans for the September 2021 meltdown. Never forget Jim Pohlad's "aw shucks, we're getting contracted" letter in which he literally says he can't come up with an answer to the question: "Why shouldn't the Twins be contracted?" (I dunno Jim, maybe the fans?) Also the suggestion that if the Pohlads magically make more revenue without investing first, they're going to turn around an re-invest in the team is just hilarious.
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    hahahahahahahahahahahahah you know you're arguing a solid position when you have to distort the truth in order to fit your narrative. Seriously, I think you would benefit from a basic understanding of economics. Check out your local library. All this would make much more sense for you.
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    hahahahhaha they invested in their product and their revenues went up! What a concept!
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    Lol, they're not going to be 16th this year! Thanks for proving my point! And you must have missed the part about investing when you have an open window. Show me a World Series winner who slashed payroll and made their team worse the previous offseason. I'll wait. And again, even if they were 16th, it isn't good enough. 1 team ranked that low has won a Series in the past 3 decades. Even Kansas City upped their spending when their window was open. As a fan I'd like to see the team make a serious run at a World Series. I've been waiting 30 years for it. But it hasn't happened, because the Pohlads aren't intelligent enough to understand that investing in their product - investing in winning - will actually make them more profits and build long-term customers than the short-sighted penny-pinching they've done for decades. Look, I get it, you're a Pohlad fanboy and you think your job as a fan is to blindly defend everything the team does. That's your right as a fan. Enjoy the mediocrity!
  19. Woof Bronzer
    Political????
  20. Woof Bronzer
    My proposal is that the Twins should generally spend at or just above its market size, and that if the "window is open", the team should increase its investments accordingly to try to win a World Series when the stars are aligned. These increased investments can come from higher-than-anticipated profits from previous years (how come we never, ever hear the Twins say they're increasing payroll because revenues were higher than anticipated?), the enormous gains in franchise value that the wealth-hording Pohlads have realized since they bought the team, or, yes, pocket change. I don't think you realize how much fricking money a billion dollars is, much less 5bil or whatever the Pohlads are worth. Chipping in $30mil out of pocket to capitalize on a decent 2023 to take advantage of the AL Central window being open is the equivalent of someone worth $50k spending $375. It's absolutely absurd to suggest that the owner of a professional baseball team, one of the richest families on the planet, shouldn't be expected to pony up some pocket change to make the team better, especially when fans gifted the Pohlads with a half billion dollar cash cow.
  21. Woof Bronzer
    Someone got a word of the day calendar for his birthday! If getting a half billion dollars in taxpayer money as a private company to build a cash cow stadium isn't "corporate welfare" then words have no meaning.
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    If you think any MLB team is losing money that's absolutely hilarious. Your arms must hurt terribly from carrying water for this organization. I truly don't understand defending stingy billionaires who have nothing but contempt for fans like you.
  23. Woof Bronzer
    Based on how the Twins have discussed the TV contract, yes, that's a fair assumption! They've somehow managed to be surprised that the contract is expiring despite knowing this day was coming for a decade; a year ago they TURNED DOWN a 1 year extension offer for BSN in the range of $45mil; they've lowballed themselves by talking about how meager a future deal is going to be; they've told anyone who is listening that they aren't counting on any TV revenue for 24, thus lowballing themselves even further; and they are telling fans that they are being punished for all this business savvy by being treated to a worse team in 24, which closes the circle of self-owns because viewership is directly correlated to team success and being worse is going to ensure a worse tv deal. Yeah I think there's plenty of reason to question this group's competence. Just because they're rich doesn't mean they know what they doing.
  24. Woof Bronzer
    Conversely, lack of investment is absolutely proven not to work. Since the Twins' last Series only 1 team with a payroll rank at or below the Twins level (16-20 ish) won the World Series. Spending a bunch of cash is no guarantee of success. Not spending cash, however, is pretty much guaranteed to not win you a Series.
  25. Woof Bronzer
    Those poor Pohlads! Why can't they ever catch a break?
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