Woof Bronzer
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Biggest concern from me is this entire organization, from its words and actions from ownership down to the players, from the minute the offseason started to free agency to spring "training" to Week 1, firmly believes they are going to cakewalk to this division title. They might still be right. But in my experience the baseball gods don't look too favorably upon hubris. And the "vibes" around this team right now are not good.
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Mostly by spending money! One team in the bottom third of payroll has won the Series since 91. So if you think the Twins strategy of cutting payroll, dumping salary, and exchanging proven major league talent for fliers, is a good way to build a "sustainable" good product, then we (and history) disagree. Do you have those lineups showing 9 better Twins hitters than Polanco yet? We're all waiting...
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Yes, Mr. Dunning-Kruger, I'm going to go out on the limb and suggest that Falvey saying "I think our focus might turn more to the position player route", coupled with the actual fact that the Twins did not pursue or sign another starter, meant they were done looking for starters. Your take seems to be that Falvey lied and the Twins were actively pursuing a starter and failed. Which would make Falvey really incompetent, and a liar to boot. Interesting take.
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Wow. Bravo, sir, bravo. Gotta admit, though, I was kinda looking forward to a condescending, arrogant, and factually wrong lecture on the concept of revisionist history. Maybe the poster can use himself as a shining example.
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Correct, if they would have gotten a good pitcher who would help the team instead of a hurt one who will never throw a pitch for the Twins, yes, fans would be more supportive of the move. Brilliant take.
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The amount of injured players in this organization on April 1 is staggering. Something aint working.
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Not sure if this is a serious question, but hockey has SLIGHTLY more contact than baseball. Plenty. It's a big problem. What about the rash of injuries yesterday and in spring training makes you believe it's all random? Well, if spring training is supposed to prepare teams for the grind of the season, I'd say it's not succeeding in that goal on the injury front. Increased emphasis on throwing as hard as humanly possible for pitchers, and swinging as hard as humanly possible for hitters. The body is not designed to make these violent motions thousands of times at high force, much less maximum force. It's a matter of stress and strain - basic engineering concepts.
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Maybe that's the problem, they're overworking. I find it equally odd when fans look at the IL on day 1 of the season and say "guys get hurt, nothing to see here." What other sport has a rash of injuries occur on the first day of the season? When baseball has more injuries than a sport like hockey something is very wrong.
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It's truly a measure of how sideways the modern sabermetric-obsessed game has become when fans are trained that the ONLY way to pitch is to chuck the ball as hard as humanly possible every single time and OBVBIOUSLY this means most chuckers are going to destroy their arms and if you didn't unquestioningly accept this you're a stupid rube. In a few years some cutting edge team is going to try a grand experiment in which starters DON'T actually chuck it as hard as possible every time but experiment with mixing speeds and taking a few MPH off the heater in an effort to prolong careers. They'll call it "pitching" and minds will be blown.
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I'm not really a fan but calling Derek Falvey a "local idiot" is a bit extreme imo.
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By this logic the major league roster definitely got slapped in the face last year en route to the playoffs, while the Lopez and Mahle trades in 2022 were "trying" and resulted in the team staying home in October. If I have to vote I'm voting for face slaps, sorry.
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I'd say the harm is the Twins draining their farm system of the talent it would take to swing a deadline deal for a frontline starter.
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They literally did nothing last year?
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The Pohlads are worth somewhere north of $4 billion dollars. You are suggesting that a $150 mil payroll is spending more than their means? Can you explain your math to me? To me $150mil is well short of $4bil, very much within their means, but perhaps you disagree.
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Trying to understand if this is a joke or not. Just about every risky starter we've traded for has gotten hurt, and many of the guys we gave up in return have been positive contributors for new teams. In my opinion this "process" has been an unmitigated disaster, though it's hard to totally blame the FO for this year because they were prevented by ownership from improving the team. When you self-impose spending constraints you end up with "wish and a prayer" guys like Descalfione instead of good players like Sonny Gray. Which is why bottom-third payroll teams simply don't win World Series.
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He said every year. Which is accurate. Don't let facts get in the way though!
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Guy who literally posts spreadsheets defending the Pohlads suddenly wants to "move on". Can't make it up. I don't blame you though, the Dbacks prove false your thesis that all teams do and must act the way the Pohlads have acted this offseason. They don't, it's a decision. The Dbacks had postseason success last year and decided to build on it, even with TV uncertainty. Smart move.
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Can you answer the question: if you have a budget, and you get one-time revenue, is it smart to budget for that revenue in future years?
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If anyone can debate it, Mr. Ready will!
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For a guy who constantly excoriates people about "facts" you sure have a tenuous grasp on them. You somehow forgot the largest FA contract in Twins history. And $30 mil for a backup catcher. So yeah, other than the $230 mil you missed, good comment!
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Carl Pohlad did a lot of "right-sizing" when he foreclosed on family farms coming out of the Depression. He enjoyed it so much that he returned to right-sizing in the 70s and 80s when he got into the fun world of corporate raiding. And who can forget the Pohlads offering to "right-size" the Twins franchise via contraction if the city didn't pony up with some welfare for a new stadium. You could say "right-sizing" is a Pohlad family tradition!
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I applaud Joe Pohlad for his honesty. I rip the Pohlads when they lie and it's oddly refreshing to see the a Pohlad so baldly and concisely lay out their vision for the Twins. Mentioning Tampa and Baltimore as models for success was no accident: they had 2 of the lowest payrolls in baseball, and neither has won a World Series in Joe Pohlad's lifetime. Success, to the Pohlads, has nothing to do with winning a World Series, and Joe wanted to make sure fans understand this. I hope fans listen to him!
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3 True Lies From the Twins Offseason
Woof Bronzer replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Your argument is....what exactly? Are you disagreeing that the Twins got a $500m handout? Are you disagreeing that the Pohlads threatened to leave or contract the team if they didn't get their handout? You are screeching about "how things work" but provide nothing to the contrary. I'm sorry if it triggers you but those things happened. If you don't think there's a correlation between payroll and success, can't help you. Since 91 only 1 team 18th or lower in league payroll has won a Series. I cheer for the Twins to see them win; the Pohlads operate the Twins solely to make cash. Yeah, the Pohlads affect my fandom. Do you think, say, A's fandom is affected by the actions of their owner? Did George demand welfare from his city because he needed it in order to produce great hot dogs, threaten to leave the state if he didn't get what he wanted, successfully receive that money, and then spend several years producing crappy hot dogs and pocketing the excess welfare to line his own pockets? If not, do you think this is an appropriate analogy?- 108 replies
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The stadium deal? The one where the Twins invented a secret group of investors that was going to move them to North Carolina if the Twins didn't get the stadium? The one where, when that tactic failed, the Pohlads went all in on threatening contraction as their next hostage strategy. The Pohlads literally sent out a letter to their staff saying fans didn't spend enough on the team so they were going to get contracted, oh well. The TF stadium saga was done in bad faith, in smoky backrooms, with the sole intention of getting a public handout and lining the Pohlad pockets with millions of dollars of other people's cash. It's interesting how selective you are being with the options. Why? The entire AL Central has had more postseason success than the Twins under Pohlads 2.0. So, all of them? How about Houston in the West? 7 straight ALCS's, might they be doing something right? To answer your questions, probably every owner except Oakland's. Cleveland's and KC's might be a push. If we may expand this exercise to the rest of the league, the model that none of the water carriers ever mention is St. Louis. Very close model to us, very similar market size and that franchise is a well run organization that proves that consistent investment in the product leads to long term revenue gains in TV, fan engagement, etc. They've won Series, they're consistently good, and fans love them. But I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse why we can never be like the Cardinals.
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The fact that other bad owners exist in the world does not give the Pohlads a pass in my book.
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