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The Twins Shouldn't Trade Sonny Gray Out of Panic
Beast replied to Lou Hennessy's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
They shouldn’t do it out of panic. They should do it out of solid sustainable roster management and enough self-awareness to realize this team isn’t good enough to win anything. Also, looking at Gray, he’s 35, he doesn’t have an incredibly durable history (he’s pitched 175 innings once since 2018). He’s being a little overrated by Twins fans, I think. He’s sporting a 1.27 WHIP this year, which is actually higher than his career average. His K/BB ratio is the worst it’s been since 2017-2018 when he posted 4+ ERAs in both years. He’s come back down to earth fairly hard, with a 4.13 ERA over his last 7 starts, a 1.37 WHIP, while averaging 5.5 innings. His K/BB ratio is up fairly significantly. He’s almost certainly gone after this year. An article came out recently that he may even retire. If that happens, do you even get a comp pick? Lastly, I’m sure he’d be OK with a trade. He clearly has significant differences with Baldelli in terms of how he’s handled. Good pitcher, but we wouldn’t be trading prime Jake DeGrom, here. If you get the right return, by all means pull the trigger. The farm system has been raided in recent years and there’s not a whole lot to look forward to at this point. If they’re not going to be aggressive and make a move to win at the deadline, you have to sell. Sitting on your hands hoping this hapless roster turns it around is foolish. -
Doesn’t matter what the prognosticators say. The FO is being paid to get the evaluations right and put a winning team together. Most prognosticators have no clue what they’re talking about. That’s why they’re prognosticating and haven’t been hired by a team to put a winning team together. No matter how you want to spin it, everyone is right to be disappointed. At this point, if they had done their job well, this team should be better. They didn’t plan for this team to be .500 (a lot of those system failures you’re referring to were intentional rebuilds - were trying to be a contender). We’re not exactly waiting in any Uber prospects either. We have no pitchers in the top 100. After the draft, we may have 2 hitters barely cracking top 50 lists. Brooks Lee doesn’t looks like a transformational superstar by any stretch, and Jenking is 5-6 years away. We’re also weighed down by two large contract for underperforming players. So, what’s the future here? Looks pretty damn bleak, from where I’m viewing things. The cumulative stats tell you we have the league’s top pitching staff in the first half. That is not sustainable. The absurd starts to the season by multiple guys has already faded and we’ve seen that. It’s a good starting staff, but there are better ones. The bullpen is an absolute horror show outside of one, maybe two, guys. The way they’ve been playing the last couple of months, this wont be a .500 team at year end. Those not disappointed with how this is going just have lower expectations. More power to you. I wish that’s how I felt, and could just sit down and enjoy watching this mess.
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It would be so Minnesota Twins to refuse a 6 man rotation and burn a handful Ober’s starts in AAA when you thought you had a healthy Mahle, then use it to force the decayed remains of both Maeda and Keuchel and their 87 mph heaters into the fold. I’m not opposed to a 6 man, but looking at those two scenarios juxtaposed reveals the absurdity (if it were to happen) of that decision making process. It’s not even close in terms of which of those two scenarios is more beneficial to the team.
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5 Reliever Trade Targets for the Twins
Beast replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This team is in no position to dealing future assets for a short-term reliever. This team has a good chance of missing the playoffs altogether. They certainly aren’t winning a series. They’re better served going to forward to start cleaning house now vs. trying I cobble together some hapless attempt at winning.- 25 replies
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I’m happy with the pick. I was hoping Clark or Langford would somehow be there, but this is what I expected. They did the right thing, here, whether or not it works out. BPA.
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People have to start getting fired. The ineptitude is just raging out of control at this point. There is no turning this ship around with the same personnel. Must have been a heck of a closed door players meeting that led to getting crushed by a score of about 57-4 in a 3 gamer. Such fortitude and courage.
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2023 Twins 10-round Mock Draft
Beast replied to Jeremy Nygaard's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
It absolutely disgusts me to take Gonzalez. As you said, after getting so lucky moving up, we end up with that. Possibly the lowest upside of anyone they could take here. Hopefully a mediocre shortstop in the majors someday. You can sign one of those for $5M on any given year. Why draft one and pay a $6M bonus? If you absolutely have to play the “saving game,” which is a bad strategy, I would prefer they go with Nimmala, Meyer, Dollander…. even one of the high schoolers like Walker Martin….basically anyone else projected in the first round that is protectable into something more than mediocre.- 56 replies
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If the Twins FO, or any other for that matter, balks at taking him because of they’re concerned about the salary, they should be fired immediately. Give me Skenes over any other player in the draft by a mile. I wouldn’t trade Skenes for any two of the other top 5. I’d gladly punt the rest of the draft for him.
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I have no info, obviously, but get the feeling that he’s the one that’ll be left at 5. If he’s there, I’d have no problem with taking him (although he’s my least favorite of the 5). People have to realize, this is an 18 year old kid. We’re talking 4-5 years until he sniffs a cup of coffee in the majors. You cannot draft (or not draft) kids like this based on positional need. We have no clue what that need will be in 4-5 years. Remember 2-3 years ago when we had the most epic logjam in the OF in MLB history? Some of those guys left, some of them have been hurt, some have been terrible, some have moved to 1B…..passing on an 18 year old based on the fact that we currently have Matt Wallner, ERod, Mercedes, and Urbina in the system is ludicrous. It’s more likely that none of them turn into good MLB players vs. we don’t have room for them all on the MLB roster.
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I actually prefer the toolsy HS OF approach of the past vs the 25 year old college corner OF/1B/DH approach of the present. Granted, the new regime hasn’t yet done that in the top 5, but I wouldn’t put anything past them at this point. I haven’t looked to see if there’s a college 1B ranked in the 30s we need to be concerned about them falling in love with.
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I wouldn’t be disappointed by this pick. If they’re going to stray from the big 5 to defer money to a later round, I’d prefer they go this route vs. someone like Teel. To be clear, I’d rather they they just take Clark, Langford, etc. But, if they feel the need to get cute, shoot for the moon in terms of potential upside.
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Nygaard Mock Draft v. 2.0
Beast replied to Jeremy Nygaard's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Just take BPA. The take a lower ranked player to save some money for later strategy isn’t something we need to do every year, and I’m not convinced it’s actually a viable strategy. What have we gotten out of that strategy to date? Enlow? If Teel is actually BPA, so be it. I’m not a huge fan of taking a catcher that early unless they’re a fairly clear cut star (Mauer, Rutschman, etc.). I don’t know enough to say he is or isn’t, but I’d rather go with one of the big 5. We seem to hear every year that teams cool on the top guys right before the draft, and actually like player X who is ranked lower. Its a negotiating tactic.- 31 replies
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Just wait until they do a salary dump and trade him for peanuts to the someone like the Yankees (better yet, the Mets or Giants). Retain some salary just to shed a portion of it, putting the roster into a black hole for multiple years (also causing ownership to never sign off in a big contract again)….then he turns back into the best shortstop in the game, wins multiple rings, and postseason MVP awards. Why don’t people even consider the possibility that it’s not the player? Everyone is defaulting to, “I didn’t even want him in the first place,”. Not realizing that it’s something toxic here. Is it just coincidence that all of these guys that we traded are thriving, and all the ones who we kept stink? Nobody is performing, except Lewis, and there’s not a lack of talent. But, give it some time for the rot to set in on Lewis. He’s still bright eyed because he has short time with the big club. They’ll break his will in due time.
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It’s time to start firing people. This has gone on long enough. The team has stunk and underachieved since 2019. I’m tired of the excuses of small sample sizes, the underlying numbers say this or that, etc. It’s time to accept that this team sucks, and it has for a long time now. 2019 might as well be a century ago. I don’t even have it in me to be upset with the FO and coaching staff anymore. This ownership group are a bunch of jellyfish. Hold somebody accountable, for crying out loud. Not only ownership, but the media. Nobody, from the players to coaches to the manager to the FO ever has to answer a tough question from the media. It’s absolutely embarrassing. Even here, all you see is articles about how Pagan is actually a great pitcher, how their drafts and trades aren’t as abysmal as they look, how Buxton DHing is genius…..but they just keep dropping baseball games like the bad news bears. They stink. They’re never winning a damn thing. Just say it. THEY STINK.
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If I’m recalling the stat correctly from a Gleeman and Geek podcast at some point, there isn’t a pitcher (maybe reliever) in baseball that has a lower WPA than Pagan over the last 4 seasons. He’s been with Minnesota for 3 of those. Thats literally the opposite of valuable. I don’t care what his FIP is over the last few weeks. He could be Mariano Rivera for the next 2 years and still not have contributed a positive WPA number as a Twin. I do applaud the creative attempt at contrarianism.
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Royce Lewis Excelling as Rare Young 5-Tool Player
Beast replied to Cody Schoenmann's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
He still has to prove he can clear the health hurdle. But, the early returns are promising. I’m not sure this team would still be afloat right now if not for his on-field contributions and infectious positivity. 5 tool may be a little strong. But he’s certainly got a number of things going for him right now- 23 replies
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I’m a CPA. I fully understand what you’re saying. But, there are limitations on the benefits of present value. There’s a point at which it doesn’t compute. There are risks in any type of investment. But, people (particularly successful, rich people) still invest their money in long-term assets (Petty) vs. having the short term liquidity (Gray). If Petty turns into an ace caliber pitcher for a number of years - it vastly outweighs a couple years of a decent starting pitcher on a team that didn’t win squat. It’s not even close. If Petty reaches those heights, the only thing that would’ve made it worth it was if we had won something. We didn’t. We blew our short term liquidity on a bunch of value meals from McDonalds. Now we just sit back and hope Petty flames out, or it was a bad trade.
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Not an awful track record, not great either. As mentioned above, Id also flip Lewis and Lee. Not even a question at this point in my mind. Lewis is looking like a decade long quality major leaguer. We don’t really know if Lee can even play in the MLB at this point. I’m just not a fan of taking guys like Sabato, Rooker, Larnach, and Wallner with high draft picks. Those were thrown away picks, IMO. Their upside is very limited, they can’t play defense well, and you can find that type of guy for relatively cheap at the MLB level every year. Maybe take one of these guys every once in a while….but half the list is this type of player. I’d prefer guys like Miller. I think I even like the thought process of the Cavaco pick better than the Sabato pick. It’s like buying a lottery ticket vs. a $1 pull tab. Hit on the former and you’re right. Hit on the latter and you’ll be lucky if you can even cover your bar tab. Even if you hit on 100 of pull tabs, it’s not making a huge difference. I loved the Petty pick. I don’t see it as a success for getting two decent years of Sonny Gray on bad team. People point to it as a positive now, but that could look real bad in a few years. But, still a good pick. #3 on the list, IMO. Maybe even #2 behind Lewis considering the draft spot.
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2nd Annual Dual Mock Draft
Beast replied to Jeremy Nygaard's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
I mean, do we have to take a “high floor” college outfielder with “(insert adjective) power” and no defense with a first round pick (including comp picks) of every draft? Doesn’t seem to work out that well (referring to the comp pick, I like Clark at 5). -
That’s one of the most therapeutic games that possible. Fantastic pitching performance. Correa and Buxton both going yard. That’s how you halt the free fall and energize an apathetic fanbase. Hopefully they can use this as a springboard and it’s a not a blip on the radar.
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Now Is Not the Time for a Six-Man Rotation
Beast replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I’d advocate for a 6 man rotation if we had the pitchers to do so. I was a vocal supporter of it when I thought Mahle and Maeda were going to be healthy. I don’t see a downside. Especially with all of these guys that are prone to injury. Alas, Mahle is out. Varland isn’t good. Meada can’t stay healthy and has looked awful in the MLB. Who knows what the heck Keuchel is going to do. There is no reason to run out a 6 man rotation if the 5th and 6th guy aren’t any good. -
Should The Twins Make A Swap At Third Base?
Beast replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Off topic a bit, but I can’t get over how awful that Marlins style hat is. Not only is this FO incapable of doing anything baseball related, but they turned our uniforms into an abomination as well. I do like the Navy and Cream uniforms with the TC logo. I’ll give them that one. Nothing else on or off the field is acceptable.

