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Good staff, not great. Highly suspect depth, not ok Farm system depth that will not be traded if it brings more payroll The issue is not so much Scalafani blowing up, but the initial trade itself and the subsequent spin. Polanco for a AAAA SP, a RP, a mid-top prospect and a flier was not a good deal. Make no mistake, Scalafani was penciled in as SP5 the moment this trade was made. Injury or not, a team with WS aspirations does not have this pitcher on their staff. The injury just makes the optics of this trade look even worse.
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A hearty thanks to Ownership and the FO for gutting the rotation this offseason... There really is no "first choice" for who is up next. Each has upside and each has glaring issues (which is why they are in AAA at the moment). Outside of Dobnak (40-man roster thing), Headrick and SWR are the next men up. Festa needs to see a few months of AAA success before he joins the mix.
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MLB is is littered with guys that started in one organization, could not gain traction, were cast off, went to another organization and found success. It might be a different approach at the plate, learning a new pitch, or just different voices emphasizing different things. It doesn't mean the initial team made a mistake in releasing them. Best of luck to those guys (except when they play the Twins).
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Twins 2024 Position Analysis: Starting Pitcher
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Obviously Eovaldi is not in the class of the other two, but his track record is also leaps and bounds ahead of any names wallowing at the back end of the Twins rotation. I have tons more confidence that he will have a successful year than Paddack will. That was the point I was trying to make...- 31 replies
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Twins 2024 Position Analysis: Starting Pitcher
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Are you really going to put the Dodgers SP in the same discussion as the Twins? Eovaldi, Scherzer, and Degrom all have EXTENSIVE history of high to supreme level performances. Are you really as or more concerned about those guys than Paddack and any of the unproven Twins pitchers they want to fill SP4 and 5? The Orioles are projected to win 84 games and finish third. They need more than hope to be WS contenders this year. If the Twins re-signed Gray and/or Maeda, or made another move (FA or trade) for a quality SP, they would be able to make a legit argument for being a top tier team. They did not do that. They let those two go HOPING that Paddack (who has not pitched well since 2019) and Desclafani (a 33 year old injury risk who hasn't pitched well since 2021) somehow pitch well and that some of their AAA prospects (prospects the Twins feel so strongly about they went and got Desclafani anyways) do something at the MLB level. They are hoping that Ryan (a solid SP3) and Ober (their best chance at a true SP2 IMO) improve. There is potential for this rotation to be solid, but don't kid yourself. Many, many things have to go right.- 31 replies
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I can understand taking fliers on injury risk pitchers. Most of these guys are very high ceiling, and as the Twins are unwilling to spend a ton on FA pitchers coming from outside the organization, this is their best chance at acquiring top-notch guys. The "prospects" they typically move for these pitchers are either lower in the ranking or systematically blocked by players above them. Along those lines, I have always felt that 4 years should be the max contract on a SP. The general injury risk is just so high. Very few teams can afford to throw away money at the back-end of contracts, including the Twins.
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Twins 2024 Position Analysis: Starting Pitcher
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Nick used the word "hope" three times in this article. That basically sums up the Twins SP this year behind Lopez. Teams that have WS aspirations should not be using the words "hope" and "starting pitcher" in the same sentence. Very very sad.- 31 replies
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I respectfully disagree. This team is not "trying" to win, though they may win the division by default. Trading viable players for prospects. Reducing payroll and publicly stating they are not spending more (which means they will not use their trade capital to take on more salary). Relying on huge questions marks with SP. This is not a team "trying" to win.
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As a person, I feel bad for him and hope that everything goes well. As a fan watching the SP, this statement about sums everything up. There is a zero chance the Twins make a move that increases payroll. Everyone better hope (there is that word again... hope) that multiple guys in AAA are ready and show some MLB success or this season is going to go downhill unbelievably quickly.
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The Big Question: Minnesota Twins Top of the Rotation
Twins GFP replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This article speaks truth. To be strong competitors this year, Ryan and Ober need to continue to improve. People everywhere are drinking the kool-aid that the Twins are the team to beat in the central or they are better than last year. Fans, pundits, everyone. The bottom line is that they do not have established SP track records to fall back on. You knew what you were getting with Gray and Maeda, you are HOPING to get what you need from Ryan and Ober. (I am not even going to address the trickle-down train-wreck that is SP4 and SP5). I am cautiously optimistic on Ryan and Ober, but the SP needs to be a top 5-7 rotation for them to have any WS aspirations. To buy in and say that the SP is going to be in the neighborhood of last year right now is unbelievably premature.- 11 replies
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Should We Be Encouraged by José Miranda's Spring?
Twins GFP replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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I wouldn't call this make or break for Kiriloff, but his window is closing. 1B is relatively easy to fill, either from inside or outside the organization. He isn't "locked" into 1B as a healthy AK could see time in the OF as well. The days of the full-time DH in baseball are effectively gone. If AK can't play defense for whatever reason, his days in Minnesota are numbered.
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Fifth Starter Conversation Turns to Chestnut
Twins GFP replied to RandBalls Stu's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Another article from Stu that is more truth than satire. Chestnut brings more to the table than DeSclafani. -
Over/Under: The Twins Best Bets in 2024
Twins GFP replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I will be the whipping boy... I will take the under on Twins wins. Assuming no moves of consequence are made, the SP will be demonstrably worse than last year. I am not buying the youth movement, 40% of the rotation is a complete unknown. Everyone is banking on bounce back years from their big names. Correa and Buxton specifically (you can include Vasquez here as well). History does not favor Buxton. Expecting Jeffers and Kepler (2nd half) to repeat what they did last year is a huge ask. Lewis, Wallner, and Julien give reason for optimism, but they all lack a body of work to feel real strongly they will maintain or improve. Jose Miranda anyone? As I have said many times, if the Twins brass felt ANY of the AAA players were ready, they would not be trading for back-end SP or backup OF. The only real known is the disaster that is the AL Central. This team smells of a .500 team that would be demonstrably worse in either other division. All of that being said, nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about this and see Twins win 93 games...- 19 replies
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What's Left in Pitching Free Agency for the Twins?
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
What does it say about how the Twins view of their AAA pitchers that they felt they needed to bring in DeSclafani to begin with? Yes, home fans tend to overvalue their prospects. Not just in Minnesota. Fans need to be open to the possibility that there is not a lot faith (current faith) that the AAA pitching prospects are MLB ready. There are a few FA SP out there that would improve this team. Even lower end guys like Odorizzi is a step up. Short of a MiLB prove-it contract, nothing will happen here. I would rather they make another trade.- 84 replies
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Bring on the "he's blocking prospect <insert name here>" comments,,, He is basically MAT with a lesser glove and a better plate approach (lower K totals).
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Anthony DeSclafani Will Sink(er) Swim
Twins GFP replied to Greggory Masterson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
You are right... Rich Hill is probably the one flier that worked. How about this: Dylan Bundy Aaron Sanchez JA Happ Matt Shoemaker Andrew Albers Throw in Lance Lynn as well (though he sucked more because he didn't care or try). Teams that try to win do not throw innings at these types of guys. -
Anthony DeSclafani Will Sink(er) Swim
Twins GFP replied to Greggory Masterson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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I am not trying to get too far away from the Brooks Lee discussion, but he falls under the AAA unknown. To your point, You are not doing this with teams that should be competing for the title. This team was close last year and upper brass has made the purposeful decision to make this team weaker this year than stronger. What "depth" are you referring to? The Twins have either moved or let go all of the proven depth. The "depth" this year is unproven minor leaguers. If that doesn't scare you right now, I don't know what will. Be optimistic, but be honest in your assessment. You can argue the bullpen is strong, but considering the year-to-year volatility of relievers, I am a more bearish than most.
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Half the flipping team is an x-factor this year: Correa, Buxton, Vasquez - will they bounce back? Julien, Lewis, Wallner - will they hit sophomore slumps or continue to improve? Kiriloff - can he stay healthy enough to secure a permanent role? Santana - can he fight off father time another year? Kepler - which version are we going to get this year? Paddack - Is he back to form following surgery? <insert AAA player here> - can they contribute at the major league level? The main problem is that the Twins need 90% of these things to go right to be successful this year...
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3 True Lies From the Twins Offseason
Twins GFP replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
For quite a few years I have been extremely optimistic heading into Spring Training and the season. Understanding the constraints the FO has worked under, it always felt like the Twins were either working to improve or actually improving. Signings and trades made in an effort to improve the team. This is the first time in a long time I am absolutely disgusted by the way the offseason was handled. Coming off a team that had World Series hopes in 2023 and potential WS expectations heading into 2024, the Admin used the TV contract situation to cut payroll knowing full well they would be getting most, if not all of that back before the season started. Then pocketing that money when it came in, despite promising to use a percentage of income for player payroll. This team is easily 5-7 games worse this year in a division that is the worst in baseball. We all know the Pohlads are directing the FO on the finances, so the FO gets somewhat of a pass on this, but this whole situation smells of 2000-era contraction garbage. This is one fan the team will have to work harder to appease this year.- 108 replies
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