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Dear Pohlads: Don't Do This
Twins GFP replied to Eric Blonigen's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Get out and support the players? That is like saying you are going to shop at Macys over Walmart because you like the cashier. -
Dear Pohlads: Don't Do This
Twins GFP replied to Eric Blonigen's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I 100% disagree with this take. We are not just the fans, we are the customers. We are the ones that "buy" the product. Silence and apathy are ways to let ownership now how we feel, but screaming at them from the rooftops is also another way. Sometimes businesses need to be told directly that they are alienating their customer base, otherwise they may not see the level of distress they are causing -
When the Twins were TV free-agents, ownership cried they needed to lower payroll due to no television deal. Everyone knew the chances of the Twins entering into the 2024 season without some sort of TV deal were zero. The Twins got their deal. The Twins will probably scream this again this offseason as there are already rumblings of further payroll reductions (and because they believe Twins fans are dumb and will always return) even though we all know there will be some sort of television deal again next year. If the Twins followed their past pronouncements and spent roughly %50 of this year's TV money, that is another $20m that could be spent on Starting Pitching.
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To call this non-recurring revenue would be saying that the Twins will not have a television deal next year. We know that is false. Just like last year, we know the Twins will have some sort of television revenue. This year it was $40+ million (and that was low). Next year it would be that at it's worst. The Twins wonder why attendance is down in when they are on pace to win 90 games? Keep pocketing 100% of that revenue, instead of re-investing a portion of that back into salary...
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People are missing a few things: Going 0-anything at this level requires a certain amount of bad luck. Line drives hit right at people, etc. Not everyone is cut out to be a good PH. The mental makeup to sit for 2 hours then come in and be a productive hitter can be difficult. Margot has historically not been a great PH, I am sure the luck factor is part of this year's equation too. Margot is a useful piece to this team. Changing roles and expectations can mess with a players confidence. I guarantee you that nobody feels worse about his PH this year than Margot.
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Cole Sands success has to be taken with a grain of salt. The year-to-year inconsistency of RP is well documented. SWR provides reason for optimism. As a 3/4 starter long term, he could provide rotation stability that every team needs in those rotation slots. Larnach is a an interesting case. Has he truly finally figured it out or is he just having a nice stretch. This will be an interesting offseason for the Twins OF. Do they attempt to roll the dice with Larnach/Wallner/Kiriloff/Martin around Buxton or do they try to bring Kepler back to provide some stability. Larnach's rest of the season may be the biggest impact on Kepler's potential future as a Twin.
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Thank you for providing an article that is in the world of reality instead of the fantasy "Who will the Twins trade for?" volume we have been getting the last few weeks. Trade deadline moves would have to be salary reducing or neutral. Otherwise nothing will happen. After the season, moving Vazquez at the price of a teens-level prospect makes sense if possible. Kiriloff feels a little like a sell-low situation. How many options he has left will probably drive his situation.
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As was addressed elsewhere, MAT did not come back to the Twins because of the million dollar difference. (Hindsight not being the issue). With overwhelming evidence to the contrary, what reason is there to believe the the Twins will make ANY move that increases payroll? We see article after article here discussing who the Twins should trade for when there is basically a zero percent chance of them bringing in someone currently outside the organization as that would increase payroll. Is there any new information out there that says otherwise?
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Everything they have said and done so far this year does more than just suggest they won't. They went with Margot over MAT to save about million, do you really think they will throw $5M or even $1M out there to go along with the prospects they will need to move to improve this team? Has there been any talk anywhere of the team changing course and be willing to take on additional payroll? If not, every single one of these "Who should the Twins trade for" articles is a complete act of wishful thinking
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Is there any reason to believe the Twins will increase their payroll over the last 2 months of the year? I mean ANY reason? Insider scuttlebutt? Non-public information? I ask because these articles about potential trade targets continue to be pumped out with zero reason to believe they will increase payroll one nickel, which basically any trade will do.
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Interviewing is not necessarily the same as actively looking. I can think of a handful of reasons to interview for "lateral" moves (especially when there are only 30 in total available) that do not mean I am looking to move. I can also think of a handful of reasons why qualified individuals may not be picked for a job over equal or less qualified individuals. People always think the grass is greener on the other side. IF the Twins decided to move on from Falvey, are you so sure that the next person in will be better? Considering how hamstrung the Twins FO is by ownership, are you truly so confident that finding an improvement in that office will be automatic?
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Next year is next year. This year Santana needs to play. The Twins will do what they have always done: slide guys around when needed. Injuries will drive a lot of the decisions, but if Correa is out, expect more from Farmer and Martin (who will get every opportunity)
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Nelson is right. Gleeman is right. Don't confuse the success the Twins are having this year with the financial decisions made by ownership. The Twins are having success this year in spite of ownership, not because of it. They are beating up on the terrible teams and getting killed by the good teams. This is not a recipe for long term success. I have been yelling since last Fall that I don't understand why the Twins fans aren't revolting because of the public decisions being made by ownership. I guess they are... The Twins are not on television and game attendance is down. This means less fans are watching, or caring about, the product. How anybody does not see this as a problem is beyond me.
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Four Takeaways From the Minnesota Twins' First Half
Twins GFP replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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For an article that is using a lot of metrics and contract comparisons to not include the same information on Correa is a real miss. The contract itself is the big key. If Correa is bad, they can opt out comparatively early. If he continues to be good, he stays. The clubhouse effect and leadership qualities can't be understated.
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The recent mid-season awards article on ESPN had SWR ranked 2nd in their AL ROY rating. A distant 2nd, but still 2nd. While there is still a lot of season left, SWR is firmly in the discussion. For the record, Gil is 1st and he is also a pitcher.
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I have never said signing FA pitchers was the answer. The fact that they forcibly dropped payroll meant ANY move for a quality SP was a non-starter. There are pitchers that could be had right now for basically nothing, but it would require a payroll bump.
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Outside of Lewis, injuries have not been the problem. From an on-field standpoint, my biggest issue this offseason was pitching. They did nothing to shore up the rotation after Gray and Maeda left, and the team is paying for it. The Paddack and Varland gambles did not pay off. Lopez has not been good. This 22nd ranked ERA staff would be in shambles if it wasn't for SWR coming relatively out of nowhere and Ryan having an up season. This team that supposedly had WS aspirations after last year made one move to build depth (Santana) and went all in on the youth (Wallner, Julien, Kiriloff) with no real contingency plans. That has not exactly worked out well either.
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So you are glorifying the "Minnesota Bipolar"? You can't publicly berate the Twins because we do not do that in Minnesota? You are correct in that teams value increases over time. This is why their off-season moves were so discouraging. They are worried about nickels today when the discussion is Ben Franklins in the future.
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So we don't really know, unless there is a uniform formula for operating income (which there isn't). Again, not looking to argue, but these numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. I find it extremely hard to believe the Cubs earn almost twice as much as the White Sox.
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Not looking to argue... I assume this is for 2023. What revenue does this refer to? Certain types? All of it?
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Most people forget professional sports is a combination of business and competition, with competition almost always taking a backseat to the business. But the Pohlads are not even attempting to walk this line. My disgust with this team this year has nothing to do with the "effort" of the players on the field (though with the number of underperforming players this year, there is an argument to be made). My disgust is the position ownership has put the team and the fans in. There is no reason to believe ownership cares at all about the product or the fans. From intentionally lessening the on-filed product to the horrible TV contract decisions they made this year... as a fan I am supposed to just shrug my shoulders and just hand over money to them? When this team makes no improvement moves at the deadline, or makes further moves to reduce payroll at the expense of winning, and the Twins finish 3 games out of a playoff spot, are you just going to shrug your shoulders and buy another Twins jersey?
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Baseball economics is different with some of the big market teams, not all. Ownership for teams like the Yankees and Dodgers could pocket a larger percentage of their income, but they don't. They spend it. It isn't completely about the wins and losses. It is about how we-as-fans are treated by ownership.
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Practically the same is not the same, especially with the huge drop off in pitching. Factor in a few strategic positional losses to go with a virtual complete implosion of the younger guys, and you have a below-average team. Ownership drives the FO decisions. The FO decisions drive the results on the field. Ownership not giving the FO the ability to add to or change the on-field product leaves the Twins in the situation they currently are: slowly falling back, only even in the discussion because of a two week beat down on the worst teams in baseball. I still listen to most every game (at least the ones where Gladden is not on the radio). I still am a fan of the the team. But if you look at last year to this year, it was a huge step back. A huge INTENTIONAL when it didn't need to be.
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So as a Twins fan I am not allowed to be critical of the organization? Or are you just being contrarian to my comments like you always do. While I dislike the Yankees as much as any other Twins fan, you have to respect how they treat their fans. They aren't afraid to spend the money they make in an effort to win.
