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Pohlad Family Greed Killed the 2024 Twins
Twins GFP replied to Cody Schoenmann's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This may not be a popular opinion, but I am of the belief owners of big 4 sports team have a certain degree of civic duty to the cities and areas they play in. Virtually every team is subsidized in some fashion by the local tax payers (think stadiums and arenas), I also believe perception is a HUGE part of this. We, as fans, want to know that ownership cares about the outcome of the outcome of their teams as much as they do. Reinvesting a portion of the TV revenue, making a reasonably cost move at trade deadline, other fan-friendly moves would have probably gone a long way towards rebuilding fan interest and faith. It isn't always about winning the WS. Don't publicly complain about a million here or there when you are swimming in billions. It may be a solid reasoning, but we as fans do not want to hear it. My biggest issue, the one I have been screaming about since last year, is just hold true to form. When you say you are going to spend a % of income on salary, then you don't follow through, you deserve to get bashed. $30m in tv revenue pocketed instead of $14m (or whatever the % is) reinvested would have killed a lot of this conversation. Perceived effort matters.- 65 replies
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Pohlad Family Greed Killed the 2024 Twins
Twins GFP replied to Cody Schoenmann's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
And in other news of the obvious: Water is wet!- 65 replies
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Twins Announce GM Thad Levine Will Not Return for 2025
Twins GFP replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Wow... this is definitely a first. A Griffith apologist. The list of negative things the Griffith family did to the Twins organization is so long I wouldn't even know where to start. I have been around long enough to watch games at the Met... The 87' Twins won the WS with arguably the worst team to win a WS in the two-divsion era. The 1991 Twins won because Scott Erickson had CY worthy season, Jack Morris had a resurgent season, Knoblauch won ROY, and a few others came together. They went from 74 wins to 95 wins, 2 years later they were back to 71 wins. It was a perfect storm. I am not saying the FO is without scrutiny, but you discount the growth this organization has seen since Falvy et. al. came on board. Look at this year. Look what they got out of what they had on the field due to injury and lack of options until everything died at the end. To not be able to do anything to improve on last year is not a FO problem, but an ownership one. As for Miami and Tampa having semi-regular success, it is true. Lightning does strike for these teams before they trade everyone away. Imagine how good those teams would be they could compete financially with ownership groups that cared about the team.. Feel free to blame the FO for everything wrong with the team right now. The last two years ownership gave the FO some financial flexibility to work with, and look how they did. With nothing to work with this year, the wheels fell off. To say ownership has no responsibility here is just flat out wrong.- 122 replies
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Twins Announce GM Thad Levine Will Not Return for 2025
Twins GFP replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
There is an unspoken ceiling with this team. Unless this team greatly overachieves, has surprises, luck, or all, this team will habitually max out as "good to very good", never great. The only true needle-moving thing that could happen would be a new owner.- 122 replies
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Twins Announce GM Thad Levine Will Not Return for 2025
Twins GFP replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
You can't make comments like this. There are too many people out there that won't acknowledge the positive steps this FO has made- 122 replies
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What exactly do you propose gets written? Another 40 articles about potential trade deadline moves that everyone knew would never happen? How about an in-depth analysis of the potential off-season moves the Twins will make this season (Hint: None) I know... The Festa/Varland/Matthews trifecta of 6+ ERA from the youth. Buxton played 100 games this year. Ober showed promise. Correa (when healthy) earned his contract. Other than that, I got nothin...
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I don't think MLB is here due to lack of intelligence or foresight. I think they are here because the richer teams currently have no incentive to change (currently, mind you) as they have the best of both worlds: regular success and large revenue streams. Also, owners have to approve all sales, so they determine who gets to join the club, denying any real change proponents (Mark Cuban...). As long as teams like Tampa, Miami, even Oakland continue to exist and be profitable or increase in value, things will never change on a league-wide scale. I fear the only real change will come when teams are truly losing money AND overall value with contraction a real issue (not a political one like our good friend Bud tried to push). By then it may be too late. The reason you will never see a salary cap has to do with trust, both amongst the owners and between the owners and players. It would require ALL teams to open their books to each other and (to an extent) the MLBPA to ensure that a negotiated cap is "fair". That will never, ever happen. Holy cow is this going to be a depressing offseason...
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You have summed up most of the issues here... People forget how the NBA, NFL, and NHL all came about. The NBA and NHL were once basically dead, the NFL had a ton of infighting. It wasn't until each of them determined that pushing the league as a whole was more lucrative then regional marketing. How else would cities like Green Bay and San Antonio have teams that are so popular and financially strong. MLB owners have always looked at today and never looked at tomorrow. This is not new news. As long as NY and LA (along with a few others) refuse to play ball, there will be zero chances of this working out long term. As bad as it is now, the 70% of the teams that generate the smaller incomes will continue to dwindle. Going back to an 8 team would not surprise me in my lifetime.
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To follow up on this, how many Ron Washington and Carl Willis types do you see in the coaching ranks? Look no further than the Twins history with Tom Kelly and Ron Gardenhire. These guys were not "naturals", they had to indoctrinate themselves into every facet of the game, busting their butt just to make it to the majors. They had to learn how squeeze what they could out of their limited talent. They had to learn how to deal with constant negativity, lack of success, and keeping the right mental approaches to keep their spot. It makes perfect sense that these types of guys become solid coaches. The relatability factor is real. Anybody with kids knows you can tell them something until you are blue in the face, but sometimes it takes a different voice, a different approach to finally get them to listen or understand what you are saying. Considering this might be the biggest acquisition of the offseason (players included), the Twins really need to get this one right.
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I am not as down on Rocco as many seem to be. While I understand he is ultimately responsible for the on-field product, a lot went wrong that he wasn't able to directly effect: injuries, actual player performance, younger players vastly stinking, zero support from ownership. I would put him in the C-C+ range. People are screaming for him to be fired, but I am not so sure that whoever ownership brings in will be any better off. Now his coaches are another story. You forgot to give Tommy Watkins an F as well, possibly the most deserved F outside of ownership. Maki may get another year, but I have a hard time seeing how he keeps his job. There is zero growth coming from the staff, with some guys regressing. St. Peter's F was well earned this year too. Unfortunately there is no light at the end of this tunnel until the team negotiates a national vs. regional tv contract, and they hire someone with even the smallest modicum of marketing skills. I would give Pohlad a B, because I am sure the Twins made money this year and that is all he cares about. (hint: this is sarcasm)
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Pitchers
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Staumont, Bowman, Tonkin (along with Blewitt) actually pitched pretty well for the Twins. Just saying...- 28 replies
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Pitchers
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Minor league stats do not matter in this type of ranking. I also do not give a tremendous amount of weight to "expectations" for rookies. That being said: Alcala = B+ (Quietly the Twins 4th best reliever despite the team never trusting him) Festa = F Matthews = F Varland = F- The leash was WAAAAAAYYYYYY to long for these guys, but it was given due to lack of options Thielbar = F (Horrendous season for the once strong reliever) No issues with the other grades, other then maybe a small uptick for Ryan (B+?)- 28 replies
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Hitters
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
You are making the argument to re-sign Santana for another year (which I would be totally fine with if they can get him on another 1-yr, $5-7m deal.- 73 replies
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Hitters
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I gave Buxton an A-. I thought he played very well. IMO, rookies have no real expectations, you have to go more off of performance. Outside of SWR, the Twins rookie crop this year was very underwhelming- 73 replies
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Hitters
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
No issues with raising the bar, but that is a Pohlad issue, not a Santana issue. Factoring in salary, the Santana FA signing was probably top 2-3 in baseball this past offseason.- 73 replies
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Hitters
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Then your expectations for a 38 yr-old, $6 million veteran were slightly higher than mine.- 73 replies
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Hitters
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Fair question. Using hitting only: - He greatly exceeded pre-season expectations - Second on the team in Games and PA (not injury related, but an important factor in his numbers) - Led the team in HR and RBI I think the expectation piece is a huge part of this. We expected Lewis to provide more, but his second half destroyed his numbers. Lewis first half = A, second half = D. the C grade feels fair. If you don't think expectations are part of this discussion, then feel free to lower Santana's grade.- 73 replies
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Disappointing in that the writing was on the wall. The Twins have a strong core in place, both pitching and defensively, but ownership forced the FO to role the dice with youth and retreads everywhere, basically getting nothing out of anyone and doing nothing to help correct the situation. Make no mistake that injuries played a huge part in how this year went. But 20% of pitched innings went to Paddack, Varland, Matthews, Festa, and Thielbar. Not acceptable for a team supposedly in playoff contention.
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Grading the 2024 Minnesota Twins: Hitters
Twins GFP replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I agree that injuries should not be part of the equation. That being said: Correa = A Buxton = A- Santana = B+ (factoring in his defense, he basically anchored the team this year) Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't our catching unit rank in the top third on offense in baseball this year? Interesting that you gave out C/D grades for that... What also scares me is that Julien (F), Miranda, (D+), Martin (D+) and probably Lee (D) are all currently penciled in to start or be heavy rotation players next year...- 73 replies
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