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Holds pretty true. The White Sox combined for -6.3 WAR for position players (puke). Their pitching staff was also poor, but not so hysterically bad at +9.8 WAR.

The article addressed the Twins: I have no idea what the writer is talking about, though. It seems like he's just kind of looking at names and deciding which ones he likes/recognizes. I can't imagine what depth the Twins could possibly have needed to add to the rotation. I could understand if the article was specifically about rotations, and ceiling of the rotation. The Twins are ranked #6 in MLB for rotation projection, but they're also 0.5 WAR away from being #11.

Why do you think 3B is the natural position for a guy with a weak arm and limited range? Because the Twins asked him to play there as part of their depth jockey game? Honestly, Miranda would be a better fit at 2B than 3B (same exact athleticism profile as Brooks Lee). The front office chose the all bat, no defense design as what they wanted, but aside from that, what does Miranda's play at 3B have to do with playing him at 1B? Btw, Miranda doesn't strike out much. He's in the top 15% of all hitters with 400+ PA. Miranda is like a Luis Arraez with a little less hit tool and a little more pop.

I have many issues with WAR / Salary, but the biggest is low production has a net drag on a team's playoff chances. If you sign a $6.0 MM player and they produce 1.0 WAR, you can claim it was a good deal because the average free agent cost per WAR is $8.0MM. But do you really want a starting position player generating 1.0 WAR? Consider... AAA replacement team 45 wins 117 losses record expected 9 batters at 2.5 WAR = 22.5 5 rotation at 2.0 WAR = 10.0 8 bullpen at 0.5 WAR = 4.0 4 bench at 1.0 WAR = 4.0 Total = 40.5 WAR = 85.5 wins. This is a general guideline for what you need from players to field a bare minimum playoff caliber team. WAR production under the guidelines means another player has to carry the team for the weaker performance. The truth is, in terms of production a 1.0 WAR $6MM starter is a net drag on the team, and finding 1.0 WAR players is easy AF. They're available every year on the waiver wire or for MiLB contracts. I'd say a scale like this would be better. 1.0 WAR = $1MM 1.5 WAR = $4MM 2.0 WAR = $12MM 2.5 WAR = $15MM 3.0 WAR = $20MM 3.5 WAR = $25MM 4.0 WAR = $30MM 4.5 WAR = $35MM 5.0 WAR = $40MM I'd like to see an analysis where free agents were compared by production in brackets to see what free agents for any given quality were costing.

Bader is going to play every day, I suspect. He'll take PA away from Larnach and Wallner on a regular basis except when Buxton is hurt or resting at DH. Baldelli has shown a desire to shield Larnach from LHP to the extreme, less extreme with Wallner.

I'm pretty sure it's a compression sleeve on his right arm. Polanco used to play with one all the time.

The Twins haven't typically gone top shelf FA's, but they've added a LOT of top shelf talent in recent years through extensions, trades and signings. Josh Donaldson Carlos Correa x2 Sonny Gray Byron Buxton Pablo Lopez All those guys were considered pretty high end and the Twins either extended their team control, traded for them with multiple years of control or signed them as free agents under multi-year deals. When it comes to low cost, one year additions, the Twins have gotten okay value for the contracts themselves, and they've flipped value as well. Lets be frank at how valuable these players have REALLY been. Carlos Santana worked out great. Michael A Taylor was solid, but nothing special. Joey Gallo and Andrelton Simmons were net negatives, though maybe Simmons' $10.5MM deal eclipses low cost thresholds.

Sure, if it makes you feel better, Gasper only played 33% or whatever at catcher. I'd be surprised if he got regular time at catcher for the Twins, too. Not really the point. The point is Vazquez isn't an MLB caliber catcher, he's likely going to provide negative value this year so replacing him with a AAA caliber player isn't a net loss, and we have 4 potential options to choose from. If the Twins can't get -0.5 to 0.5 WAR (the reasonable range for Vazquez) out of one of those 4 players at catcher then that's a totally different issue. I was on board with the Twins can't trade Vazquez when it was only Winkour and Camargo as AAA depth. Now that the Twins have added Gasper and Cartaya, it's a non issue.

Miranda will be above average at 1B. He was better than average in 2022 by the only advanced defensive metric anybody should be using in SSS (UZR), and he was far above average last year in a SSSS. OAA/DRS are ridiculously unstable.

Target Field (and most ballparks) are not owned by the teams. They're mostly owned by a county/city for many reasons. The residential zoned buildings immediately surrounding the stadiums are often the target for sports franchise owners because of the value appreciation. Since the owners don't usually keep the properties, t's not all that helpful do depreciate the low value purchased property asset in year 1 only to turn around and eat gargantuan tax gains when the owner sells the now much more valuable property to a developer in year 2 or 3 after the stadium is built. When it comes to the Twins, certainly there is some additional write down opportunity at stake, but I wouldn't think it'll be a significant factor in the sale of the franchise. If the Pohlad family was desperate, the team would have already been sold. The sale of the Minnesota Twins is undoubtedly to free up additional liquidity for the family to diversify their holdings, but it doesn't appear to be critical. The Twins expanded the payroll this year as further evidence of the lack of a crisis. Furthermore, MLB looks at team finances on a regular basis and requires a level of safety and liquidity to be in place. If the team doesn't have the liquidity, MLB will force team payrolls down (Padres) or outright force an owner to sell (Mets).

Gasper is a catcher. He's played half his games in the minors as a catcher. You might not consider him as adept behind the plate as any of the other Twins' catchers, but if Gasper was incapable of covering the position, he would have been playing there for 50%+ of his games for the past 10 years through college and MiLB. I'll trust projection models run by professional analysts over your personal opinion, but you're right, it's not the place to compare your personal opinion to data models when it comes to reliability.

Miranda 2022 483 PA - wRC+ 116 2023 152 PA - wRC+ 56 (off season shoulder surgery) 2024 429 PA - wRC+ 115 2025 Last chance, buddy! Every month better be way above average or else! The reality is Ty France is almost certain to be handed the every day 1B job by Baldelli. Miranda's going to have a real hard time proving he's the 1B of the future unless he's allowed to play there.

AAA+ Twins catcher depth: Ryan Jeffers, Christian Vazquez, Jair Camargo, Diego Cartaya, Mickey Gasper, Patrick Winkel. Here are the ZiPS projections for the catchers .748 OPS .744 OPS .667 OPS .615 OPS .599 OPS <--- Vazquez .586 OPS Here are the Steamer projections for the catchers .741 .717 .636 <--- Vazquez .608 .607 .602 So yeah, based on the Twins' catching depth and projection models, it would be reasonable to conclude .575 would be a fair worst case scenario, and it would also be fair to expect any or all of the catching options the Twins could choose out of AAA or MLB would be at least comparable to Vazquez at the plate. Hedges is not on the Twins' roster.

If we reversed the projections on Larnach and Wallner, I think I mostly agree. Both Buxton and Bader have long injury histories, and honestly, Larnach has his own durability issue history. Buxton will not play more than 60-80 games in CF this year. It's just not going to happen. Bader probably will miss 50 games this year based on recent seasons. If Bader is out at the same time Buxton is out, which is fairly likely, we'll see a substantial drop off in CF defense. Bader last 4 seasons injury history 2021 - April 1 - 10 Day IL - Strained forearm, Missed 4 weeks 2021 - May 25 - 10 Day IL - Hairline rib fracture, missed 6 weeks 2022 - June 27 - 10 Day IL -> 60 Day IL - Right foot plantar fasciitis, missed 3 months 2023 - March 30 - 10 Day IL - Left oblique strain, missed 5 weeks 2023 - May 30 - 10 Day IL - Right hamstring strain, missed 3 weeks 2023 - Sep 18 - 10 Day IL - Right groin strain, missed 2 weeks 2024 - July 24 - Day to Day - Mild ankle sprain, missed 1 week. Overall, I think the OF defense for the Twins will be good this year, but how good will depend a lot on Buxton. Bader's going to play a lot. If Buxton defies all the odds and has another year like last year, Bader's going to be covering a lot of corner OF time and defense should be pretty epic.

As of right now, I think this is how things will "probably" look. I think Martin will get the nod over Keirsey because Martin can play in the infield, but Baldelli may prefer to have an additional lefty option with his obsession on platooning. I suspect his is Martin's audition for replacing Castro. It's possible Lee could beat out Julien, but the Twins don't need Lee's switch hitting from the right side of the plate option this year. C - Jeffers (R) 1B - France (R) 2B - Julien (L) - 1 Option 3B - Lewis (R) - 2 Options SS - Correa (R) LF - Larnach (L) - 1 Option CF - Buxton (R) RF - Wallner (L) - 1 Option DH - Miranda (R) - 1 Option UO - Bader (R) UI/O - Martin (R) - 2 Options UI/O - Castro (S) BC - Vazquez (R) I expect guys like Gasper and Keirsey to be injury replacement depth.

Too small of a sample size to really get a good feel for France's ability in the regular season. The first cuts are done, and better players/pitchers are going to be getting more time going forward. Brooks Lee '23 ST .333/.351/.611 OPS .962 wRC+ 151 '23 MLB .221/.265/.320 OPS .585 wRC+ 62 It's easy to feast off pitchers who are trying to ease into velocity, test new pitches or practice hitting specific locations where they're struggling. That's Spring Training. Unlike most Spring Training players, Ty France is fighting for his spot on an MLB roster. He has to show his abilities and there's high pressure to produce. While other players who are guaranteed spots can focus on improving their weaknesses and making adjustments, France has to take every at bat as if it were the playoffs. In any case, he's making the team. I'd be stunned if he didn't after Baldelli's comments earlier this year, and Baldelli will likely keep putting France in there day after day no matter how poorly he performs, just like we saw with Carlos Santana out of the gate last year.

I'd prefer Brooks Lee to see at least 200 PA in AAA this year. Lee hasn't demonstrated a lot at the plate at the AAA level. He had that 100 PA last year before his call up, but apart from that, his other experience in AAA/MLB has not been good. I'd like to see him get some every day playing time and prove his bat has taken a step forward. He's got plenty of options and time. Julien is on his last option. He did technically get votes for RoY in 2023 and he produced the highest fWAR of any of Falvey's drafted position players in Twins history. Here is Eddie "doesn't know how to hit any more" Julien's track record: 4/23 - .222/.276/.444 wRC+ 96 5/23 - .229/.333/.457 wRC+ 116 6/23 - .296/.381/.407 wRC+ 122 7/23 - .369/.461/.723 wRC+ 222 8/23 - .237/.352/.303 wRC+ 91 9/23 - .210/.396/.432 wRC+ 137 4/24 - .223/.330/.500 wRC+ 136 *5/24 - .181/.272/.194 wRC+ 41 Demoted - Worthless - No good - Can't hit anymore - Trade him for a PTBNL *5/1-5/15 last year - .243/.364/.270 wRC+ 94 Literally. He had a two week slump at the end of May last year and his career was over around here. The rug was yanked out from under him in favor of golden child, Brooks Lee, and that was pretty much that. Julien was terrible in September last year, but he was solid in August. He's not been terrible in ST this year. I've never been a huge fan of Julien's, but seeing just how fast people turned on him reminds me of Brent Rooker. They're two totally different players with different skill sets, but it's the same vitriolic scenario where TD atmosphere switches the hype machine to a new target and aggressively writes off a player with plenty of potential after a small sample size of struggles.. The projection models all expect Julien to be above average at the plate. BTV literally has Julien about on par with guys like Luke Keaschall and Zebby Matthews in terms of value.

Worse than a team with a catcher who OPS'd .575 with average defense except for the instable "catcher framing" metric? As has been pointed out, Twins pitchers have gotten better results with Jeffers behind the plate in terms of runs prevented than the framing genius which is Vazquez. I'd be fine giving the backup catcher role to Gasper or Cartaya or Camargo or Winkel because there are plenty of other options if the backup catcher looks bad at this point. At least one of those guys will be a 0 WAR player this year, Vazquez will be a negative WAR guy. Or heck, Grandal is still on the FA market. Get him on a cheap deal. The world of catchers is not Christian Vazquez or a plywood cutout painted to look like a catcher.

I don't know. I would rather the Twins move Paddack since I don't think he's going to produce as well as other rotation options, and I could see another team swapping a contract savings nullifying player back to Minnesota in the process. It's just going to depend on what other teams are offering.

You taking the 800 career HRs and 150 career WAR seriously... Perhaps you also believe Aaron Judge's biggest concern is a poster on TwinsDaily's respect, too? LOL

Tarik Skubal Tigers +350 Garrett Crochet Red Sox +375 Cole Ragans Royals +900 Logan Gilbert Mariners +1200 Jacob deGrom Rangers +1200 Pablo Lopez Twins +1800 Framber Valdez Astros +2000 Shane McClanahan Rays +2000 Hunter Brown Astros +2000 Max Fried Yankees +2500 Luis Castillo Mariners +3500 George Kirby Mariners +3500 Tanner Bibee Guardians +3500 Kevin Gausman Blue Jays +3500 Bryan Woo Mariners +4000 Joe Ryan is about on par with Bryan Woo in odds. 15x lower than Skubal. Ryan has never put put Cy Young caliber numbers (sorry but a 3.55 best career ERA isn't getting it done and ERA is king for the Cy Young). Only 1 of the past 36 Cy Youngs handed out have an ERA that even starts with a "3" and that was Rick Porcello's 3.15 in 2016. On top of the performance being out of the Cy Young hopeful realm, Joe Ryan has also never pitched more than 161.2 innings in a season, and there hasn't been a Cy Young award granted to a pitcher with less than 167 innings in the past 2 decades. I know every year Joe Ryan is viewed as a 15 year old prospect who the Twins just drafted 3 years ago out of middle school and they somehow developed him on their own with no outside influences, but maybe... just maybe, it's time to accept the 29 year old veteran has already far overshot his expected ceiling of a borderline #5 starter. In order to even be considered a solid #2 arm, Ryan would have to see his performance take a major leap forward again. To put him in the Cy Young conversation is the same as putting Byron "Faster Version of Mike Trout" Buxton into the MVP conversation.

Christian Vazquez is not an MLB caliber catcher. We do not need an MLB caliber catcher to replace him.

I can see it now as Wallner is making his acceptance speech in Canton, OH, having hit 800 career home runs and registered 150 career WAR. "My only regret is MinnInPA on the TwinsDaily forums never became a believer because I wasn't able to put up 7 consecutive seasons with a 1.200 OPS AND simultaneously get below 25% strike out rates. Both Aaron Judge and I were talking about that the other day. It was the happiest moment in Judge's life when he finished the 2024 season under a 25% K rate for the first time in his career. Sure, the MVP went to Judge in 2022, but it was hollow. His K rate was 25.1%. He'd never get MinnInPA's respect with half efforts like that."

*From 2024's "The Board" first team, Orioles. 3/5 top 5 position players for the Orioles had at least one 70 grade tool. All 5 had at least one 60 grade tool. *From the White Sox, 60% of their top 5 position prospects (going all the way down to 11th in their system because it was mostly pitchers) had a 60 grade tool. *From the Athletics, 60% had a 70+ grade tool. 60% had a 60+ grade tool First 3 teams I checked and 6 of the first 15 prospects had at least one tool better than any prospect in the Twins' system.

There have been some out of touch whoppers about Joe Ryan over the years on TD... this is the most extreme. Maybe Chris Paddack will win it instead of Joe Ryan? Actually, I think Dylan Bundy will make a comeback and win it. Yeah!