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Where did I argue Graterol is a "better" relief pitcher than Duran? Between the two, if they were both healthy, and had the exact same team control, I'd still prefer Duran. It doesn't mean Graterol hasn't produced similar results to Duran.
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Yep, his one trick is keeping batters off the bases which is standard for elite relievers. Duran missed almost 2 years with his UCL surgery and he's pitched in 116 games in the past two years compared to Graterol's 114 games. Graterol had 7 saves last year because the Dodgers use a closer by committee approach, he ranked 2nd on the team in saves and was used in high leverage situations where he generated the most WPA on their pitching staff. Strikeouts are valuable to get out of jams, but not any more than pop ups which Graterol generates at 3x the rate of Duran. Also valuable is limiting home runs. Graterol is 2x as good as Duran at preventing homers. We can cherry pick, twist and turn, but when it comes to actual and expected results when all is said and done, Duran and Graterol are have been very similar. So again, if you're arguing Graterol hasn't been elite, that's fine, but it rationally means Duran hasn't been elite, either.
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That's the prototypical power hitter in baseball these days and the exact philosophy the Twins are committed to building. He's better than "okay" at the plate and if we're shrinking sample sizes down, it's worth looking at them in portions, hoping for a trend. The trend I see from last year is he's likely a plus bat. There are definitely holes in his game that will prevent him from ever being an elite bat. April 1.262 OPS May .616 OPS June .620 OPS <--- this is where almost everybody thought "pumpkin" July .883 OPS August .700 OPS September .848 OPS
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Should We Be Encouraged by José Miranda's Spring?
bean5302 replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Miranda doesn't typically have huge splits and his 2022 splits against right handers was almost the same as Kirilloff's career splits against them. No need to platoon Miranda. He'll either get it done every day or he won't be able to make it work at all. That aside, it's encouraging to see Miranda hitting and saying he's 100%. Folks expecting Miranda will ever be a prototypical power hitter are probably in for a rude awakening. Miranda's a 18 HR guy in a full season. He'll have to make his way forward being a higher average, line drive hitter with medium power. -
Rooker appears to be an okay starting OF. He was fairly durable last year and qualified with 526 PA. Something only 1 Twins player did last year (Carlos Correa) While playing in 137 games, he received an All Star nod, and he continued to hit, putting together a wRC+ of 127 which would have placed him above Max Kepler on the season. Even throwing Rooker's torrid April out of the equation, he put up a wRC+ of 107 with absolutely no protection in the lineup around him and his xwOBA was .340 last year. Rooker crushing baseballs was hardly a fluke. He ranked 85th percentile in exit velocity, 93rd percentile in barrel rate, and 71st percentile in xwOBA. If it weren't for his poor defensive instincts, he'd be a consistent 2-3 WAR outfielder (equal to Max Kepler).
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Seems like the White Sox have made some big decisions for 2024 by announcing Michael Kopech is moving back to the bullpen almost immediately after trading Dylan Cease to the Padres. Seems like the White Sox have raised the white flag for 2024, but I was kind of hoping they'd slog through the season while simultaneously wasting their limited player trade value. Seems like the White Sox took a package with multiple later top 100s prospects and a fast riser in Zavala. Player, (Team Rank), (Overall) by Fangraphs, MLB.com's new White Sox rank a22 Jairo Iriarte (5), (61), Right handed starter prospect, White Sox #9 a19 Samuel Zavala (21) (NR), rangy left handed outfielder, White Sox #6 a22 Drew Thorpe (6) (73), right handed starter prospect, White Sox #3 a28 Steven Wilson, Right handed middle reliever. Here's the value comparison on BaseballTradeValues.com https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/165041 Kopech to the 'pen https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/white-sox-michael-kopech-bullpen-reliever.html
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That's not exactly what those values indicate. The $8MM value is basically the total money spent / total production for free agents that teams signed. It's the free agency market value. Not truly production value. I generally advocate for a $6MM per WAR value for free agents as it seems like teams generally pay about $6MM per WAR they expect to get. i.e. player is expected to be a 4 WAR player = $24MM AAV. 5 WAR player = $30MM AAV, etc. What happens is the player expected to produce 5 WAR for $32MM actually produces 4 WAR so the teams wind up paying about $8MM/WAR due to lower than expected production. In terms of valuing WAR directly, it is absolutely not a direct correlation in reality and most sources make that very clear. Fangraphs talks about that specifically in that 1 WAR for an 87 win team is worth an enormous amount more than for, say, a 68 win team or a 105 win team. I'd also say the more value a player generates over the expected every day player is truly worth more because the additional contribution they provide reduces the burden on the rest of the entire roster. The roster is fixed. 26 people. Those 26 people need to contribute a total of about 44 WAR to expect to get into the playoffs. 9 hitters 2.5 WAR, 5 backups 1.0 WAR, 5 starters 2.3 WAR, 8 bullpen 0.6 WAR. Something like that. A position player who generates 10 WAR means the rest of the starting position players only need to average 1.5 WAR instead of 2.5 WAR, and 1.5 WAR players are easy to come by for cheap.
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Can't wait to hear the takes on Sonny Gray vs. Chase Petty in a year or two, haha.
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Twins 2024 Position Analysis: Center Field
bean5302 replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I'm a big fan of Castro, and my offseason plan would have put Castro as the starting 2B out of the gate. Also, I would have rather the Twins not signed Margot and made Castro the backup CF. That said, Castro had 1,100 plate appearances across 4 seasons including back to back 400ish plate appearance seasons where he was very poor offensively. Then he has an explosion at the plate in 2023 despite a lot of poor contact, and an xwOBA 20 points lower than actual. It's worth tempering expectations for a guy who was non-tendered rather than paying $1.7MM before their age 26 season.- 33 replies
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No, Kirilloff has been a very poor defender at 1B. The hope was he'd play up there, but he hasn't so far. Not sure why Kirilloff is no longer considered a potential outfielder, but Falvey made a specific quote on that subject. In regard to Miranda, he had a long enough stretch in MiLB for the Twins to expose him to the Rule 5 draft before the 2021 MiLB season so there wasn't a lot of expectations around him at that point. It also means there's much more skepticism attached to great performances. Then, Miranda absolutely torched MiLB pitching at AA/AAA in 2021 without the Twins calling him up. He had a nice, but not great 2022 campaign at the plate, but his defense was just as rough as advertised leading to pretty low WAR totals. Miranda certainly had a lot of surplus value at the end of the year, but apparently, he hurt his shoulder that offseason and he was pretty terrible all of 2023. Cue the skepticism on 2021-2022. Also, there's reason to doubt Miranda's upside at the plate as his max & average exit velocities in 2022 were average, he doesn't take walks, and his swing doesn't tend to produce a lot of fly balls with launch angles that lead to home runs. He probably looked like a 18-23 HR a year full season guy. Average power, low walk rate, lots of pop ups. It's not a great projectable profile, and he was no longer considered a top prospect prior to 2021. That said, there's no real reason to suspect Miranda is a platoon candidate since he put up a wRC+ 110 vs. RHP in 2022, and hit them well in 2021, too. If they're sent down at all, both Kirilloff and Miranda are out of options after this year so it's definitely a make or break season for both of them.
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Twins 2024 Position Analysis: Center Field
bean5302 replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Sure. We could watch Walker Jenkins put up a .100/.110/.100 batting line while generating -5.0 WAR. After all, he was pretty good in 56 plate appearances at Low A last year. He's ready!- 33 replies
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Graterol throws a 100mph sinker, but sinkers don't generally generate a lot of strike outs. They generate slow rolling double play grounders and pop ups. Most people around here consider Duran elite so let's compare the two. Graterol vs. Duran 2022 = 3.26 vs. 1.86 ERA, 2.95 vs. 2.52 FIP, 3.12 vs. 2.11 xFIP, 0.99 vs. 0.98 WHIP 2023 = 1.20 vs. 2.45 ERA, 3.03 vs. 3.21 FIP, 3.53 vs. 2.75 xFIP, 0.97 vs. 1.14 WHIP Combined = 2.08 vs. 2.15 ERA, 3.00 vs. 2.85 FIP, 3.36 vs. 2.42 xFIP, 0.97 vs. 1.05 WHIP Graterol looks awfully similar to Duran in terms of results so if Duran is elite, it's awfully hard to argue Graterol isn't. Obviously, Graterol strikes out and walks fewer guys, but he makes up for it because when Graterol gives up a fly ball, it's often a pop-ups while Duran's fly balls allowed almost always leave the infield. In any case, I don't know as the Twins won or lost the trade. Maeda was a big part of why the Twins made the playoffs in 2020 and in 2023 as he was outstanding down the stretch for that matter.
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Kirilloff hoping to split time with Santana
bean5302 replied to C-Gangster's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Alex Kirilloff didn't hit LHP in the minors particularly well, either so thinking Kirilloff can make a big step forward into a position where he's not a platoon only guy is optimistic. Take his numbers at AA in 2019. vs. RHP .816 OPS vs. LHP .634 OPS Miranda probably isn't a candidate for platooning. Miranda had a wRC+ of 110 vs. right handed pitching in 2022 and an OPS of .908 against them in AAA in 2021. Miranda had no real significant splits vs. LHP or RHP in 2023, either. Honestly, Miranda's MLB numbers in 2022 vs. RHP were basically just as good as Kirilloff's career numbers vs. RHP. -
Driveline did some biomechanics study on different pitches and the stress placed on the pitcher's arm. Overall, there were no pitches more stressful on the arm than the fastball. Basically, velocity was the main stressor in pitching. If curveballs were thrown as fast as fastballs, they'd be the most stressful pitch, but they're not so I'm not sure it's relevant. It's also worth considering how the increased velocity was modeled to determine whether or not it was even accurate. In young pitchers, the slider was most likely to generate pain. https://www.drivelinebaseball.com/2017/02/fastballs-offspeed-pitches-comparative-relative-elbow-stress/ In regard to how hard pitchers are throwing now vs. how hard they used to throw, I'm not sure how reliable older data was. Starters Avg Fastball 2002 - Max 94.5mph, 10th Best 92.3mph, Median 88.8mph, 10th Worst 84.9mph (85 Qualified) 2005 - Max 95.6mph, 10th Best 92.7mph, Median 89.5mph, 10th Worst 86.4mph (93 Qualified) 2010 - Max 96.1mph, 10th Best 93.5mph, Median 91.3mph, 10th Worst 88.2mph (92 Qualified) 2015 - Max 96.4mph, 10th Best 94.6mph, Median 91.9mph, 10th Worst 89.4mph (78 Qualified) 2019 - Max 97.7mph, 10th Best 94.9mph, Median 92.9mph, 10th Worst 90.5mph (61 Qualified) 2023 - Max 97.8mph, 10th Best 95.6mph, Median 94.4mph, 10th Worst 92.4mph (44 Qualified) I think there's a pretty clear trend. There wasn't a huge increase in average pitcher velocity through 2010, it was just a drop off on the lowest velocity guys. We start to see a trend of hyper focusing on velocity by 2015 with a significant jump in median and max velocities afterwards with a rapidly declining count of pitchers who are able to qualify. Max velocity for the top pitchers seems to have spiked out at this point, but there's still a hyper focus on pushing all pitcher velocity northward, and there's a plummeting number of them who will qualify as a result. While this method probably produces the best results in a playoff rotation, getting to the playoffs is maybe a different story. Unfortunately, all the way down into high school, pitchers know scouts want to see velocity, velocity, velocity. The number of pitchers who have developed 4 or 5 potential pitch offerings has declined while the number of 2-3 pitcher flamethrowers has seemingly increased. Even if there is more value in drafting and developing pitchers with somewhat lower velocities, but better stuff who could potentially be as good as mid-rotation, those pitchers may not exist in significant numbers.
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Twins Send Four Pitchers to Minor League Camp
bean5302 replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think it's pretty commonly held that Dobnak isn't on the roster and has no good path to making it back onto the roster. The Twins have to pay him his MLB salary regardless of whether or not he's on the team, and in terms of absolute emergency depth, he's not an awful option. If Dobnak hadn't been extended, I don't think anybody would argue he wouldn't have been DFA'd and released a while back. Last year was his first relatively healthy year in a long time. Dobnak seems like a nice guy with a good story, clinging to his last opportunity to make it back into the big show. I'm rooting for him, but he's going to have to build on his 2019 AAA performance from so long ago, and have a couple Twins starters fall to the injury bug this year to get another shot. Gotta be a bittersweet situation for him.- 37 replies
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Twins 2024 Position Analysis: Center Field
bean5302 replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Center field is shallower than it was last year with Michael A. Taylor on the roster, and I think it's the shallowest position on the team. In a full season, you might expect: Buxton 5.0-6.0 WAR *Taylor 2.0-3.0 WAR Margot 1.5-2.0 WAR Castro 1.0-2.5 WAR Martin 0.0-2.5 WAR Rodriguez (1.0)-3.0 WAR Keirsey (2.0)-1.0 WAR There is no player in the organization not named Royce Lewis that could legitimately be expected to have a 2.0 WAR floor of starting caliber position player if placed in center field like Taylor did. I don't think anybody is enamored with the idea of shifting Lewis back to CF again. Margot - has a below average bat and declining speed. The Twins know what they've got here. Barely adequate backup center fielder if Buxton goes down. Castro - was signed to a MiLB contract last year after being non-tendered at $1.7MM by the Tigers. He had a great season with the Twins, but to be non-tendered despite a chump change projection and then signed to a MiLB contract tells you a lot about expectations for a player with a long track record. Martin - is a question mark for sure. He might be more rangey than Margot, and he might have a better bat. Or he might be AAAA caliber. Rodriguez - could be fun to watch if the Twins just rolled the dice on him. Or he could be totally exposed like he was in Spring Training. Pretty clear he's not ready, but maybe he could make the adjustments after a few weeks of struggles and turn into a stud enough to flip that WAR back positive? Not a gamble I'd like to take right now, haha. Keirsey - He's got enough speed to cover CF, but little power and a weak hit tool. I'd expect he'd be this year's Andrew Stevenson, but not quite as fast, probably. I'd view the 26 year old, non-roster player as emergency depth.- 33 replies
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The Big Question: Minnesota Twins Right Field
bean5302 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The shift was not banned. It's frustrating to see misleading statements in print so often. The shift was limited. FWIW, no player had a bigger discrepancy between xBA and real batting average than Max Kepler, and teams employed shifts against Kepler more frequently than any other hitter in MLB prior to last year as I recall. The shifting absolutely hurt Kepler's production at the plate, arguably more than any other player in MLB. Teams didn't stop shifting against Kepler last year, either. Fangraphs recorded plate appearances as 32 (No shift) 280 (Shift). Teams still shifted against Kepler literally 90% of the time. The 10% they didn't were almost certainly times when there were runners on base. Kepler talked about a strategy of just trying to hit the ball over the infield (in the air) to try and bypass the shift altogether. It helps, but Kepler's production will likely always be hindered at least somewhat by the shift. I'm not sure what to expect from Kepler going forward given the fact Kepler put up career high barrel rates, average exit velocity and hard hit rates last year. Clearly other MLB teams aren't sold on Kepler's turn around or he wouldn't be on the team at this point as somebody would have offered Falvey a return which couldn't be ignored this past offseason. Here's hoping Kepler tears it up this year. There's still even more ceiling in his game at the plate than what he's shown, but if he goes back to bouncing batted balls off the ground again, it's just going to be another quality regular starting position player season for him. 2 WAR floor 2.5-3.0 WAR good year, 4 WAR ceiling. -
5 WAR. As far as I'm concerned, that's a success for Byron Buxton playing almost exclusively in CF. If Buxton is DH'ing, he comes with a pretty low ceiling since he can't get on base. My expectations for Buxton is 70-90 games almost all in CF generating about 4 WAR. Anything over that is icing on the cake. Anything less than that is a huge disappointment.
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Four Twins Position Players Optioned
bean5302 replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Me too, but once the Twins signed Margot, Martin was a long shot as it clearly pushed Martin/Castro into an infield only scenario.- 25 replies
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If you live in Minnesota and you want to stream Twins games through Amazon... Step 1) Cable TV premium subscription (which includes Bally Sports North). This is required for anybody who lives in Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa or part of Wisconsin. Step 2) Ballys Sports North subscription. Step 3) MLB.TV subscription Step 4) Amazon Prime subscription Now you can stream Twins games on Amazon, though if you have a sub to MLB.TV, you don't need Prime. You can use the MLB.TV app, which you also don't need to stream because you could just use the Bally Sports North app, but Twins games are blacked out unless the account is tied to a local cable company where you've got a package carrying Ballys. So yes. The blackout policies and subscription policies requiring people to have a premium cable TV package (which includes Ballys Sports North), blocks out a lot of potential fans.
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Kris Bryant & Charlie Blackmon made up over $50MM of their budget last year. Their fans are really outstanding. Consistently great attendance despite poor results so there's a lot of payroll room in the budget.
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Ryan's fastball has always been excellent because of his release and it's movement, but the reason the Twins were able to get him for Nelson Cruz was because the rest of Ryan's pitches were borderline offerings at the MLB level. While he's tinkered with adding new pitches, and changing his usage of the pitches he has, none of his offspeed or breaking stuff has been successful at the MLB level for long. For Ryan to take a step forward, he really needs a 2nd plus offering. It doesn't sound like they're super excited about the sinker. The biggest issues with sinkers is even elite versions don't often generate strike outs, and they have a propensity to land in the seats if the pitcher misses their spot. Hopefully, he can find a pitch mix that allows him to add that second legitimate weapon to his arsenal.
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Twins Send Four Pitchers to Minor League Camp
bean5302 replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Sprain = lesser tear. Tear = greater tear. No matter which way you look at it, Prielipp had some sort of tear in his reconstructed UCL large enough that it wasn't healing sufficiently on its own and it required major surgery to address.- 37 replies
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Not to mention it's been widely reported all agreements for Diamond Sports for this year were at least 85% of the previous season putting the Twins TV revenue somewhere between $45.9MM to $54.0MM this year. It's a pretty narrow value, and actual TV contract details are almost never reported publicly so some hint at some sort of conspiracy to not report it isn't reasonable. Also not reported in the article is the Padres were in violation of liquidity rules for MLB. Basically, they had been spending more than they could afford as an ownership group so they were given a directive by MLB to get their financials in order. The Angels are an absolute mess, and most fans and analysts believe the team should rebuild as they don't have a good playoff potential. Not sure those fan bases have a real cause for anger.
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