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    Twins Should Extend Tyler Mahle


    Cody Schoenmann

    Although the Tyler Mahle trade has been deemed a failure, the Twins shouldn't cut the cord just yet.

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    On August 2, 2022, the Minnesota Twins traded Spencer Steer (7th-ranked prospect), Christian Encarnacion-Strand (23rd-ranked prospect), and Steve Hajjar (18th-ranked prospect) to the Cincinnati Reds for starting pitcher Tyler Mahle. At the time, fans and analysts almost unanimously viewed the trade as a win for the Twins. Ten months later, the trade is considered one of the worst in Twins history. 

    Steer has become an everyday utility player for the Reds, hitting .286/.365/.482 (.861) and a wRC+ of 124. Steer also sports an fWAR of 0.8 which is higher than every Twins position player not named Ryan Jeffers (1.0 fWAR), Michael A. Taylor (1.0 fWAR), Byron Buxton (0.9 fWAR), Willi Castro (0.8 fWAR), or Alex Kirilloff (0.8 fWAR). 

    As he did in the Twins system last year, Encarnacion-Strand has skyrocketed through the Cincinnati Reds minor league system and is hitting .353/.413/.706 (1.11) with a wRC+ of 172 with the Triple-A Louisville Bats, and Hajjar has since been traded to the Cleveland Guardians as part of the Will Benson trade between the Reds and Guardians on March 25. Meanwhile, Mahle started nine games and pitched 42.0 innings before the Twins announced that Mahle would need to undergo Tommy John surgery on May 11. 

    The Twins lost this trade. There is no more room for interpretation. Steer has been incredible, Encarnacion-Strand looks like he will be incredible, and Twins fans will inevitably be upset when Hajjar throws seven scoreless innings against the Twins while pitching for the Guardians in 2026. 

    Although the Twins gave away three talented prospects that fans will have to watch perform well for other teams for what could be the next decade, those who follow the Twins shouldn't be too upset with the organization as the process the front office took in trading for Mahle was sound and the right move at the time, as the Twins were in first place and contending for a division title, it just happened not to work out. That said, the Twins should not be done with Mahle just yet. Instead, they should extend him to a multiyear contract. 

    It may seem like I am falling victim to the sunk-cost fallacy, but Mahle is an above-average pitcher that the Twins should look to sign while his perceived value is relatively low. Through nine games with the Twins, Mahle has achieved a 3.64 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, and 4.73 FIP while giving up nine walks, 35 hits, and 40 strikeouts. When looking at Mahle's performance as a Twin, the number that catches one's eye is his elite WHIP of just 1.05. Mahle is elite when it comes to limiting baserunners, which is a skill that every franchise values highly. 

    Mahle throws an above-average slider and splitter to confuse both left and right-handed batters, but what makes Mahle truly special is his elite fastball. Mahle, who stands at six-foot-three, pointedly bends his knee at the end of his wind-up, creating a rising effect on his fastball, similar to fellow Twins pitcher Joe Ryan and Cleveland Guardians pitcher Triston McKenzie

    Mahle's ability to generate what is essentially a "rising fastball," which is an optical illusion in itself, is evidenced by Mahle's 80th-percentile extension rate and 76th-percentile Fastball Spin rate. Mahle's elite fastball, which sits around 93-94 MPH, led to him generating a K% of 27.5% and a BB% of just 4.9%, both elite numbers on each end of the spectrum. 

    Mahle, like any pitcher, is not perfect. Mahle is a fly-ball pitcher, and although this archetype tends to work well while pitching most of one’s games at Target Field, it does mean that Mahle is prone to giving up home runs, especially on the road, which was evidenced during his start against the Yankees on April 15, when he gave up two home runs through only 4.1 innings pitched. Although Mahle occasionally struggles with home runs, he is an above-average pitcher who, if given more opportunities while healthy, would greatly benefit from throwing most of his starts at Target Field, where Ballpark Pal currently ranks as the tenth hardest ballpark to hit home runs.

    What would Mahle's contract extension look like?
    Although signing a pitcher who recently underwent Tommy John surgery feels like something that would be complicated to work through, this iteration of the Twins front office has done this more than once. In December 2017, the Twins signed Michael Pineda, who had undergone Tommy John surgery in July of that year, to a two-year, $10 million contract that paid him $2 million while he recovered during the 2018 season and eight million dollars during what was expected to be Pineda's first full year back from surgery. Also, the Twins recently signed Chris Paddack, who underwent Tommy John surgery in May 2022, to a three-year, $12 million contract on January 14, 2023. 

    Using Pineda and Paddack's contract as reference points, it would be fair to assume that Mahle's hypothetical contract would be in a similar ballpark. Mahle is a better pitcher than Pineda and Paddack were when they signed their respective contracts, so it is fair to assume that Mahle would require more of an investment if the Twins wanted to extend him. 

    To predict, Mahle would likely request a contract somewhere in the two-year $20 million range that would pay him five million dollars to recover with the Twins in 2024 and then $15 million to pitch in what would hopefully be his first completely healthy season since his surgery in 2025.

    Evidently, the Twins find value in signing or extending high-variance starting pitchers whose value is low since they recently underwent Tommy John surgery. Many fans will label this as the Twins shopping in the "bargain section" for pitchers, but, on the flip side, this process could be seen as a savvy process in accruing low-cost pitching talent, especially when it comes to an above-average pitcher like Mahle.

    Should the Twins extend Mahle? What do you think Mahle's contract would look like?

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    Mahle has had one season where he resembled a top of the rotation arm.   It's a problem if they can't replace Mahle from within between Raya / Prelipp / Festa / SWR and perhaps even Canterino.  At this stage in the building process, they need to aim higher in free agency.    The best use of available funds might turn out to be an impact bat and/or back of the BP additions.

    Let's recap. Mahle was not having a good year last year, got Cincy a nice package based on previous good years (something I never considered a Twins "win", but a worthy gamble). Then he hurt his shoulder and missed most of the second half. Then he tore up his elbow. So, if the price is 5 and 15, absolutely not. Spend $15 million on a healthy arm next year (or $20 since that's what you'd sink on Mahle).

    10 hours ago, jimbo92107 said:

    I like Cody's idea of loading up Tyler Mahle's extension offer with incentives. When he comes back, it will absolutely be a "prove it" year for him, just as the second half of this year could be for Chris Paddack. 

    I'd give Mahle $4 mil for a comfy recovery year, then offer him $15m first year back, with incentives that could pump it up to $20m. If he meets those, then the third year starts at $20m with incentives to get to $25m. If his first year back is disappointing, then repeat the first year back base and incentives.

    That would be my offer.

    I do like the idea of giving Mahle an incentive-laden deal that includes a third year! Although it may benefit Mahle to accept an extension offer with longer term (i.e., three or four years), I don't know if he, his agent, or the Twins would be inclined to do so as it would limit Mahle's earning potential and it would lock the Twins in with a pitcher who is recovering from Tommy John Surgery and has had chronic shoulder issues to a long term deal. Personally, I think a short-term two year deal would be ideal for both sides, and I think that is the route both parties would prefer to go down. Also, if Mahle hypothetically performs well and stays healthy in 2025, the Twins could offer him the Qualifying Offer in 2026. 

    22 hours ago, Devlin Clark said:

    Absolutely love this article. Agree that this is what the FO might do. Would make sense to lock him up while they can. 

    Gotta comment somewhere here.

    Varland, with the balance of 2023 under his belt, is pretty much a fresh Tyler Mahle. We have Paddack through 2025 - already have risk with him. Ryan is solid & only in year 2 of service. Lopez is signed for 4 years. Ober is 27 & under team control.

    Can’t worry about balancing results of the/a trade…..that’s not the competition the Twins are in - win some games. I live in Cinti and Steer looks like a hot Miranda in 2022….I hope he sticks. E-Strand looks like he’s going to be a real hitter! They are Reds & we can’t worry about that - resigning Mahle to save face doesn’t help us win.

    If we sign him for 2 years, we get 1 year of availability & some definite risk he’ll perform well………always a risk with anyone in any contract! Seems to me a better use of the funds, while reducing risk a few percentage points, would be to take the money we would spend on Mahle & give it to Gray as part of a 2 year extension. My assumption is Gray makes $15M now…….take Mahle’s potential $20M for 2 years and give it to Gray over 2 years. Gray is 33 but, unless he gets a serious injury, somebody will pay him $20M plus as a free agent. I’d pay him a little more, potentially, than market and give him $25M for a shorter contract term. Do it (offer it) mid season - in next month, as a near-term security blanket for him. I think that’s a better value and makes sense with the other depth we have. We can afford paying Gray to have him in play for play-offs and only have him throw 150 innings (probably his realistic work load/availability) during each season.

    Could also not spend anymore on starting pitching and take the $28M from freeing Mahle & Gray and spend it on an upside reliever and a RH outfield bat………will have another $32M coming off the annual spend with Kepler, Gallo, & Polanco…..who’s hurt too much?……..all gone in ‘24.

    How should we spend the $60M saved with these 5 guys all potentially gone in ‘24?

    2 hours ago, John Belinski said:

    Don't keep throwing good money away on a bad choice. The Twins have already thrown good money away on Paddock who may never pitch again. Go with the young pitchers instead of throwing money away on pitchers that may never help you be a winning team.

    Paddack may never pitch again? You better let him know that seeing how he's on pace to rejoin the team in 2 months, and has already been pitching off a mound for 2 weeks.

    16 hours ago, Cody Schoenmann said:

    I would love if the Twins were able to sign Mahle to a, as you proposed, four year $25 million or two years $12 million contract, but I don't think either of those are realistic. Hypothetically, if Mahle pitched the rest of this season healthy and stayed on the trajectory he was on, he would have been given a four or five year deal north of $20 million per year this off-season. Also, the Twins would have more likely than not offered Mahle the Qualifying Offer, which is valued at $19.65 million. Mahle and his agent will take a discount for 2024, as he will be recovering, but I don't think it will be for less than five million dollars, and he for sure won't accept an extremely discounted offer for 2025, as he and his agent plan on him being healthy for that season. Extending Mahle would be an expensive gamble, but I think it is an expensive gamble that would be worth it. 

    IF all of those things worked out for him a big dollar deal would have worked out for him too, BUT they didn't.  In his current situation, he had one really good year two years ago and is now missing most of next season.  So. . . on a 2025 season contract, it seems likely a best case scenario that they would get 125ish innings at maybe a 4.00 ERA.  That to me doesn't say $20M dollars.  Instead, I think it only says $10M or so for the second year, and that is again, IF, he recovers properly -- an item that is now taken for granted, but still really isn't a sure thing.  I don't think people will be lining up at his door this coming offseason. 

    7 minutes ago, John Belinski said:

    I will believe it when I see it.

    What a fascinating take. Do you think Do-Hyoung Park is lying in this article? Or you just think his arm is going to fall off between now and September? You know Tommy John is a pretty common surgery now, right? And guys come back from it all the time. Even their second one. What is the basis of your belief that there's a limited chance he'll ever pitch again?

    2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    What a fascinating take. Do you think Do-Hyoung Park is lying in this article? Or you just think his arm is going to fall off between now and September? You know Tommy John is a pretty common surgery now, right? And guys come back from it all the time. Even their second one. What is the basis of your belief that there's a limited chance he'll ever pitch again?

     

    2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    What a fascinating take. Do you think Do-Hyoung Park is lying in this article? Or you just think his arm is going to fall off between now and September? You know Tommy John is a pretty common surgery now, right? And guys come back from it all the time. Even their second one. What is the basis of your belief that there's a limited chance he'll ever pitch again?

    His history.

    2 minutes ago, John Belinski said:

     

    His history.

    You mean his 508 professional innings pitched lead you to believe he'll never pitch again? You realize how incredibly out there it is to claim a 27 year old is simply never going to be able to pitch again because he had a second Tommy John surgery 6 years after his first one, right? I know Verlander is a freak, but he came back at the age of 39 and pitched again after his 2nd TJS just last year when he won that little award they call the Cy Young. Mike Clevinger is back on a mound after his 2nd. The Rangers are really hoping deGrom comes back from his 2nd since they owe him a whole lot of money. Nathan Eovaldi is slicing up big league hitters, and he's had 2 TJS. Chris Capuano, Joakim Soria, Daniel Hudson, and the list goes on and on. Many of those guys had their surgeries 5, 10, 15+ years ago. We've made even more advancements in medicine since most of those guys went through it.

    I get if you want to argue he may not be as good coming back from his second surgery, or they shouldn't really rely on him as a rotation option next year. There's some arguments that could be made there. But to suggest he'll never pitch again is based on nothing. He's throwing off a mound now. He's on pace to join the team by the end of the year. How good will he be? Up for debate. Will he ever pitch again? I mean let's be serious, of course he's going to pitch again.

    I really don’t understand the argument for NOT extending Mahle. At this point, you might as well get what you can out of him, and extra pitching depth can only help the Twins, having an extra starter who could be a serious #3 sounds very helpful, especially considering he’ll be 29 and 30 in 2024 and 2025. Do you remember 2021, where we had no depth and relied on J.A. Happ, Matt Shoemaker, Griffin Jax and John Gant for most of our starts? Depth is exactly why this current team isn’t sitting below the Guardians and White Sox right now, even with our lack of offense.
     

    I do think a 2-year deal is what the Twins should shoot for, but $20m doesn’t seem like the right price tag. I think $3m in his first year, $12m in his second year and a $3m Innings escalator incentive would be nice (ex. $500k for each inning mark: 75, 100, 120, 140, 160, 180) and a $1m Cy Young escalator Incentive. So 2yr/$15m.

    On 6/12/2023 at 9:31 AM, PatPfund said:

    Let's recap. Mahle was not having a good year last year, got Cincy a nice package based on previous good years (something I never considered a Twins "win", but a worthy gamble). Then he hurt his shoulder and missed most of the second half. Then he tore up his elbow. So, if the price is 5 and 15, absolutely not. Spend $15 million on a healthy arm next year (or $20 since that's what you'd sink on Mahle).

    This. There is no point in extending him unless he signs for virtually nothing. The original problems were with shoulder which is even more ominous than elbow problems. Move on-trade didn’t work-it happens. 




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