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    The Twins Shouldn't Spend (Much) On Starting Pitching This Offseason


    Matt Braun

    As the month turns to September and the coffee becomes pumpkin-spiced, the discussions among teams outside of the playoff race has shifted towards offseason plans. Unfortunately, this includes the Twins. This roster has more holes than a target at a shooting range, and the front office has their work cut out for them. Some may be inclined to immediately look for a few starting pitchers who can bring relief to a much-depleted Twins rotation, but I believe that this would be a mistake. Allow me to explain.

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    (For the record, I did not intend for this to be a pseudo-response to Nick Nelson’s article from the other day, but it worked out like that.)

    In all likelihood, Kenta Maeda’s Tommy John surgery has ended any chance he has of pitching to any significant degree in 2022. There remains an outside chance that he can return in nine months, but even that heavily optimistic prediction shortens his 2022 season. Because of this, the potential Twins starting rotation in 2022 as of this very moment will consist solely of players with little MLB playing time and John Gant. And John Gant is not a starter. You, yes, you, my good reader, have about as much playing time as any of these other guys. Sure, Bailey Ober has flashed some ability; but the names after him are either questionable or dreadful. It is an unsustainable rotation. The natural thought would be then to sign an entire stable of starters. Just line up pitchers and send them through in such rapid fashion that FDR’s 100 days would appear to have run at a snail’s pace. 

    But this would not be a good idea. First, which teams have built a successful starting rotation on such short notice? Yes, the Giants have found success this season with this method, but they are the exceptions. Look down the list of the top rotations by fWAR. Almost every team has a foundation of starters who were either developed internally or acquired before this last off-season. Teams like the Giants are relatively rare in building a starting rotation; most great units require a more solid base. The Twins, by comparison, would have to sign four starters (or three and pray that someone fixed Randy Dobnak) and assume that Bailey Ober will be available for 160+ quality innings next season. Not a great plan.

    Secondly, let’s think big picture. What good would a patchwork rotation be in 2022? There remain significant questions regarding the stability of this current core of players. The central nucleus of names is getting older. Considering that this same group of players has struggled early in 2021, why should we believe the situation will suddenly be any better? Will Miguel Sanó abruptly learn plate discipline? Will Max Kepler’s BABIP finally go above .250? I think not. The moves made by the front office signal to me that they do not plan on seriously competing until 2023. They traded José Berríos, a starter under control for 2022, for prospects. Yes, it was also because the deal was great for them, but the main driver, I believe, was a fundamental belief that this team, as currently constructed, will come up short in any effort in 2022 without heavenly intervention. Why else would they also peddle core players like Byron Buxton and Kepler? 

    One of the other main tenants in the belief of a 2022 surrender is the prospect situation. It isn’t the lack of quality of prospects; they have those. It’s when they should make their MLB debuts. According to MLB.com, nine of their top 10 prospects will likely debut this year or next year. According to Fangraphs, it is nine of 11. Neither of these lists includes Alex Kirilloff and Trevor Larnach, who, while no longer prospects, will become long-term players in their own right who can (and will) replace current names. These soon-to-be-Twins reflect a conscious effort to have 2022 be a messy season in which the Twins can figure out which players will contribute in 2022 and beyond. Call up all the kids, see what they can do, then decide from there. There will be no competing next season.

    Now, while this should prevent the Twins from going all-in on starters, they should not utterly abstain from signing. They should target a younger long-term arm like Jon Gray, Eduardo Rodriguez, or even a more prominent name like Marcus Stroman. These players can bring an essential veteran presence while not presenting the same risks that an older (but probably better) pitcher like Zack Greinke or Justin Verlander will have. If the team wants to sign a player of that magnitude, it makes more sense to do so after 2022, when the genetic makeup of the team makes more sense. 

    This line of thought does raise one more important question. If the team only signs one major starter, where does the rest of the money go? Their theoretical spending limit will be significant after this season. While I would love to give Mr. Pohlad a chance to purchase another absurd yacht or buy off a state senator or something, I don’t believe that money should go to waste. Perhaps the team could look towards signing one of the many All-Star shortstops available this off-season or decide to hand out an early extension to one of their numerous pre-arb players. I know that advocating for minimal movement on the rotation front while inking a high-caliber position player to a long-term deal seems like a strange idea, and it is. The key phrase is “long-term”; I’m thinking about building a better 2023 team, not a better 2022 team, and a burnt contract year is just the cost of investing. 

    I get it, though. This team has not won a playoff game since the Bush administration, and it feels that it may be asking the world of some to hold off another season before diving headfirst back into the fray. No one wants to do that. This idea comes from the same desire that every other Twins fan possesses; we want this team to succeed. We want to finally shed the pressure that is years of unmatched playoff ineptitude. All I am asking is that the team realizes the poor situation that 2022 will likely be and instead decide to take a better-calculated shot at playoff success with a more solid foundation underneath them. What good will one more poorly constructed hopeful playoff run do? Plan for a better future. 

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    Great comments by all!  I think we have a lot of people here that have a good plan in managing personnel and money.  My question or concern is there appears no current plan or direction from the FO.  I also don't think Baldelli is the man to keep as manager. His team shows no enthusiasm and no fundamentals.  And Pohlads seem content with keeping it cheap.  Remember there is no salary cap in MLB.  Ownership can approve almost any budget they want.  My guess is the payroll will be significantly reduced and we will see more of the same.  I surely hope I am wrong.  It makes for a long summer watching your favorite team serve as bottom feeders.

    9 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

     

    If a full rebuild must occur then people should wonder why and how the current core fell so far, so fast. A full rebuild would ruin season ticket holder sales among other financial issues. The Saints have begun to see a decline in interest as their team fades. Will those of you who want to see prospects pay to go watch a 120 loss team or even watch/listen to every game? My opinion is that a few trades and a few free agent signings can work with the young prospects to make the Twins competitive in 2022. 

     

    Retooling for 1 year and a complete rebuild are two very different things.    Pretending we can rebuild a complete rotation in one year is a good way to prolong the process.

    2 hours ago, Boom Boom said:

    I don't disagree with the article, but...

    If you were Byron Buxton, and you turned down the last contract offer, would you be more inclined to re-up now in a rebuild?

    I think if the Twins go this way, they need to trade Buxton.  

    A. Are we trading Rogers / Duffey / Thielbar / Polanco / Kepler / Arraez / Garver / Donaldson and Sano.  If not, how is this a rebuild?

    B. Many players care 1st about money and 2nd playing where they are comfortable.  There are plenty of players with better track records than Buxton who stayed with a team because they simply preferred to stay. Players don't like their lives disrupted and a dollar in MN is the same as a dollar anywhere else, tax rates not withstanding.

    1 hour ago, Major League Ready said:

    A. Are we trading Rogers / Duffey / Thielbar / Polanco / Kepler / Arraez / Garver / Donaldson and Sano.  If not, how is this a rebuild?

    B. Many players care 1st about money and 2nd playing where they are comfortable.  There are plenty of players with better track records than Buxton who stayed with a team because they simply preferred to stay. Players don't like their lives disrupted and a dollar in MN is the same as a dollar anywhere else, tax rates not withstanding.

     

    • Rogers, Sano, Donaldson - They wanted to but injuries or performance prevented it.
    • Kepler, Buxton - They were actively fielding offers. Buxton very likely would have been traded if healthy.

    The only reason I say this is there absolutely will be some players moving around this offseason. I'd be totally shocked if Arraez, Donaldson, Sano and Polanco were all on the team next year. Since I believe the universal DH is virtually assured, I expect some increased interest in Sano which could allow Donaldson to slide to DH if the Twins can't find an interested partner. There are just too many moving pieces right now.

    When it comes to the original intent of the article, though, I cannot disagree more that one year contracts aren't bad. The Twins, over the past decade, have spent what it would cost for 2 premium starters on mediocre to bad short term contract arms almost every single year. In effect, the Twins are spending long term Ace starter money, just on a cumulative total of disposable, short term arms which they wind up regretting putting on the roster to begin with.

     

    We’ll reasoned but I don’t buy it. Life is too short to write off 2022 before it starts. Sign Buxton. Re-educate Kepler and Sano. With pitching, promote, innovate, and let the competition begin. Falvine need to earn their keep after this year. Put them on notice. Win or pink slip.

    Personally if they want to go young pitchers, they for sure will have to sign some one year vets to fill innings, currently I have seen the names of around 15 rookie (or Jax, Ober, Dodnak) names mentioned, can a major league team really carry 15 rookie type starting pitchers on their 40 man? Seems unlikely, sure some will get hurt, but that mean other retreads or rookies filling in.

    And then why sign Buxton over the winter, because if these pitchers don't pan out, what good is he to have around on a rebuild?

    what if the likes of Balazovi,c, Duran, Strotman, Ryan, etc.. have years like Ober had this year, does that guarantee anything for 2023? To me, it means we have some good depth and can sign a high end Free Agent but it kind of makes 2023 a crap shoot also, but I think they can sign a free agent this year.

    To me this off season and 2022 will show if this FO is around in 2023, I hope Rocco is gone after this season, but that is another topic.

    27 minutes ago, Thebigalguy said:

    Sign Buxton. Re-educate Kepler and Sano.

    Really good post, and a good counterargument. I guess I just don't see any of these happening. I mean, if you couldn't extend Buxton or "fix" Kepler or Sano by now, it just ain't gonna happen.

    I've accepted that the 2019+ window of contention has closed. Only a massive offseason FA spending spree (for players who have something left in the tank and magically stay healthy) can get this team back to contention. NOTHING in this franchise's history suggests that this is even a remote possibility. We don't overpay, and we hear time and time again that top free agents don't want to be here.

    So, from my perspective, it's total rebuild time. Again, sadly.

    What else are they going to spend money on? Starting pitching is their biggest need. They're probably not going to sign a shortstop to a big contract with Royce Lewis in the minors. The rest of the lineup is average or better at their position.

    The pitching staff has one pitcher with a WAR above 0.8 - Bailey Ober. They need as many as 10 pitchers on the 40 man roster to be replaced with better talent to contend. Of course they need to obtain some of that pitching through free agency.

    20 hours ago, Rosterman said:

    They never really do.

     

    Giving a Donaldson contract to a starting pitcher? They had their chance with Berrios, maybe last off-season. 

     

    And, why would someone come to Minnesota...now.

     

    Look at expensive arbitration pitchers that other teams may not want to keep (Boyd at Detroit). The Athletics have pitchers they don't want to pay. Even as a one-year rental, it all depends what you need to give up in trade.

     

    Otherwise, comeback pitchers (been there, done that).

     

    Albers, Gant, Thorpe, Smeltzer, DObnak with Ober in the wings is the 2022 rotation. My call! St. Paul has Stortman, Ryan, Sands, Jax, Barnes.

    That is the worst looking Major League rotation I could think of.

    If the Twins match the payroll total of the last couple years, they’ll have around $55-60 million to spend. Their biggest needs (SS and SP) are the largest ticket items in free agency. 

    I’m in agreement with the author that the top priority should be signing one of the elite SS free agents long term. Then look to mid-tier SPs such as Jon Gray, Alex Wood, Pineda, etc. to raise the floor of the pitching staff. 

    On 9/4/2021 at 1:05 PM, Original_JB said:

    Think about who is doing the advertising.  It is known as "selling hope", and the Twins have that skill running in perpetual motion. For all the touting, truly, how many "MLB Stars" have been developed and come out of the Twins organization over the last 25 years?

    Indeed, think about who is doing the advertising. It’s not the Twins. 

    All I have to say is Hahahahahahahahahaha.. Fire the Dynamic Duo... Why: lets look at the unmentionables: The Bullpen...  not only does the team need 5 starters.. it needs at just as much help in the bullpen... and While some like to pencil prospects in as the future.. i expect that most of them will fail..Why.. because if you look at reality most prospects fail... i don't expect Larnach ( Lurch) to make it.. he is DH material at best..  and  the notion  of looking at 2023 and going crazy and thinking they'll be Stocked with Players.. barring any extension.. they have no Buxton in CF.. They will Have to Hope Sayno is worth the option they have, Rogers is a free agent, and so is Duffey.. at the end of next year... so Who will be SS? Lewis? can he hit?... Who is in CF? will Kepler be traded or hit like it is 2019?.. Donald Duck will be DH by then if not traded.. Whose 3b?... Where are all the prospects they should be training right now?.. why are they playing out the season with Simmons? ( great glove..and hands... love watching the guy.. cut him a check.. get a prospect up here..).. Yes the Twins are in full rebuild and if history is our guide..  those of us still alive can discuss this after the rebuild in 2031... when the Twins will be on the way to their 3rd World series. championship...  or Po'lad could open the valve on the cash cow of Target field and it could happen quicker... say 5 years instead of 10... but once again.. history as our guide... check out 2012-2021..

    1 minute ago, DocSavage said:

     Yes the Twins are in full rebuild and if history is our guide..  those of us still alive can discuss this after the rebuild in 2031... when the Twins will be on the way to their 3rd World series. championship...  or Po'lad could open the valve on the cash cow of Target field and it could happen quicker... say 5 years instead of 10... but once again.. history as our guide... check out 2012-2021..

    Yes lets return to the hey-days of 1971-1980 ; a .500 season is a good year and 1 million fans is fantastic years.




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