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    Offseason Status Update: The Long Winter Begins


    Nick Nelson

    The snow began to fall in Minneapolis on Thursday morning, right on cue after the World Series concluded Wednesday night to signal the official start of the offseason. For the Twins, this figures to be a long, slow winter, but not without intrigue.

    Let's set the stage as the offseason gets underway.

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    I wish I could set an exciting tone for this offseason. I really do. I wish I felt confident that big, splashy moves were ahead; an emphatic statement of commitment from the franchise to righting the ship in the wake an embarrassing collapse. But I don't.

    At a macro level, major change is certainly afoot for the Twins, who are officially up for sale as the Pohlad family actively explores suitors. In terms of roster action this winter, however, a relative adherence to the status quo may be the best we can realistically hope for, as the front office navigates challenging financial constraints.

    There have been no indications that a rise in spending is on the way -- only lukewarm unsourced assurances that payroll won't drop any further following last year's $30 million slash. (We'll see.) Ownership has made clear that they are more concerned about maintaining an attractive bottom line than making winning a priority. If that was the case last year, coming off a long-awaited postseason breakthrough, I'm not sure why it would change this year.

    Nonetheless, things are going to happen this offseason. We might get news of a sale, or at the very least, that specter will loom over everything. The hitting staff needs to be built out around new hire Matt Borgschulte. And one way or another, the front office needs to figure out some gaps on this roster.

    Much like my weekly recap columns during the season, these sporadic "offseason status updates" are intended to catch you up in short order on the latest news you need to know, for those not keeping up with the day-to-day minutiae of MLB's offseason. Now that the World Series is officially in the rearview mirror, and significant developments are already beginning to take place, here's your stage-setting Twins offseason update.

    Alex Kirilloff Announces His Retirement at Age 26
    The Twins offseason opened up with a gut-punch, as the first baseman shared news on Thursday morning of his decision to step away from the game. "In my nine professional seasons, I’ve encountered numerous injuries, which led me to search for new ways to overcome the pain," Kirilloff wrote. "These challenges have taken a toll on me mentally and physically; over time, I’ve realized that my passion for playing the game has shifted."

     

    One of the most consequential decisions the Twins were facing this winter, from my view, was whether or not they could trust Kirilloff's health, knowing that his talent was too good to give up on if he had any chance of rebounding physically from this latest setback. Now, he has taken that decision out of their hands, bringing a sad end to one of the more promising careers in recent memory.

    You can learn more about the back injury that ultimately spelled the end of Kirilloff's career in Lucas Seehafer's writeup.

    Manuel Margot and Kyle Farmer's 2025 Options Declined
    This was a far less shocking development. Moving on from the underwhelming Margot, who had a $12 million club option, was a no-brainer, especially since the Twins aren't on the hook for his $2 million buyout. The same goes for Farmer, who would've made over $6 million again after posting an OPS+ of 82.

     

    While expected and well warranted, the departures of Margot and Farmer open up more clear holes on next year's roster alongside first base. That's where things start to get hairy. 

    Projecting the 2025 Roster and Payroll
    With Kirilloff and Margot out of the picture, we have a little more clarity around the outlook for next year's roster as it currently stands. Max Kepler, Carlos Santana and Caleb Thielbar will all hit the free agent market when it opens up next week. Farmer and Margot are out after having their 2025 options declined. Jorge Alcala also has a team option ($1.5 million), which I'd expect but the Twins activate but that's no guarantee.

    Based on these and a few other arbitration-related assumptions, here's how the 2025 roster currently projects:

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    In overviewing this roster makeup, a few things become immediately apparent. They need a first baseman. Jose Miranda is not an option as primary starter, or shouldn't be. I'm not sure who else would even conceivably play there other than, like, Yunior Severino. The Twins also desperately need to bolster their bench, ideally with higher-performing versions of Farmer and Margot. 

    At the same time, if the front office is indeed up against a $130 million budget, they have less than no money to address these needs. By my (inexact) calculations, the Twins are about $4 million in the red for 2025 before making any moves. So unfortunately, one of the big storylines heading into the offseason will be: How can they create a modicum of flexibility?

    A salary dump at the Carlos Correa, Pablo Lopez or Byron Buxton level is too grim for me to presently contemplate. So instead we turn out attention to the players who would be much less painful to lose.

    Can the Twins Find Takers for Chris Paddack or Christian Vazquez?
    When you look at the roster layout above, these names stand out most as the ones the Twins could most comfortably part ways with to unlock salary relief. Both were named by MLB Trade Rumors among top candidates to move this offseason. 

    I have no doubt the Twins will be motivated to deal both. That extra $17 million could go a long way toward patching up some of the aforementioned needs, and you're not losing much if at all by "downgrading" from an injury-plagued Paddack to David Festa, or a 34-year-old Vazquez to Jair Camargo

    Then again, I just legitimately wonder if there's going to be a real market for either one of these players. Their price tags aren't huge, and there are specific reasons why each could be valued (Paddack's upside, Vazquez's reliability), but they're coming off bad years with question marks attached. I could see those salaries being scrutinized heavily at a time where teams across MLB might be looking to scale back spending.

    If they're going to shop these two, the Twins will be compelled to act fast so they can free up that money to spend elsewhere before desired targets come off the board. 


    I don't know that it'll be an exciting offseason, but I do believe it'll be an intriguing one as Derek Falvey confronts these high-stakes challenges and navigates hot stove season without his right-hand man Thad Levine for the first time. Make sure you stay tuned into Twins Daily for coverage and analysis of everything as it happens. It's also a perfect time to sign up as a Caretaker, supporting our community's work and gaining access to premium Offseason Handbook content.

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    2 hours ago, Nick Nelson said:

    I don't know that there currently is a plan but I do think they will strongly prioritize finding a more experienced and natural first baseman to slot ahead of him, at least for the start of the season. Maybe they'll come up empty. But I would be shocked if they're saying right now, "We're fine at first base, we got Miranda."

    Why does it seem like the Twins do not view Royce Lewis as an option to play first base? I'm not seeing much in the way of positives of handing him third base again. The pitching staff must be wondering if the Twins have any plans to upgrade their defense.

    I think we're going to have a long offseason to debate position by position, but I'm just going to hit on various points here:

    1] PAYROLL: And this is the million dollar question isn't it? Pun intended. Despite what's been publicly stated, will they reverse gears and lower payroll? IMO, no they won't. The Pohlad's are looking at receiving $1.5-6B coming in the next 6-12 months. There's little to no reason to LOWER the product your trying to sell. For that matter, I wouldn't be shocked if Joe manuevered managed to talk the family in to a small increase as a "parting gift" to the team. I mean, $15-20M split between 10 family members is a little over $1M per person when they might all be looking at a $150M share. NOT saying that will happen, but we're talking a drop in the bucket to not cut payroll.

    2] The Twins need to get faster and more athletic overall as a team. A little better defense sure wouldn't hurt. Luckily, there's some of those guys on the way, a couple of which might be ready this season. But I'm not sure I see much in the way of FA or trades this offseason that add that. I think the team may end up working more around depth pieces that can help, less in the way of full time players.

    2A] Being limited doesn't mean there are zero possibilities to add here and there. I'm hoping the Twins can keep both Helman and Keirsey around for 2025. They may end up as nothing but AAAA players. But you don't know if you don't give them a shot. They offer the POTENTIAL to be good defense players with some speed to help the roster depth and provide some of that speed and athleticism. That's part of the reason I'm hoping they can keep Castro.

    3] I expect them to explore trades for Vazquez and Paddack to gain some $ room to make a couple moves. We've hashed those possibilities many times already so I won't go in to detail. But I believe either, or both, could be moved.

    4] I expect one surprise trade. They have enough young talent in the system to withstand such a move. I can see Lee or Keaschall, maybe even the just drafted Culpepper as being options in a move to acquire a young catcher from someone...and arm probably included...or a young 1B, or a talented RH OF to balance the lineup. I'm not sure I see as SP or a Jax or Duran being moved as you then weaken another portion of your team. And those kind of guys are not only hard to replace, they still aren't overly expensive for the next couple of years.

    5] IMO, in no particular order, the priorities are A] figuring out 1B, B] figuring out 2B, C] finding a solid RH bat for the OF to balance the lineup that can actually do OK against RHP, D] Come up with a viable, relatively proven LHRP for the pen instead of being "forced" to depend to heavily on Funderburk/Headrick/Moran.

    There's already an interesting OP concerning the Twins looking for a young catcher. Maybe that's where that one sort of big trade comes in to play. From there, you are more free to move Vazquez and use the $ savings to address the other spots I've mentioned.

    2B has options on hand from Lee, if not moved, Castro if kept, Julien if he rebounds, and Keaschall at some point if not moved. Maybe Eeles even enters the equation at some point.

    1B will include Miranda at some point I'm sure. I'm NOT saying 1B isn't important and that good defense isn't great to have there. But 1B and LF are the two spots on the field where you can live with a lower defensive player with a good/contributing bat. The past few seasons we've seen Sano, Arraez, and Solano suddenly move to 1B and at least be competent there on the fly. Miranda actually improved at 3B this year, has potential to improve with work and experience there, Julien's previous bat could be an option there, etc. I WANT a full time, quality player there. But I don't know that adding from the outside for that player NOW is going to happen. I'm certain the FO will be looking for a good fit and opportunity there, I'm just not certain the move is there just yet.

    For the love of all that is good about baseball, can't they find a decent RH bat for the OF that doesn't stink against RHP? Maybe a RH version of Kepler? Doesn't have to be an All Star caliber player, just a good, solid bat.

    The recent OP about possible LH pen arms that might be available was very interesting. It offered up at least a little bit of hope there might be an addition that could be made there that doesn't blow up payroll. I have at least a little faith in a couple of lefties on hand, but I'd like them better as a secondary option for the pen.

    I don't know how each of these will be addressed, or how to address them just days after the WS ended. I don't believe this team needs an overhaul, but it does need a re-tool here and there. And those are the spots that need to be addressed, whether internally or externally. It might not be easy, but that's why Falvey is in charge and not ME, LOL.

    But that's what I see as we prepare for the winter.

    10 hours ago, USAFChief said:

    I don't understand the love for Miranda as a regular first baseman.

    What is the best case scenario there? .750 OPS?

    That's gonna get us back into the postseason??

    Well he’s only hitting his prime years and he’s been at .750 OPS in two of his three seasons. I don’t see that as his best case scenario.

    But really, if they have only $10-15M to spend (and I suspect the 130M promise might be reneged), I don’t suspect you’re getting much of an upgrade at 1B for that amount. I’d take the .750 OPS at 1B already in hand and look to improve elsewhere. 

    Miranda had the fifth highest OPS+ on the team last year. It's understandable if someone doesn't believe in him, but I don't understand how there aren't a dozen players one wouldn't believe in even less.

    8 hours ago, Nick Nelson said:

    I didn't say he was unplayable there. Just that he shouldn't be viewed as the Plan A starter at first base next year -- based partially on his defensive aptitude, partially on the way this team values good defense at 1B, and partially on his lack of power at the plate. He had zero home runs in the second half! 

    Do they prioritize good defense at 1B? Not when Sano was here, not when Alex Kirilloff was the primary 1B all off season until signing Santana two weeks before spring training opened.

    Miranda was the primary 1B in 2022, I think you're underestimating their acceptance of his glove and overestimating what they demand from the defense.

    I know there is an unfair assumption that if you can play any other position you can play 1B, which isn't true, but honestly, being able to play 3B is perhaps the best indicator you can. Right handed players have to backhand balls at the hot corner which is the most similar play to snagging errant short hops from the infielders, and with right handers, their glove hand directly guards the line at 1B. If there is one position that should translate to 1B, it's 3B, and Miranda hasn't shown anything to prove otherwise.

    Spend the money elsewhere, there's likely not a 13M upgrade, and if there was, there'd no money to upgrade anywhere else. This spot would be very, very low on my priority list.

     

    This will be a slow offseason.  The big moves are trading Paddack and his exorbitant 7.5 million salary and the Twins will sign Jorge Polanco to a 1 year 3 million contract with 1 or 2 million in incentives.  I hope they resign Santana but I can also see him going to San Diego or another team that wants a low cost 1B.  Another signing could be Taylor on a 1 year 1 or 2 million contract.  He had a bad season last year and so i am sure he wont cost much.  and a few minor league signings for relievers and what else is on the list of things to do?  

    The entire Twins FO are as they say in politics "lame ducks".  Highly unlikely the new owner(s) will keep Falvey or his coaching staff.  Anything the FO does has to be viewed through the lens of no negative impact to the sale, which I think the Pohlads are highly motivated to complete ASAP, to plug that gaping hole in their finances from the commercial real estate hole they're in.

    So what improves the sale of the team?  Low payroll for starters given the RSN revenue implosion.  Can see it go either way with Buxton, C4 and Lopez, arguments to keep/trade any of them make sense depending on return.  But quality pitching is still at the top of the priority list so I suspect Lopez is the last thing a new owner would want removed.  

    MLB rosters are gonna shift radically to young, cheap and already available players on the team, how else to deal with the payroll implosion?

    On 11/1/2024 at 1:14 PM, SteveLV said:

    Miranda playing 1B is the least of our worries on this roster.

    Lopez is an extremely valuable trade piece.  One option to dump salary would be to package him with Vasquez and/or Paddack (or all 3) to a high revenue team for a slew of young, hopefully good players.

    If someone comes asking about Correa, and it is a market he would like to play in, pull the trigger.  Same for Buxton.

    In other words:  Tear it down to the studs and start playing all the young, inexpensive players to see who can play and who can't.  We are stuck in the middle now and it isn't going to yield post-season success and is only frustrating for fans.

    Meanwhile, hope the Pohlads find a buyer who is interested in fielding a competitive team in the current MLB environment.

    This... this... aaaaaaaaand (unfortunately) THIS!

    13 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

    Do they prioritize good defense at 1B? Not when Sano was here, not when Alex Kirilloff was the primary 1B all off season until signing Santana two weeks before spring training opened.

    Miranda was the primary 1B in 2022, I think you're underestimating their acceptance of his glove and overestimating what they demand from the defense.

    I know there is an unfair assumption that if you can play any other position you can play 1B, which isn't true, but honestly, being able to play 3B is perhaps the best indicator you can. Right handed players have to backhand balls at the hot corner which is the most similar play to snagging errant short hops from the infielders, and with right handers, their glove hand directly guards the line at 1B. If there is one position that should translate to 1B, it's 3B, and Miranda hasn't shown anything to prove otherwise.

    Spend the money elsewhere, there's likely not a 13M upgrade, and if there was, there'd no money to upgrade anywhere else. This spot would be very, very low on my priority list.

    I agree that they didn't used to prioritize 1B defense, in the days of Cron and Sano. But I get the impression they've changed their view in recent years. They spent a good chunk of their available resources the past two offseasons on Joey Gallo and Carlos Santana, largely because of their gloves at 1B. They were open about that.

    This year they saw the impact that Santana's defense had all season long, saving runs time and time again. They know they need to get sharper defensively. And after all that, they're gonna run out Miranda – a verifiably poor defender thus far with like a dozen games of 1B experience the past couple years – to try and corral throws from Lewis and Julien or what have you? I just don't see it. I could well be wrong. The points yall are making are definitely valid. 

    Cron was actually more than adequate defensively at 1B for the twins in 2019.  I think Doc Bauer does a great job of summarizing.  The Pohlad's need to be careful what they do because they need a competitive team to maximize their sale.  They played with fire last season and they got scortched.

    So far, there has been nothing leaked about potential buyers but I've got to believe some people quietly reached out to the Pohlad family as soon as the announcement was made.  They will not simply just "run it back" because it's clear the division (with the exception of the White Sox) has moved past them as things presently stand.

    So the Twins won't stand pat, but they won't tear the whole thing down to the studs either.  And they shouldn't.  There is a decent core, but some glaring holes with the roster that haven't been addressed in far too long.  When you have a glut of LH outfield bats, you don't sign Joey Gallo.  You just don't.

    I could see one major surprise trade like Doc Bauer suggested.  It won't be Lopez.  It won't be Correa.  It probably won't be Ryan or Ober.  But I think it could be Buxton.  His $15 million dollar salary is treated like an albatross by all of us here on TD.  In reality, it's a drop in the bucket to many teams Buxton just might drop his no-trade.  The Red Sox don't need him, they have Duran, Abreu and Rafaela.  They have plenty of options.  But I'll bet the Yankees would love to move Judge back to RF and Soto to LF if they could get Buxton.  The Dodgers would be interested if they decided to make Edman the starter at SS.

    They could find somebody to make the move.  Buxton's value has never been higher.  He finally played in 100 games for the 2nd time in his career.  Consider this:  If a guy plays in 100 games that amounts to just 62% of the total schedule.  No matter how good a player is (or could be) a team like the Twins cannot win and SUSTAIN winning, if one of their "Stars" is only available about half the time.  A team like the Dodgers or Yankees CAN make that work, because they have the extra payroll to have a solid backup.  Buxton will never be more marketable than he is right now.  It's time to move on.  

    If there is a SP that I think they could move, it just might be SWR.  His value is at an all-time high.  They have Festa and Matthews behind him with Jax being a Wild Card as a rotation option if the Twins give him the chance.  I'd rather hold onto Lopez, Ryan and Ober and look at what kind of return I could get for SWR. 

    Maybe the Twins offer Wallner, SWR and Paddack for Teel and something else?  I think tony&rodney and I agree as do several others that we need to acquire a Catcher who is young and on the verge of making the big leagues.  Jeffers isn't the answer.  Vasquez to Miami is a strong possibility. 

    A major overhaul of the roster is not going to happen.  A couple of minor moves around the fringes will not move the needle to the point that there is sufficient fan excitement to facilitate a favorable sale for the Pohlad family.   Each trade should be made with a plan for what the NEXT move is going to be.  It's Chess.  Not Checkers.   




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