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    Dear Twins: Don't Sell!


    Steven BUHR

    Like a lot of Twins fans, I think, I’ve been coasting a bit with my fandom. The results on the field have been disappointing.

    Ervin Santana, Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton and Jorge Polanco hadn’t even been on the field much, if at all, during most of the first half of the season.

    The expected two-team competition for the American League Central Division title quickly became no race at all, with Cleveland outpacing the pack.

    So, I fell in line with the expectation that the Minnesota front office should and would be sellers at the July non-waiver trade deadline.

    But a funny thing happens to me when I start to hear so many voices saying, “Sell!” in unison. I start looking for reasons to buy.

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    Yeah, my portfolio took a hit Thursday when Facebook shares dropped almost 20%. But I didn’t sell. I’m holding onto my Facebook stock. In fact, I’m probably going to add to my existing position after letting the dust settle for a few days.

    I think that’s what the Twins should do, too.

    No, I don’t mean they should invest in Facebook (though it wouldn’t be the worst investment the Twins have made over the years), I mean they should hold and maybe even buy.

    When the chorus grew so loud in support of the Twins being a seller at the deadline that there was support for not only trading players with expiring contracts and/or little expectation that they’d be part of the 2019 roster, but also for sending Kyle Gibson and Ryan Pressly packing, I took a step back from the cliff.

    If so many people were that convinced it was time to not only trade spare parts, but important 2019 cogs in the machinery, I wondered if maybe it’s time to do the opposite.

    After all, a year ago, the front office gave up and started selling about this time (though it turned out they didn’t have a ton of guys that other teams were interested in buying). As we all know, the Twins overcame that lack of faith, forcing their way into the one-and-done AL Wild Card game.

    But this is not 2017, obviously.

    At the end of July a year ago, Minnesota trailed Cleveland by 6 ½ games in AL Central. This year, they trail by 7 after Thursday night’s win over Boston.

    Last year, the Royals also stood between the Twins and the top of the Division. Not so this year. If Minnesota doesn’t mount a challenge, Cleveland will stroll to the Division title.

    A year ago, not only were the Twins well off the pace being set by Cleveland, they were going the wrong direction. They had started the month of July three games above .500, tied for the second AL Wild Card spot and just two games behind the Indians in the Division race. They finished the month tied with Baltimore, 4 ½ games behind the Royals in the race for the second Wild Card and two games behind Seattle and Tampa.

    Whatever momentum they had was moving them in the wrong direction so, of course, you sell.

    But this is not 2017.

    First of all, unlike a season ago, Minnesota will not be contending for an AL Wild Card spot.

    A year ago, there was one very good AL team in Houston and a lot of mediocrity after that. This year, there are a pair of teams in the East and three in the West that are leaving pretty much everyone else, including the Twins (and Cleveland, for that matter), in the dust.

    Entering July this season, the Twins at 35-44, were nine games under .500, eight games behind Cleveland in the standings and 15 ½ games back of the second WC spot.

    That’s not ideal, I grant. They’ve gone 13-9 this month and only managed to trim one game off their deficit to the Division leaders. That being the case, nobody can be blamed for advocating that the Twins replace player surnames with “FOR SALE” on back of most players’ jerseys.

    Unlike a year ago, however, Minnesota doesn’t need to claw their way through a crowded field in the hopes of earning a single play-in game at Yankee Stadium. They’re chasing one team and, if they should catch them, the reward is at least one full postseason series.

    And, unlike a year ago, their momentum is moving them in the right direction, notwithstanding last weekend’s debacle in Kansas City.

    The Twins also will face Cleveland ten times between now and the end of August. And it’s not like Minnesota has been beaten up by the Tribe this season, either. On the contrary. The Twins have won six of the nine games the two teams have completed this year.

    Everyone seems to think this is the same Cleveland team that went to the World Series a couple years ago. It isn’t. Yes, they have three guys at the top of their batting order that are very good. You want to include Edwin Encarnacion, I’ll let you. But after that? Who are you really afraid of?

    They have some pitching, yes. But that pitching hasn’t translated into as many wins in July as the Twins have notched and the Twins just added Ervin Santana, who didn’t look too rusty in his season debut this week.

    Yes, the Minnesota front office could throw in the towel now. It appears that not a lot of fans would blame them. It has been a disappointing year, to this point.

    They could get what they can for the guys with expiring contracts. Discard Lance Lynn, Brian Dozier, Eduardo Escobar, Zach Duke, even Joe Mauer if he’s inclined to approve of a deal to a contender. Probably add Jake Odorizzi to the list if you’re not of a mind to offer him arbitration for 2019. Likewise, maybe get someone interested in Santana if you don’t think you’ll pick up his $14 million club option for 2019.

    Make way for the next round of young talent that’s stewing in Rochester and Chattanooga. Let them get their feet wet in August and September, then be ready to re-engage the battle for AL Central supremacy in 2019.

    But is this really what we’ve come to? Baseball seasons are just four months long? If you’re a few games out of the top spot in your Division at the end of July, you pack it in and, “wait ‘til next year?”

    I’m sure the folks running Cleveland’s club are hoping that’s what the Twins will do. If so, they can virtually coast through the final two months and prepare for the postseason.

    I get that trading some (or all) of those players would potentially add a few pretty decent young prospects. And if the Twins’ farm system was in dire straights without much talent in the pipeline, maybe I’d go along with a fire sale right now. But that is not the case.

    The Twins have some really good talent at every level of their minor league organization right now. Sure, you always want more because some guys with high ceilings just don’t pan out, but as much as I enjoy watching minor league baseball, let’s not lose sight of the fact that the purpose in all of this is to win at the Major League level.

    As things stand, the Twins have a rotation of Santana, Berrios, Gibson, Lynn and Odorizzi. It may not be the equal of Cleveland’s, but it ain’t bad.

    If you think Fernando Romero, Aaron Slegers or Stephen Gonsalves would perform better in the fifth spot than Odorizzi, then make that move. But do it because you think it not only will make your team better in 2019 but will also improve their chances to catch and pass Cleveland this year.

    Or, here’s a thought – if you think you could improve your rotation, maybe trade FOR a better pitcher (ideally, one with at least another year of control left after this season), rather than selling off the ones you’ve got.

    And please, just stop the talk about trading Kyle Gibson already. This is not a rebuild. If you really have given up on 2018, fine, but don’t give up on 2019, too.

    With all of the problems this organization has had finding really good starting pitching, why would you trade a guy just when it looks like he’s becoming a really good starting pitcher and still has a year of team control left?

    Just because you could get somewhat better prospects in return? They’re still prospects and you’re probably just going to hope that one of them ends up developing into a pitcher as good as Gibson.

    As a fan base, we’ve been lulled into this never-ending routine that emphasizes acquisition and development of quality minor league talent. That’s all well and good until it takes over the organization’s mentality to the extent that they let a few games’ deficit in the standings in July keep them from even bothering to try to compete through the rest of the season.

    I say let’s go for it!

    What are you afraid of? If it doesn't work out, you still have all the quality young talent waiting to fill in where needed next season and so much payroll money coming off the books that you won't be able to figure out how to spend it all.

    If you don’t take advantage of those 10 head-to-head meetings with Cleveland, there are still likely to be waiver deals to be made before the end of August. No, the returns may not be as good as they would be right now, but I’m pretty satisfied with where the Twins’ farm system sits now. I don’t need more.

    I don’t want my baseball season to keep being four months long. I want the full six months.

    I want to see if Santana, Buxton and Sano can overcome their personal setbacks and help turn the Twins into the kind of team nobody wants to have to face in September.

    I want to see if this team, that was supposed to be a contender, can get some traction and do something to make Cleveland sweat a little bit. Don’t just hand them the Division. Let’s make things interesting for them.

    That’s what competing is all about, isn’t it?

    (This article was originally posted at Knuckleballsblog.com)

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    I love Escobar, but if the Twins WERE going to have any chance to catch Cleveland, it was almost certainly going to require Sano to come back and hit well. That being the case, Escobar was going to be a man without a regular position.

    Not necessarily. We still have a pretty big hole at DH that Sano could have filled, if he was ready. We may have wanted 3B reps for Sano to get ready for 2019 too -- but in that case, we could use Escobar at DH if he was still hitting. Or slide him over to 2B/SS if those players are scuffling. (And not to put the cart before the horse, but Polanco would have been ineligible for the postseason too, so Escobar getting regular SS reps could have been helpful.)

     

    I generally agree with you though -- I don't really mind the trades in isolation, I would probably like the returns, but they still feel a little depressing in context and they've definitely tempered my interest/enthusiasm for the club right now. Almost wish we had been another ~5 games back, or had a club between us and Cleveland in the standings.

    Not necessarily. We still have a pretty big hole at DH that Sano could have filled, if he was ready.

    It's faintly possible that the Twins somehow had some inside information that he was not. :)

     

    In which case the season is lost, in which case trading Esco-bear is defensible.

     

    The Sano promotion this weekend could be for different purposes than readiness.

     

    Well I believe that the Twins have winning records against Boston, Cleveland and Houston so far this year?? They've just stunk against KC, Detroit, and the White Sox??

    They now have a losing record against Boston (3-4) and they're 2-1 against Houston, so that doesn't mean a whole lot. It is odd how they haven't played their best against the AL Central outside of Cleveland...

    no surprise, they just traded away their second best player after 4 wins in a row.

    That was preceeded by a sweep at the hands of the Royals. You can try to put lipstick on a pig all you’d like, but the record and standings don’t lie

     

    That was preceeded by a sweep at the hands of the Royals. You can try to put lipstick on a pig all you’d like, but the record and standings don’t lie

    Record and standings don't lie, except for when they do.

     

    You see, if I state that this Front Office inherited an 85-win team from 2017 and has turned it into a sell-off in 2018, then I'm told that they weren't as good as their record in 2017. 

     

    So, no, that is just your opinion.

    Record and standings don't lie, except for when they do.

     

    You see, if I state that this Front Office inherited an 85-win team from 2017 and has turned it into a sell-off in 2018, then I'm told that they weren't as good as their record in 2017.

     

    So, no, that is just your opinion.

    What? Last years team may have out performed their peripherals but they won 85 games, no one has taken that away. This years team may be better than its record indicates, but unfortunately the record is all that matters when determining post season teams.

     

    It’s great that you were so impressed by the 4 game winning streak, but all that winning streak did was bring them within 5 games of .500

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    no surprise, they just traded away their second best player after 4 wins in a row.

     

    Yeah, true. 

     

    However, who on this team is going to rise to the challenge? Rosario is a gamer, and so is Berrios. The rest?

     

    Mauer, Dozier, these guys are milque-toast. Watched the great post someone made about the Morris game 7 win in 91. Those guys had winner attitude. We got a bunch of nice guys who lack that "we gonna kick yo ass" attitude.

     

     

    Yeah, true. 

     

    However, who on this team is going to rise to the challenge? Rosario is a gamer, and so is Berrios. The rest?

     

    I believe in Kepler, still believe in Buxton, have always believed in Gibson, but the other name you are looking for is Eduardo Escobar.

     

    See what I mean?

    Also, I love Dozier, but I just think Father Time is not being kind to him. We see how Kipnis and others of his type are not aging well. At this point I hope the front office trades Dozier to a winner. Get whatever you can get. Might as well complete the 2018 sell off. Why go half way on that, too?

     

    I am in complete agreement with the original post. I want to see a six month pennant race in 2019.

    no surprise, they just traded away their second best player after 4 wins in a row.

    'This team needs to get to the point where four game winning streaks are the norm, not the high point of the season before they'll be a real contender.

    Maybe the team should have reconsidered being nearly ten games under .500 after the KC series if they wanted to compete.

    I think the problem with the "blame the players" reasoning is that the players aren't a monolith. Sure, you can blame Morrison, you can blame Dozier, you can blame Sano -- but would you blame Escobar? Rosario? Berrios? Gibson? I've got a lot of sympathy for those guys.

     

    I think the problem with the "blame the players" reasoning is that the players aren't a monolith. Sure, you can blame Morrison, you can blame Dozier, you can blame Sano -- but would you blame Escobar? Rosario? Berrios? Gibson? I've got a lot of sympathy for those guys.

    Sure, I have a lot of sympathy for the guys who are playing their asses off out there but this team has vastly underperformed. I can put some of the blame on coaching but at the end of the day, there's no excuse for some of these players to have backslid as hard or quickly as they did. That's on them.

    Maybe the team should have reconsidered being nearly ten games under .500 after the KC series if they wanted to compete.

    Well, the same front office selling Escobar for lottery tickets is the same front office who brought us Lynn, Morrison, Rodney, who can't close out a one run game, Duke and Reed, who have been ok at times but overall average, and Odorizzi, who has been average though I do like Odorizzi. You can say in other threads that all of those FA signings were "smart" signings, but that doesn't make it so. Not everyone was on board or happy about the offseason.

    And somewhat arbitrary small sample, but the team was 13-8 since Polanco returned from his suspension up until the front office decided to start selling. Made up 2 games on Cleveland in that time, without the benefit of any head-to-head matchups. (Pretty good considering they lost Polanco's 3 games back -- since that point, they had made up 5 games on Cleveland.)

     

    Now, Polanco was no superstar that was expected to carry the team, but his absence was a bit of an external factor out of the other players control. And his return was a welcome positive development after a few negative ones. Ervin's return too. And maybe just by bad luck of timing, the team never really got a chance to fully redeem themselves after their returns.

     

    Well, the same front office selling Escobar for lottery tickets is the same front office who brought us Lynn, Morrison, Rodney, who can't close out a one run game, Duke and Reed, who have been ok at times but overall average, and Odorizzi, who has been average though I do like Odorizzi. You can say in other threads that all of those FA signings were "smart" signings, but that doesn't make it so. Not everyone was on board or happy about the offseason.

    Lots of guys have underperformed. The signings were mostly bad in retrospect but that happens, especially when coupled with almost everyone else on the team taking a step back.

     

    But that doesn't change the fact that the players have no right to be "deer in headlights" after the Escobar trade. If they wanted Escobar on the team, they should have gotten their **** together and played up to their career lines. Escobar was doing his job; over half the rest of the roster was not.

    Hey all, just want to thank you all for taking the time to read this post and also thanks for the discussion in the comments. 

     

    I'm not thrilled with the FO decision and, while I don't think anyone can really blame them for selling off parts for possible future help, I wish they hadn't - certainly not for just one AA guy and a bunch of Class A-level talent. If they'd added talent that you'd reasonably expect to contribute next year, it would have been just a little bit easier to accept again.

     

    It's easy to say, "the players should have played better if they didn't want to become sellers," and that's certainly valid. But every season is going to see x players under-perform and y players meet/exceed expectations.

     

    If Pressly had been available and Escobar had been around, maybe the Twins win Friday's game. No way to know. But they will certainly lose more games without those players... and any others that may be dealt in the next few days... over the next 2 months than they would have with them.

     

     

    Sure, I have a lot of sympathy for the guys who are playing their asses off out there but this team has vastly underperformed. I can put some of the blame on coaching but at the end of the day, there's no excuse for some of these players to have backslid as hard or quickly as they did. That's on them.

    That would seem to be a decided minority of players, no? And a few of those point directly back to the front office anyway.

     

    That would seem to be a decided minority of players, no? And a few of those point directly back to the front office anyway.

    Six of one, half dozen of the other. There's no excuse for Lynn, Reed, Morrison, et al performing at the levels they have this season. They're all veterans with established track records and none of them are old.

     

    To a lesser extent, there's no excuse for Sano or Buxton's seasons (though Buxton has something of a defense).

     

    I'm not giving the front office a pass because they pretty obviously chose the wrong players. But I refuse to give the players a pass, either, because they had either a veteran track record or the same coaching staff last year and played much better. It's their responsibility to get their asses on the field and play baseball at the level we've seen them do in past seasons.

    But that doesn't change the fact that the players have no right to be "deer in headlights" after the Escobar trade. If they wanted Escobar on the team, they should have gotten their **** together and played up to their career lines. Escobar was doing his job; over half the rest of the roster was not.

    Is it good GM'ing to mostly sit on your hands for 4 months, then take Escobar and Pressly away because of a few underperforming players? Just when your team, overall, is showing some signs of life in July, in advance of a big opportunity to face Cleveland head to head?

     

    St Louis had similar "coin flip" playoff odds as we did (they were a little closer to a spot, but were competing with more teams), suggesting similar destiny control going forward. They actually DFA'd a couple veteran underperformers and called up some prospects last week. The Nationals had a bad start, and tried to shore up with a major trade acquisition way back in June.

     

    What has our FO done? I guess they dropped Hughes early in the season, although that move was a long time coming. They signed Belisle for mop-up work in June. They curiously demoted Romero and then Mejia after Odorizzi and Lynn had bad starts, respectively.

     

    Yes, some players have underperformed. But I am not really comforted by how the front office has dealt with that either.

    Six of one, half dozen of the other. There's no excuse for Lynn, Reed, Morrison, et al performing at the levels they have this season. They're all veterans with established track records and none of them are old.

     

    To a lesser extent, there's no excuse for Sano or Buxton's seasons (though Buxton has something of a defense).

     

    I'm not giving the front office a pass because they pretty obviously chose the wrong players. But I refuse to give the players a pass, either, because they had either a veteran track record or the same coaching staff last year and played much better. It's their responsibility to get their asses on the field and play baseball at the level we've seen them do in past seasons.

    FWIW, Morrison has been pretty unlucky by expected wOBA. (Mauer too, apparently.) And Lynn has been fairly cromulent since his late start. Reed was hurt.

     

    But let's complete the "et al". Polanco got himself suspended, but he's back. Grossman scuffled, but has come on strong, nearing his preseason projections. Dozier has scuffled too, but is at least playing around an average WAR level. Kepler too (and maybe he's a little BABIP unlucky?).

     

    Castro got hurt, and Garver scuffled but has been coming on strong. Erv was hurt, but now he's back.

     

    The big ones are Sano and Buxton. Sano... he finished 2017 poorly so I can't say this is entirely unexpected. Thankfully we had Escobar. Buxton was bad, then hurt (and bad), but the front office's solution for 3 months was LaMarre and more Grossman. They just turned to Cave before we started improving in July (not that I necessarily expect him to keep performing).

     

    I don't know. What you are trying to say is just a clear reason for the front office to sell, actually looks to me like the we had some hope going forward, and/or the front office is partly to blame for their poor response (or lack thereof).

    And I don't like to wade too much into the waters of "how will current and future players react?", but when we start talking about blaming the players for the deadline sale, it is sort of a natural corollary.

     

    Two seasons in a row of that, and it might start leaving a mark...

     

    Is it good GM'ing to mostly sit on your hands for 4 months, then take Escobar and Pressly away because of a few underperforming players? Just when your team, overall, is showing some signs of life in July, in advance of a big opportunity to face Cleveland head to head?

    St Louis had similar "coin flip" playoff odds as we did (they were a little closer to a spot, but were competing with more teams), suggesting similar destiny control going forward. They actually DFA'd a couple veteran underperformers and called up some prospects last week. The Nationals had a bad start, and tried to shore up with a major trade acquisition way back in June.

    What has our FO done? I guess they dropped Hughes early in the season, although that move was a long time coming. They signed Belisle for mop-up work in June. They curiously demoted Romero and then Mejia after Odorizzi and Lynn had bad starts, respectively.

    Yes, some players have underperformed. But I am not really comforted by how the front office has dealt with that either.

     

    A coin flip is 50/50. We are not remotely a coin flip. Plus, the only reason we have a chance to make the playoffs is that we play in an extremely weak division. 

     

    Is the goal to make the playoffs in a weak division or is it to construct a great team? It seems many of you are want to waste an opportunity to get better for a small chance to get into a playoff series where we would be the considerably weaker team no matter which of the opponents we draw. That is an incredibly misguided unless your goal is to stay mediocre or in our case not even mediocre.

    You start the season with a group of players, and they determine where you end up - sorry, but this particular group just isn't up to snuff. Losing Buxton, Sano, Castro, Polanco,and Santana was just too big a hole to dig out of. Keeping Pressly and Eduardo was never going to change that. 

     

     




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