2023 Twins 10-round Mock Draft

1 hour ago, Seth Stohs said:

I like how we all think that a consensus top 12 pick is just a terrible pick. It's the MLB draft, the guys projected to go at the top aren't all success stories, and overlooked players are in every draft. 1.) Gonzalez could become a better MLB player than any of those top 5 cuz that's just how baseball works, and 2.) to be able to acquire 2-3 players that rank higher than normal slot value guys might prove valuable too. I like the strategy a lot. If Sean Johnson and the Twins cross-checkers and the area scout aren't convicted that Jenkins (or whoever is left) is going to be a great player, then they should take someone else and work the system. 

 What's your opinion on the actual player? Is it what you want?

1 hour ago, Seth Stohs said:

I like how we all think that a consensus top 12 pick is just a terrible pick. It's the MLB draft, the guys projected to go at the top aren't all success stories, and overlooked players are in every draft. 1.) Gonzalez could become a better MLB player than any of those top 5 cuz that's just how baseball works, and 2.) to be able to acquire 2-3 players that rank higher than normal slot value guys might prove valuable too. I like the strategy a lot. If Sean Johnson and the Twins cross-checkers and the area scout aren't convicted that Jenkins (or whoever is left) is going to be a great player, then they should take someone else and work the system. 

Also, can you find one site updated in the last two weeks that has him top 12?

CBS has him 21 and FG in the 30s..... He's not anywhere near top ten right now. 

Fox had him 11, but I can't find the time they updated.....

2 minutes ago, terrydactyls said:

I don't get your second line.  

"Awfully appeal to authority"?

Look up appeal to authority. 

Seth also uses it.... Seems like an owner of this site would encourage conversation, but what do I know?

7 minutes ago, terrydactyls said:

How many of you would like to see MLB get rid of the rule prohibiting trading draft picks?  It would be a much cleaner draft if the Twins could trade the #5 pick for a somewhat lower first round pick and a top 4 prospect (or a good young player already in the majors).

I would bet every fan wants this! 

It would also speed up how fast bad teams get better, as I'd bet good teams send out a lot of 2nd round picks for current MLB players as rentals. 

Already stated my opinion earlier, but felt a need to add based on further conversation. 

You don't draft in the 1st round, especially at #5, just for need. You draft best player available. But even IF you draft an under slot player, you should:

A] Grab the best UPSIDE player in that under slot spot

B] BECAUSE you are deciding to select someone under slot, it's OK, IMO, to then examine organizational need. In other words, the upside of Teel, or one of the best arms, college or HS.

Nothing against Gonzalez personally, or professionally, but the UPSIDE doesn't seem to be there from everything I've read. (Like I actually KNOW anything). He has, potentially, a great hit and contact tool. But he has no speed, limited power, and questions about sticking at SS. Not enough power for 3B, so he's maybe a 2B with a great hit tool? Do we need more 2B options?

Not every prospect turns out. And draftees, including Gonzalez, can grow and improve. But right now, even with questions about Polanco's future, Julien is an obvious option there. Lee or Lewis might figure at 2B. Severino might fit there. How about Schobel...raking at A+ and probably ready for AA...also as an interesting option at 2B. 

Not saying Gonzalez will be a bad player at all. But he doesn't fit an organizational need at #5 as an under slot pick! Teel, one of many available top 10-12 arms just makes much more sense, with the UPSIDE you still want.

I don't think Teel saves you a penny at this point.

1 hour ago, Jeremy Nygaard said:

In the simplest form, yes I would like to see MLB allowing teams to trade draft picks.

But without really tight rules in place, it would be a disaster. Agents already manipulate players going to certain teams. (Absolutely what Boras is doing with Crews.) Could you imagine how this would play out if the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers or Padres could just trade into the Top 5? There's a reason they have access to the least amount of pool money and that's to keep it from happening.

Do you also allow future picks to be traded? That's how teams m that everyove up in other drafts. But that would be super difficult to do when teams could lose their pick (or have the pick drop).

The whole idea is just too complex right now.

Weird that every other sport has figured out this complex issue....

1 minute ago, 2wins87 said:

Right, no one has scouted them so isn't forming a super strong opinion on them based on what a couple writers say also just an appeal to a different authority?

I'm not saying the Twins are right; I don't know if there is much evidence that their draft model is very good compared to other teams. The public consensus probably misses on players just as often as any individual team though, except for maybe a couple of really poor drafting teams.

I'd rather debate overall strategy than individual players in the draft, but of course people can express strong opinions on individual players on a forum. My opinion is that calling a single pick--that hasn't even happened--grounds for termination is just kind of silly.

If we only had one data point, it would be silly. And, I don't know, maybe that was clearly an exaggeration? No one gets fired during a draft.....

2 minutes ago, 2wins87 said:

But how many data points and differing opinions go into creating a single team's draft board? The Twins' internal draft board is also a consensus, probably based on a larger number of voices and data points that the public one.

A consensus can still be wrong if it's based on a bad process, but I don't think the public consensus should really be treated as a higher authority than a single team's draft board. I do think there are probably a bunch of teams that have a better process/inputs than the Twins do. I'm ambivalent on whether the public consensus is any better.

I'm talking about the overall performance of the FO for seven years. That's the data, not this draft board.....