TRADE: Twins Send Jorge Polanco to Mariners in Five-Player Deal

[DocBauer]

54 minutes ago, Kirby Killebrew said:

Good analysis, Doc.  We lose this trade in the short run.  But, we won't know if we won/lost this trade for another five years, assuming we keep Gonzalez that long.  

Just let me say that with afterthought and more reading and reflection, I'm liking the Topa add more and more. I'm not sure where he fits in the pen hierarchy  at this time, but if his 2023 is even close to being real and sustainable, I really like his addition to the pen. And that does make the trade better.

[SkyBlueWaters]

Remember Wimpy, of the Popeye cartoons?

“I will gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today.”

The Twins are the reverse. We lost a wonderful pitcher in Sonny Grey, quality start after quality start, and we’ve only added a back of the rotation guy, while realistically getting one real prospect. (Ok, and a relief prospect.)

It’s the reverse Wimpy. I’ll glad pay you today, for a hamburger on Tuesday.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

9 hours ago, SkyBlueWaters said:

Remember Wimpy, of the Popeye cartoons?

“I will gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today.”

The Twins are the reverse. We lost a wonderful pitcher in Sonny Grey, quality start after quality start, and we’ve only added a back of the rotation guy, while realistically getting one real prospect. (Ok, and a relief prospect.)

It’s the reverse Wimpy. I’ll glad pay you today, for a hamburger on Tuesday.

I think this signals

1) the FO believes Joe Ryan is going to be closer to ‘22 than his injury hobbled ‘23

2) Bailey Ober’s 7th in MLB ranked WHIP is real and he’s a lot better pitcher than a back of the rotation type

3) Paddack is healthy and should slot strong as a mid rotation type starter but at the 5th spot to manage his innings.

4) Pablo Lopez wasn’t a mirage last year

5) The FO values depth in the rotation (which there isn’t much past Varland to start the season)

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

I think this signals

1) the FO believes Joe Ryan is going to be closer to ‘22 than his injury hobbled ‘23

2) Bailey Ober’s 7th in MLB ranked WHIP is real and he’s a lot better pitcher than a back of the rotation type

3) Paddack is healthy and should slot strong as a mid rotation type starter but at the 5th spot to manage his innings.

4) Pablo Lopez wasn’t a mirage last year

5) The FO values depth in the rotation (which there isn’t much past Varland to start the season)

Front office showed last year how much they love depth, among hitters. This year they want it for pitchers, and likely have it for hitters, though they need another OF....

[SkyBlueWaters]

On 1/31/2024 at 5:47 PM, Richie the Rally Goat said:

 The FO values depth in the rotation (which there isn’t much past Varland to start the season)

I think we largely agree. I’d add, however, that this counts on the starters remaining healthy most of the year. How often is that realistic?

I remember S.F., in 2012 I think, got incredible years from Cain, Bumgarner, Lincecum, Vogelsong, and Zito—those 5 started 160 games, and with that talent, goes a ways toward winning the World Series. But that’s far and away the exception. Most rotations need someone to step in.

I sure hope that, after Lopez (legit ace), we can find playoff caliber no. 2 and 3 guys from Ryan, Ober, Varland, Paddack, maybe even Disco Desclafini, if he has a helluva bounceback. It’s just asking a lot.

Especially as the FO has gone all in on position players, and the high ceiling we have in talent with Lewis, Correa, Buxton, even Julien.

 

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

3 hours ago, SkyBlueWaters said:

I think we largely agree. I’d add, however, that this counts on the starters remaining healthy most of the year. How often is that realistic?

I remember S.F., in 2012 I think, got incredible years from Cain, Bumgarner, Lincecum, Vogelsong, and Zito—those 5 started 160 games, and with that talent, goes a ways toward winning the World Series. But that’s far and away the exception. Most rotations need someone to step in.

I sure hope that, after Lopez (legit ace), we can find playoff caliber no. 2 and 3 guys from Ryan, Ober, Varland, Paddack, maybe even Disco Desclafini, if he has a helluva bounceback. It’s just asking a lot.

Especially as the FO has gone all in on position players, and the high ceiling we have in talent with Lewis, Correa, Buxton, even Julien.

 

 

I wonder if DeSclafini starts the season in the rotation pushing Varland to AAA, or if he’s a swing man and pushes Sands and or Winder out.

having DeSclafini in the rotation and Varland in AAA gives the a ton of Depth as both Raya and Festa could/should give some big league innings this year, hopefully successful big league innings.

[USAFChief]

In light of the "Desclafani isnt like these other trades" thread, I thought folk might want to review the reactions at the time of transaction.