Anyone else sick of our horrible roto?

[Brodin4Calder]

The Twins roto stats as of today-

 

Scott Diamond- 35.1IP, 15K, 4.08ERA, 1.30WHIP

Kevin Correia- 53.2IP, 22K, 3.35ERA, 1.23WHIP

Vance Worley- 39.0IP, 21K, 7.15ERA, 1.95WHIP

Mike Pelfrey- 38.1IP, 18K, 6.57ERA, 1.77WHIP

Pedro Hernandez- 28.0IP, 15K, 5.79ERA, 1.57WHIP

 

First thing I should note is none of these pitchers belong even close to a 1 or 2 spot on a roto. If Diamond pitches like he did last year hes an ok number 3. So far he has been ok but will end with the best ERA and WHIP on the team probably by a good amount. Correia has been the best so far but dont expect that to keep up for too long, his track record shows he sits between 5.00 and 4.50 ERA. Pelfrey has been pretty bad so far too but I think he will get a little better as the year goes on, but he shouldnt be any higher than a 5 maybe a 4. Worley and Hernandez dont belong in the MLB, they are both horrible. They throw meatballs every pitch it seems like. In all theres not much to say about our roto, its full of guys that struggle to reach 90MPH and have very little movement on any of their pitches. They show no comand and control. Diamond and Corriea are the only 2 that should be on a MLB roto that expects to actualy win games, and they would be 4 and 5 guys. We have the least amount of Ks for a starting roto in the league and the next closest has double ours. Its sad when your closer has 1 less K than your top starter....

 

I know pelfrey, Hernandez and Worley wont be here long but I cant stand them. The Twins finaly decided to get some pitchers that can throw hard and get Ks when they got Gibson, Meyer, May and Berrios. I cant wait til they start trickling in so we can look forward to watching our pitchers. Hopefully we draft Manaea or Stewart in this years draft, then we will have a really good group of starting pitching prospects that throw hard and get Ks. I dont understand how it took so long for the Twins to realize that the more Ks the roto gets the less times the ball is in play.

[70charger]

You have 60 posts right now. I'd hazard a guess that at least 40 of them are exactly this. We get that you don't the like "roto." We get that you want people to throw faster than 90 miles an hour. We get it!

[cmathewson]

I am.

 

I don't get Pelfrey. He makes good pitches. And then he throws a cookie, which gets crushed. He just doesn't execute his pitches consistently.

 

Worely is not the pitcher he was before the injury. He's Nick Blackburn II.

 

Hernandez is meh.

 

Diamond and Correia would ideally be 4 and 5. I can't wait to see some fresh arms up here.

[Guest USAFChief]

I say we make this thread productive, and change it to an avatar thread, like a game thread. I'll start:

 

Jimi Hendrix...most overrated singer and songwriter of the rock n roll era? Skilled guitar player, horrible musician. Almost unlistenable.

[jokin]

I say we make this thread productive, and change it to an avatar thread, like a game thread. I'll start:

 

Jimi Hendrix...most overrated singer and songwriter of the rock n roll era? Skilled guitar player, horrible musician. Almost unlistenable.

 

Who ever had Hendrix as a highly rated singer or songwriter? Hendrix himself admitted that he had a horrible voice and was very uncomfortable singing other people's works.

 

And he was much more than just a "skilled guitar player," while his "musicianship" ranks in a category of its own, breaking uncharted ground with the guitar, most virtuoso guitar players acknowledge his legendary status and some wonder to this day how he did some of the things he did with the instrument.

 

And he was a paratrooper.

[jokin]

You have 60 posts right now. I'd hazard a guess that at least 40 of them are exactly this. We get that you don't the like "roto." We get that you want people to throw faster than 90 miles an hour. We get it!

 

Hey, nothing wrong with the kid being a "roto rooter". I too, eagerly anticipate the day that.... "away go (our) troubles, down the drain."

[freshinthehouse]

Get reeeeeeaaaaddddyyyyyyyyy!

[Brock Beauchamp]

Oh, brother.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Am I missing an inside joke, or someone trying to get banned?

[Milkman]

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[Brock Beauchamp]

Brodin has been banned for three days. If you're reading this, do NOT try to create another account or all accounts will be banned permanently.

[Brad Swanson]

I was pretty tired of roto too, but we subbed Wins out for K/BB ratio and batting average out for OBP and that helped a lot.

[ThePuck]

was sick of it before the season started....

 

Edit: I must have missed something...why did he get banned?

[snepp]

was sick of it before the season started....

 

Edit: I must have missed something...why did he get banned?

 

Do you see those two post deleted by Brock? That "line" we talked about, they were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over it.

 

 

A 3-day ban was beyond generous given their content.

[clutterheart]

was sick of it before the season started....

 

Edit: I must have missed something...why did he get banned?

 

I think because he used bigoted anti-gay slurs. Hopefully he looks at himself in the mirror and decides to change his mindset.

 

But I agree with his post.

 

You know the rotation is looking bad when you are looking for De Vries to get activated so he can stabalize this rotation.

 

I like Diamond. But I think as the season goes on there is going to be some big struggles.

 

Its really too bad. The offense has been decent and the bullpen has been decent. This team has some quality players...

[ThePuck]

Do you see those two post deleted by Brock? That "line" we talked about, they were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over it.

 

 

A 3-day ban was beyond generous given their content.

 

Don't see any deleted posts on this thread...I see posts #1-#14...but I'll take your word for it :-)

[snepp]

Don't see any deleted posts on this thread...I see posts #1-#14...but I'll take your word for it :-)

 

I see, I thought that the "deleted post" message was viewable by everybody. They were originally replies #7 and 8.

[Old Twins Cap]

Whoever scouted the White Sox and told the Twins staff to pitch Adam Dunn outside, that person's job should be on the line.

[stringer bell]

The "roto" is teetering on awful right now. Expectations would be for Worley to improve, Corriea to regress, Diamond to be somewhat similar to his performance last year after the All-Star break. I would figure that the other two spots will turn over. In the wings are De Vries, Deduno, Gibson and maybe Walters. I would assume that all will get their chances later this summer. This season is about guys establishing themselves and so far the only positive in the rotation has been Correia.

[Twins Twerp]

When did rotation turn into "roto?" Is it a rotOtion? Can we call it a "rotay" instead? I know it is the internet but we are still Twin fans. I would expect this from illiterate yankee fans...but not twinkie fans. Don't even get me started on rbi('s)

[drjim]

At the risk of continuing the thread, I just want to add that it would be nice if Gibson would step up and took hold of one the spots in the rotation. That would help.

[Fatt Crapps]

 

Jimi Hendrix...most overrated singer and songwriter of the rock n roll era? Skilled guitar player, horrible musician. Almost unlistenable.

 

Jokin nailed it, who claims he's a great singer/songwriter? While he's not my favorite guitar player in the world, any musician who saw him play live says he was a one of a kind.

 

[video=youtube;f-OA073rLCk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OA073rLCk

[70charger]

This may be entirely my fault. I must learn to exercise restraint. I will do better in the future.

 

Mea culpa.

[jokin]

The "roto" is teetering on awful right now. Expectations would be for Worley to improve, Corriea to regress, Diamond to be somewhat similar to his performance last year after the All-Star break. I would figure that the other two spots will turn over. In the wings are De Vries, Deduno, Gibson and maybe Walters. I would assume that all will get their chances later this summer. This season is about guys establishing themselves and so far the only positive in the rotation has been Correia.

 

OK, good points all around (Worley certainly can't pitch any worse), but which Correia are you referring to? The May edition of Correia is sporting a 5.71 ERA in 3 starts, kind-of already acting out the regression thing you mentioned we should be coming to expect in the near future. It appears the future is now.

[jokin]

May ERA numbers for 2 selected Twins starters after 3 starts:

 

Our rehabbing TJ pitcher sports a 5.06

 

Our fully healthy "pleasant surprise", better than his numbers, new ACE? 5.71

 

Twins SP ERA 2013: 5.30 (2nd Worst)

 

Twins SP ERA 2012: 5.40 (2nd Worst)

[silverslugger]

Once again, the laws of economics rule. You get what you pay for. Period. End of story.

 

Thank you Pohlads and Terry Ryan

[Badsmerf]

At the risk of continuing the thread, I just want to add that it would be nice if Gibson would step up and took hold of one the spots in the rotation. That would help.

Gibson is inconsistent right now. He is probably better than Pedro, so sending Pedro to the pen where he belongs isn't going to hurt my feelings. Other than that he is not ready. Right now he needs to earn a call-up and I adamantly feel he has not done that. The only reason to bring him up is for the fans right now. Its one thing for a prospect to learn to pitch in the MLB, its another if he is facing physical limitations while doing so. Let him get consistency first.

[drjim]

Gibson is inconsistent right now. He is probably better than Pedro, so sending Pedro to the pen where he belongs isn't going to hurt my feelings. Other than that he is not ready. Right now he needs to earn a call-up and I adamantly feel he has not done that. The only reason to bring him up is for the fans right now. Its one thing for a prospect to learn to pitch in the MLB, its another if he is facing physical limitations while doing so. Let him get consistency first.

 

Oh I agree with this. I thought he had turned a corner. But alas.

[stringer bell]

Gibson's peripherals look much better than his standard stats. I wonder if a bad minor league infield hurts him more than it hurts most. He continues to get a good number of ground balls and is striking out a fair number--I'm almost sure he would get the more strikeouts per IP than any of the current starters--so I suspect he would do better in Minnesota than those basic numbers suggest.

[Nick Nelson]

Gibson is inconsistent right now. He is probably better than Pedro, so sending Pedro to the pen where he belongs isn't going to hurt my feelings. Other than that he is not ready. Right now he needs to earn a call-up and I adamantly feel he has not done that. The only reason to bring him up is for the fans right now. Its one thing for a prospect to learn to pitch in the MLB, its another if he is facing physical limitations while doing so. Let him get consistency first.

 

Disagree. Gibson has "earned" the call-up by being more talented than the majority of the current rotation. I'm not so concerned about his lack of consistency considering that so many pitchers in the Twins' rotation have been consistently terrible. Get Gibson up, let him take his lumps and pitch up to his innings cap, hope that he learns enough to be ready for 2014.

 

Even if it's not Gibson, the team's unwillingness to take any action on the rotation is getting really frustrating. They rank 29th out of 30 teams in SP ERA and while I can somewhat understand waiting a bit on Worley to see if his luck changes, Hernandez is blatantly not an MLB starting pitcher and Pelfrey has got nothing right now. For all the talk about pitchers needing to "earn" things, I'm having trouble seeing what Pelf has done to earn such a long leash other than signing a $4M contract.