Article: Samuel Deduno showing progress in World Baseball Classic

[Badsmerf]

[kab21]

Wow. It happened.

 

I'm tired of Correia bashing! I no longer have it in me to rip on the guy!

 

It was a bad signing. He's a Twin now. It's time to just knuckle down and hope for the best.

 

I'm just as sick of the Deduno/Devries is just as good as him. These guys shouldn't be considered plan A or plan B in an MLB rotation. Plan C for a few starts is about all that I'm okay with.

[ThePuck]

 

I agree wholeheartedly

[Riverbrian]

If Correia's ERA+ keeps trending at +10 per year, he'll be above average in that 2nd year!

 

I know... And by the time he's 36... We are talking 138 adjusted ERA bay-bee.

 

Woo hoo... The trend is your friend.

[johnnydakota]

Thank you, that was exactly what I was trying to say. I am not saying who is going to turn into another RA Dickey but I would rather have him on the club than Kevin Correia for $5M a year.

 

Agreed, if he is not our starter to begin the seaon then i hope he is the long reliever as i expet no less then 2 pitchers being hurt nd out for the season and at least another not having the stuff to keep his spot...isnt Samuel a 3 year player? if he is he should have an opt out contract that is required for all mlb players with 3 year srvice time .o me if you keep Drew on the 40 man and let Samuel walk then your seeing the intelegence level of the powers that be.

[Mr. Brooks]

What likely happened is TR offered three or four guys the same or similar deals and told their agents the first guy who signs gets a deal, after which the other offers are null and void. After he made the offers, he said "we're going to sign a pretty darn good pitcher." He was confident one of the three or four would sign, and Correia did.

 

None of those 14 guys are as good as Corriea, at least on a scouting basis. Maybe a few are by the numbers, but you don't pay for past numbers. You pay for future performance. Will Jason Marquis pitch better than Correia this year? After last year, I doubt any Twins scout would say that. Livan? Been there, done that. Go down the list and you have similar stories for each one.

 

You can say you're smarter than the Twins scouts. I personally will not say that. I defer to the professionals. Anyway, it's not that outlandish to say he will have a better year than those 14 suspects. To claim definitively that any one of them will have a better year is even more arrogant than saying you're smarter than Twins scouts. Besides, put it in context. What's a few million or an extra year when we're already $20 million under budget?

 

What does that mean, "on a scouting basis"? How much can "scouting" determine when talking about a guy with 1000 career innings over a decade? At this point he is who he is.

 

And we didn't need to identify which one of those guys would be "the best". They are all going to be right around the same, give or take a little bit. We are not contending this year, the extra 1.5 to 2 wins that will separate #1 from #14 (and no, I dont mean W/L record) are completely meaningless to a 90 loss team. All we needed to do was get one of those guys, to have one more option to pitch some innings until some of the younger guys are ready. Any one of them would do just as well as any other one of them.

Get whichever one you can get on a 1 year deal, and call it a day.

Giving one of them a second year was completely pointless.

[Mr. Brooks]

The money is a sunk cost.......the delta in ptiching May or Meyer, and sending down Correia is $500K. If they feel obligated to keep him up because they are paying him, they should be fired. This concept has been understood and taught in business school since the 80s.....

 

I'm not arguing that it is a logical thought process. Just that it's the reality. Teams dont cut veterans with years remaining on their contract, it just rarely ever happens, no matter how terrible they are playing.

[PseudoSABR]

I'm not arguing that it is a logical thought process. Just that it's the reality. Teams dont cut veterans with years remaining on their contract, it just rarely ever happens, no matter how terrible they are playing.

Nick Blackburn and Jason Marquis say hello.

[twinsnorth49]

I'm with ya

 

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[twinsnorth49]

Back to Deduno, 7 K's in 4 innings is the most interesting thing any Twin pitcher has done this spring.....by far.

 

Against a real lineup no less.

[Riverbrian]

Back to Deduno, 7 K's in 4 innings is the most interesting thing any Twin pitcher has done this spring.....by far.

 

Against a real lineup no less.

 

I just like watching him pitch... Pure baseball entertainment. It's like watching Evil Knievel jump over buses. On the edge and every once in awhile he bounces off the last bus.

 

He was one pitch from getting yanked in the 1st inning. The Bullpen was going and he was sitting 3-0 with the bases loaded against Adam Jones before coming back and getting the K on a beautiful spinner.

 

Baseball beauty at it's finest... Watching him struggle against Bloomquist who was just trying to bunt and I'm saying to myself... Just lay it in there... take the out... You can't walk a guy who is trying to bunt and he almost did.

 

Each time he walked off the mound... Arms pumped in the air following the K. Crisis avoided. How can you not love this game? I wish I would see that kind of emotion during the regular season.

 

I really hope that Deduno gets a good look when he gets back to Twins Camp. You are right... That and Hicks hitting 3 dingers is the spring training story thus far.

[CDog]

Each time he walked off the mound... Arms pumped in the air following the K. Crisis avoided. How can you not love this game? I wish I would see that kind of emotion during the regular season.

 

I think I remember Deduno leaving the field exactly the same way several times last year.

 

I asked this in the thread about the game, but that seems to be left for dead while this one may still be a little more active. Anyone who watched feel like giving a brief recap of the Deduno vs. Mauer plate appearances?

[Mike Sixel]

I'd rather watch a random guy pitch, than a predictably bad guy pitch. I'd rather have a guy give me one great game, on ok game, and two bad games, than a guy give me 4 below average to bad game. At least with the first guy, you win 1 game, maybe three.....I don't get how predictability is a good thing, if the prediction is a 5+ERA....

[Riverbrian]

I think I remember Deduno leaving the field exactly the same way several times last year.

 

I asked this in the thread about the game, but that seems to be left for dead while this one may still be a little more active. Anyone who watched feel like giving a brief recap of the Deduno vs. Mauer plate appearances?

 

Cdog... From Memory... It seemed like typical Mauer at the plate...

 

1st inning... Deduno just got the 2nd out of the inning by ringing up Ryan Braun... A runner was on when Joe stepped up and he ripped a single the opposite way to left. Deduno was looking pretty good until Joe singled... The Wheels then started to fall off a little... He walked Stanton fairly quickly and he didn't really look like he could find the zone and the bullpen got up and the Manager came out for a visit. He followed that with 3 bad pitches in a row to Adam Jones and you could see him blowing air out of his cheeks and he came back with 3 straight strikes to ring up Adam Jones.

 

In the Third? I think it was the third... He was working Joe inside and Joe grounded out to 1B. Deduno had settled down by this point and was looking like he belonged out there.

[fairweather]

Deduno is far more compelling than Correia and Pelfrey. The Twins really sold the fans, the veteran players and Gardy down the stinking river with this rubbish.

[Mr. Brooks]

Nick Blackburn and Jason Marquis say hello.

 

Jason Marquis was a one year deal, and Nick Blackburn would still be in competition for a spot in the rotation if he was healthy.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Unlike Corriea or Pelfrey, Deduno has potential upside to be something other than a 5 starter. I agree he's a project, but he could also turn into a pretty decent pitcher, even at 28. What I like about what he did, is that he surrendered 2 walks to a very patient team USA lineup. That will likely be the toughest lineup he faces all year long, and he went 4 innings, struck out 7, and only walked 2. Personally, I think he deserves a spot in the rotation, at the very least, he's more deserving of a spot on the 40 man than some of the other crap on it. This season is lost. Figuring out if a guy like Denduno can be an above average fill at a position of extreme need in this org for the forseable future is well worth it.