What has gone wrong with TD admins?

[AZTwin]

They constantly bash Twins players and prospects. They try to get unfair trades sent to other teams. If you post anything against their agenda or it was pro-Twins, it is immediately deleted.

 

Case in point, I had a message in the Sandy Alcantantraz trade thread that read as follows:

 

“Let’s be realistic here. He is worth mid prospects at best. Not top 10 players in the deepest farm systems in the majors”

 

When I asked why this post was deleted I am greeted by a contentious post from RiverBrain saying I broke the rules and then he LIED and said he messages me!! I never received a message for why that message was deleted. A total sham! Luckily one admin was nice enough to message me after his contentious posts and lead me here.

 

Why do the admins have an agenda for anti Twins content? I want to know which admin deleted the post referenced above and the reasoning. It is becoming a running joke

[Squirrel]

Do you have your notifications set so that when you receive a warning, you are notified? Because you were given a warning for about half a dozen posts that were disrespectful to the author of the article as well as other posters, and with that warning came the explanation that Brian gave you. He did not lie. And if you don’t like the site, why bother with it? Calling another poster unrealistic in the manner you did, offering no content of your own to rebut the post is antagonistic and disrespectful, but that was just one of I think 4 or 5 posts that were removed from that thread. On top of this, you were sent PM’s by both nicksaviking and myself previously about being disrespectful toward contributing writings and other posters. But, I will give you this much credit ... you did right by logging your complaints here. If you can’t find the warning point with the explanation in your notifications (it’s the icon to the right of the envelope in the black bar at the top of the site.) If you are on your phone, click the black and gray grid, notifications are smack dead center. Click on that bell, it should bring up the warning your just received with Brian’s explanation. If you still can’t see it, PM one of the moderators directly for Brian’s explanation.

[AZTwin]

Do you have your notifications set so that when you receive a warning, you are notified? Because you were given a warning for about half a dozen posts that were disrespectful to the author of the article as well as other posters, and with that warning came the explanation that Brian gave you. He did not lie. And if you don’t like the site, why bother with it? Calling another poster unrealistic in the manner you did, offering no content of your own to rebut the post is antagonistic and disrespectful, but that was just one of I think 4 or 5 posts that were removed from that thread. On top of this, you were sent PM’s by both nicksaviking and myself previously about being disrespectful toward contributing writings and other posters. But, I will give you this much credit ... you did right by logging your complaints here. If you can’t find the warning point with the explanation in your notifications (it’s the icon to the right of the envelope in the black bar at the top of the site.) If you are on your phone, click the black and gray grid, notifications are smack dead center. Click on that bell, it should bring up the warning your just received with Brian’s explanation. If you still can’t see it, PM one of the moderators directly for Brian’s explanation.

He did lie. I didn’t get any notification or messages until I started asking questions this morning

[AZTwin]

You are referring to being sent messages a month or two ago from you and nick regarding my opinion on the treatment of Eddie Rosario. Completely different incident from Sandy Alcantara. And judging by other threads other posters are getting the same impression on the anti Twins agenda

[AZTwin]

Just checked again and the only warning I have from river Brian is from 2016 when I told people that De Leon was not that good and that we should get more prospects for dozier such as De Leon and Kiebert Ruiz and possibly Gavin Lux. The reason why I was told of getting the warning was because I told a dodger fan to “kindly leave” if they weren’t interested in Dozier. But the agenda at the time was to get rid of dozier for anything no matter how bad the player was. Ultimately I was right in my assessment with De Leon and we got better talent in Smeltzer and raley. There was nothing disrespectful with the posts but now I am getting threats from admins in pm that because of this history that I might get banned from the site completely. Just is radical!

[Squirrel]

The site sends the poster a notification when a poster receives a warning, which you did for the several posts that were removed from that thread. It shows up in your notifications box, not your PM’s. And if you click on that notification, it should take you to the explanation. If you didn’t receive a notification, I will have to check with Brock why, because you should have. It should be automatic. But if you want to see Brian’s explanation, click on the warning points under your avatar, then click on the explanations. And I will talk to Brock about why you didn’t see it. All the moderators receive a notification when anyone gets a warning, so I saw it as Brian issued it, prior to his statement to you in Patrick’s thread. So he didn’t lie about it. Warning points and their explanations don’t come via PM. Brian PM’d you later, yes, after you said you didn’t receive any communication from him. Again, I don’t know why you didn’t see the notification, but he didn’t lie about it.

 

As to your other issues, which I’ll sum up as site content complaints, that’s beyond my scope and responsibilities here. That would need to come from an owner. But I will say in general, if you don’t like a topic of discussion, don’t read it. There is so much content here that spans the gamut, I would think you could find some threads that appeal to you. This site is not designed to be pro or anti Twins ... it’s designed to generate discussion on people’s opinions. Some do know a lot more than others, and some, like me, just like to keep up with the current goings on. Some will be critical, some overly, and some the complete opposite ... and all of that provokes thought and discussion, that’s how sites like this work, that’s how we exist ... disagreement of ideas and thoughts. I have nothing else but that.

[AZTwin]

I did not receive any notifications. I can send you a screenshot if you’d like. Not sure how to post a screenshot on here though. I do have the prior notifications from you and Nick though. Makes me think...

[AZTwin]

From my end my posts were mysteriously deleted. And one has since been restored because even the admins admit that it should have never been deleted. I don’t like to be personally attacked and then say I’m the one out of bounds. Customer responses occur the way they do when employees are out of bounds which was the issue here

[AZTwin]

So what do warning points do? Next time I post something pro Twins I am banned?

[Squirrel]

I did not receive any notifications. I can send you a screenshot if you’d like. Not sure how to post a screenshot on here though. I do have the prior notifications from you and Nick though. Makes me think...

What you received from me and nick were PM’s. A notification is different. And as I said, I don’t know why you didn’t receive one, as it should be automatic with the site whenever a warning is issued. I can’t respond to what might be amiss technically with the site at this time, because I have to look into it with Brock.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Being right isn’t the point. There is no “winning” when we aren’t respectful of each other.

 

Lets try flipping the discussion around:

Why was my post moderated?

Why didn’t I get communication directly?

 

We can discuss these things without feeling defensive and help resolve an issue of missed communication or improperly set notifications.

 

Now go back to the OP. How does calling a moderator a liar foster an open and honest discussion about why a post was moderated?

 

How do you personally respond when you are feeling attacked? Do you get defensive? Put up your guards? Fight back?

 

How does that further the discussion? How is that going to be addressed? It’s not.

 

We win with respect. We further the debate with respect.

[AZTwin]

Was Nick given warning points for his response attacking customers for disagreeing? Or will JHam be warned for calling it out? Can’t ever disagree with a writer? It is widely seen on this site that’s its become a club for just the writers and admins. Actual customers are chastised and can’t have an opinion with positive reflection on the Twins or Twins players

[Squirrel]

So what do warning points do? Next time I post something pro Twins I am banned?

Warning points and how they work are covered in the comments policy. And no, you will not be banned for posting something that is pro-Twins. You will, however, be given a warning point for being disrespectful, or complaining about things in a baseball discussion thread, which is off topic and thread jacking.

 

And I’m sorry, but I cannot continue this right now. I’m visiting my 90-yr-old Mom in Florida and we’re heading out for the afternoon.

[Riverbrian]

 

From my end my posts were mysteriously deleted. And one has since been restored because even the admins admit that it should have never been deleted. I don’t like to be personally attacked and then say I’m the one out of bounds. Customer responses occur the way they do when employees are out of bounds which was the issue here

 

"even the Admins admit that it should have never been deleted". 

 

The admins didn't admit this. The administrators have asked the moderators to make these determinations. The moderators work both independently and together to execute the wishes of the administrators. The wishes of the administrators is that the forums are "respectful" and these wishes are expressed in the "Posting Policy".     

 

I am the one who hid your posts, I made the decision without consultation with the other moderators. I have since consulted with the other moderators on my decision. It was I who went back and reviewed it and decided that the 2nd post was OK and then proceeded to unhide that post while leaving the others hid. I made that decision independently as well, I was not instructed to by the administrators nor was it suggested that I do so by my fellow moderators. I have let the other moderators know that I have unhid that post.  

 

The Moderators will discuss it further privately if it merits further discussion. I stand by my decisions based on a what I believe to be a clear violation of posting policy. 

 

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

Let's also back up for a sec and emphasize that moderators and owners and writers are all different groups with different tasks. 

[Riverbrian]

 

So what do warning points do? Next time I post something pro Twins I am banned?

 

It has nothing to do with disagreement. It has everything to do with respect. 

 

State your disagreement without minimizing those you disagree with.  

[AZTwin]

It has nothing to do with disagreement. It has everything to do with respect.

 

State your disagreement without minimizing those you disagree with.

I wasn’t part of the conversation but willNick be given warning points too or are writers given free pass?

[Riverbrian]

 

I wasn’t part of the conversation but willNick be given warning points too or are writers given free pass?

 

The moderators are discussing the thread you are referencing. 

 

That thread is great example of what happens when posters stop discussing the topic and start discussing other posters and why the policy is in place. 

[AZTwin]

 

The moderators are discussing the thread you are referencing. 

 

That thread is great example of what happens when posters stop discussing the topic and start discussing other posters and why the policy is in place. 

Just because you are limiting the speech of it doesn't mean customers aren't thinking it.  That thread is a perfect example of customers feeling threatened by those on this site.

[Riverbrian]

 

Just because you are limiting the speech of it doesn't mean customers aren't thinking it.  That thread is a perfect example of customers feeling threatened by those on this site.

 

We can't control what "customers" think. There are majority and minority opinions on every single topic approached. I can't think of one topic in the 100 years I've been here that had everyone agree.

 

We simply ask that all opinions are addressed respectfully, it's really that simple and from that simple request the lines get real blurry.

 

Moderators have to make decisions on what to let stand and what to moderate and these decisions happen daily and we don't always get it right but it's a hard job. Each moderator has different interpretations of that simple request but all understand that RESPECT in response to differing opinions is the core of what we are trying to accomplish.

 

Once posters cross that line from discussing the topic to labeling the poster or attacking the idea disrespectfully, the thread crashes and this crash happens pretty close to 100% of the time once the respect line is crossed. So, we try to prevent it with the posting guideline policies... which are posted and this is the basis of our moderation actions. 

 

You may not care for our moderation but you need to consider that un-moderated sites have a shelf life of about 10 seconds because the community consists of about 5 people who seem to enjoy tearing people apart. 

 

There is no agenda here. 3 separate topics on Eddie Rosario in a short period of time was not orchestrated, it was the opinion of three unique writers who posted those opinions independent of each other. Nobody is sitting in a chair on the top floor of the IDS tower, saying OK... "You hit Rosario this week, You hit him the following week and you hit Rosario the week after that.

 

The administrators don't always agree with each other and the moderators don't always agree with each other but all of us understand that the task of moderation is extremely difficult, especially with the blurry lines combined with human decency on the internet declining to the point where many think it's OK to be horrible to others without consequence.   

 

If you feel or others feel threatened, I don't know how to respond to that.The environment that we are all trying to foster is the exact opposite of threatening.

 

Be respectful. You'll find some smooth sailing if you are. If you don't understand what I'm saying in this post or if you think that I'm making excuses, lying or playing games with you... then perhaps, this site isn't for you. 

 

This post is about as sincere as I can possibly be. If you disagree with the overall policies and posting guidelines, I'm pretty sure it isn't going to change so either get used to it or... perhaps... this site isn't for you.

 

Post respectfully. Discuss the topic, not the poster. 

[AZTwin]

Well will you give Nick a warning or are writers and admins allowed to be disrespectful to customers? And yes we are customers, most of us have purchased the books. I don’t like that snide comment from you putting “customers” in quotes.

[ashbury]

Well will you give Nick a warning or are writers and admins allowed to be disrespectful to customers? And yes we are customers, most of us have purchased the books. I don’t like that snide comment from you putting “customers” in quotes.

I know Brian, he's not being snide.

 

As someone with a customer service background myself, both from my dad in retail and in my own career in software (tech support, later product marketing), I have a strong orientation toward customers. It's certainly helpful to regard the people at this site that way.

 

Still, at TD we usually refer to folks as "members". Or as "posters". TD is somewhat analogous to a newspaper, and those businesses refer to their customers as "readers". Television refers to their customers as "viewers", radio refers to them as "listeners".

 

Brian used quotation marks to indicate he was using the term you introduced. Nothing more, IMO.

[Mike Sixel]

Moderators are very nice volunteers who work to keep the site civil and polite. Most of the time they've reached out to me, I could reflect back from their view, and realize I was not being as respectful of other posters as the site tries to help us all be. Without volunteer moderators, there would be no site at all. Let alone one so polite compare to other sports' sites I have visited.

[MMMordabito]

 

Moderators are very nice volunteers who work to keep the site civil and polite. Most of the time they've reached out to me, I could reflect back from their view, and realize I was not being as respectful of other posters as the site tries to help us all be. Without volunteer moderators, there would be no site at all. Let alone one so polite compare to other sports' sites I have visited.

 

But SOME of them are still hypocrites.  Humorously suggesting that trading Nelson Cruz would be a horrible idea is disrespectful, yet dehumanizing people by scoring points from their deaths is all fun and games.  I agree with AZTwin.  There is an agenda.  Something like "Heil Traffic".

[ashbury]

There is an agenda. 

You'll have to come to one of our super secret midnight meetings, and explain this agenda to us. Because I for one am in the dark.

 

Read the site's Comment Policy for the umpteenth time, if you wish to know the agenda.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

But SOME of them are still hypocrites. Humorously suggesting that trading Nelson Cruz would be a horrible idea is disrespectful, yet dehumanizing people by scoring points from their deaths is all fun and games. I agree with AZTwin. There is an agenda. Something like "Heil Traffic".

this is like 4-5 posts

 

1) But SOME of them are still hypocrites.

 

-yup, sure am, we all can be. Does the nature of the hypocrisy violate the comment policy?

 

2) Humorously suggesting that trading Nelson Cruz would be a horrible idea is disrespectful, yet dehumanizing people by scoring points from their deaths is all fun and games.

 

- these are not comparable. Humorously suggesting trading Nelson Cruz can be perfectly in bounds, it all depends on how you do it.

 

The Celebrity Death Pool also depends on how you do it. The thread itself isn’t against the comment policy.

 

3) I agree with AZTwin.

- good post, you can agree or disagree with whomever, it’s how you post that determines if there’s an issue.

 

4) There is an agenda.

- From the mods? Absolutely there is an agenda! We post it openly and refer posters to it frequently.

 

- Respect for others is expected in everything we write, and personal attacks are not allowed.

- Do not be disruptive through trolling, flame-baiting, and thread-jacking.

- A minimal level of grammar and spell-checking is required.

- Avoid inappropriate language.

- Do not copy entire stories from elsewhere on the internet.

- Commercial spam will be deleted on sight and the poster will be banned.

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/8228-twins-daily-comment-policy/

[MMMordabito]

 

2) Humorously suggesting that trading Nelson Cruz would be a horrible idea is disrespectful, yet dehumanizing people by scoring points from their deaths is all fun and games.

- these are not comparable. Humorously suggesting trading Nelson Cruz can be perfectly in bounds, it all depends on how you do it.

The Celebrity Death Pool also depends on how you do it. The thread itself isn’t against the comment policy.

 

 

Just to clarify ... I suggested that trading Nelson Cruz was a horrible idea by linking an Office Space clip. The OP was not humorously suggesting trading Nelson Cruz.  The OP was serious about considering it.

 

How is saying that that idea is horrible disrespectful? How is it a personal attack?  How is it trolling? How is it flame-baiting?

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Just to clarify ... I suggested that trading Nelson Cruz was a horrible idea by linking an Office Space clip. The OP was not humorously suggesting trading Nelson Cruz. The OP was serious about considering it.

 

How is saying that that idea is horrible disrespectful? How is it a personal attack? How is it trolling? How is it flame-baiting?

I didn’t perform the moderation and didn’t see the post and wouldn’t have the context.

 

We frequently send a PM with a moderation action giving you the reason. Did you get one?

[MMMordabito]

 

I didn’t perform the moderation and didn’t see the post and wouldn’t have the context.

We frequently send a PM with a moderation action giving you the reason. Did you get one?

 

Yes, and I was chided as being disrespectful and chiding.  I could understand if I had said or linked something that actually attacked the poster. Linking something that calls a horrible idea what it is doesn't seem out of line.

 

The thread is still out there about signing Grandal and trading Cruz sans my link.

 

 

[Squirrel]

 

Yes, and I was chided as being disrespectful and chiding.  I could understand if I had said or linked something that actually attacked the poster. Linking something that calls a horrible idea what it is doesn't seem out of line.

 

The thread is still out there about signing Grandal and trading Cruz sans my link.

You had already made this post:

 

'I'm starting to think the OP had his Eggos stolen by Nelson Cruz.Wax off, are you Logan Morrison?'

 

Which was humorously chiding the OP. And it stands. Then you followed it up with the video clip. Providing no content of your own. Is that all you were going to do? It was enough. And you were PM'd about it. You received no warning point, but were told to, at the very least, provide some kind of context rather than just tell the OP 'That was horrible a idea.' It was suggested that you elaborate your response rather than just respond with chides to a new poster.

 

As for celebrity death pools, those have been in existence for years, all over the internet. Most of the posts in that thread address death respectfully and nostalgically. If you find it offensive, don't participate. Same with all the threads and articles on here, you don't like, you think ridiculous, stupid, horrible, whatever ... why make a post at all then? If you can't at least rebut the idea, as eye-rolling as you think it is, move on. If you noticed, everyone in that thread responding thinks it's a poor idea, yet managed to get their points across, sometimes even humorously, and yet still provide some kind of rationale for it.