Oldgoat_MN Verified Member Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 After having accumulated several top prospects this year it makes sense that the White Sox would have to open some room on their 40-man roster or potentially leave some players vulnerable to the Rule V draft.Trading 3 players from their 25-man roster helps give them room they are going to need.Smart move.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 On a positive note for us Twins fans, the Tigers look like they got a modest, at best, return for JD Martinez. I would be upset if I were a Tigers fan.
drjim Provisional Member Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 On a positive note for us Twins fans, the Tigers look like they got a modest, at best, return for JD Martinez. I would be upset if I were a Tigers fan.It's all trending positive for the Twins in the medium term. The Royals, Tigers and Whiteys will all be rebuilding for at least the next 2-3 years. Helps with the wild card too.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 On a positive note for us Twins fans, the Tigers look like they got a modest, at best, return for JD Martinez. I would be upset if I were a Tigers fan. I'm not sure how I'd feel. On the one hand, underwhelming return. On the other hand, they got something, rather than nothing, for an impending FA.
biggentleben Verified Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Carlos Correa out for a few months with a torn ligament in his thumb. Real bummer for the Astros. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/carlos-correa-out-six-to-eight-weeks-with-torn-thumb-ligament.html Dumb, dumb, dumb. Initially injured sliding head first into home in a 9-run game when he hit it against the catcher's guard at the plate.
biggentleben Verified Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 I don't think much of the Sox' haul, at all. They got a very solid haul. I'd have gone after different players, but the guys they got are highly regarded in the game.
biggentleben Verified Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 On a positive note for us Twins fans, the Tigers look like they got a modest, at best, return for JD Martinez. I would be upset if I were a Tigers fan. Terrible return is what I would say. Worst farm system in the league in Arizona, and they can't even get one of the two legit prospects in the system in the deal...
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Terrible return is what I would say. Worst farm system in the league in Arizona, and they can't even get one of the two legit prospects in the system in the deal...For two months of a corner out fielder, of which numerous are available?
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 It really goes to show how depleted the market is going to be for rental bats. Last year Carlos Beltran got a decent haul. This year, not so much. It's going to be the year of the pitcher for this trade deadline.
biggentleben Verified Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 For two months of a corner out fielder, of which numerous are available? Martinez was the clear top of the market. There's no reason that same deal isn't available July 31st. Hold out on him for the best deal available and see his value go up as lesser pieces go off the market.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Martinez was the clear top of the market. There's no reason that same deal isn't available July 31st. Hold out on him for the best deal available and see his value go up as lesser pieces go off the market.Would it? Maybe arizona wanted a guy now, and they would have traded for someone else. Also, he left the game after his hand was hit by a pitch. Could have happened as a tiger....
Han Joelo Verified Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Wasn't Rutherford a high school corner outfielder taken between picks 17 and 18 in 2016? Familiar sounding profile...
Monkeypaws Verified Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Is Miguel Cabrera about to become an albatross? Currently at .265, with 12 dingers and 45 rbis, .796 ops. 34 years old, 30 million per until 2023. Not very athletic, now a 1b dh. Thoughts?
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 Is Miguel Cabrera about to become an albatross? Currently at .265, with 12 dingers and 45 rbis, .796 ops. 34 years old, 30 million per until 2023. Not very athletic, now a 1b dh. Thoughts?The Tigers are in big trouble unless he has a David Ortiz-esc bounce back at DH. That's a near impossible contract to trade.
Willihammer Provisional Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 I don't think much of the Sox' haul, at all.As a Twins fan, every one of the Sox moves going back to the Sale trade delights me. I think this rebuild is going to put them, at best, back where they started.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 Kung-Fu Panda is heading back to his old stomping grounds in San Francisco. Maybe he'll reclaim some of that old magic from 3 years ago which made him a fan favorite there.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 As a Twins fan, every one of the Sox moves going back to the Sale trade delights me. I think this rebuild is going to put them, at best, back where they started. With about 100MM to spend on free agents if they want, maybe more.
USAFChief Twins Daily Contributor Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 I don't think much of the Sox' haul, at all.Trades like this are why the Yankees haven't had a loosing season since '95, and teams like the Twins can't put together a bullpen. A few shiny trinkets for Robertson/Kahnle. Highway robbery. Good luck to the Sox with those trinkets.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Trades like this are why the Yankees haven't had a loosing season since '95, and teams like the Twins can't put together a bullpen. A few shiny trinkets for Robertson/Kahnle. Highway robbery. Good luck to the Sox with those trinkets. Stupid Astros.
Willihammer Provisional Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 The more I think about this trade the more masterful it seems from the Yankees perspective 1. They addressed a short term problem (Greg Bird surgery) with a short term fix (Frazier).2. They addressed a long term need (the bullpen) by acquiring 5 years of cost controlled relief in Robertson and Kahnle.3. They took what was widely rumored to be the Red Sox top trade target off the market (Frazier).4. They offloaded an expensive underperforming veteran and freed a roster spot (Clippard).5. They paid a ~#40 prospect and stuff.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 The more I think about this trade the more masterful it seems from the Yankees perspective 1. They addressed a short term problem (Greg Bird surgery) with a short term fix (Frazier).2. They addressed a long term need (the bullpen) by acquiring 5 years of cost controlled relief in Robertson and Kahnle.3. They took what was widely rumored to be the Red Sox top trade target off the market (Frazier).4. They offloaded an expensive underperforming veteran and freed a roster spot (Clippard).5. They paid a ~#40 prospect and stuff. Concur. Also, after losing Pineda for the season, they changed their strategy by building a super team bullpen to make up for that loss. Fangraphs loves the acquisitions, where the Yankees now have the projected best WAR bullpen the rest of the season. The Twins have the 4th worst, just ahead of the Braves, Tigers, and White Sox.
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Trades like this are why the Yankees haven't had a loosing season since '95, and teams like the Twins can't put together a bullpen..No, the Yankees haven't had a losing season in 20+ years because they have incredible payroll advantages that no other team has (and PEDs, lots of PEDs).
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 He's out https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/g4lbbwttrucbhhzigeh0.gif
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2017 Author Posted July 21, 2017 He's out https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/g4lbbwttrucbhhzigeh0.gif Did that hit his bat, then his head?
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 btw, Ken Rosenthal is writing on FB now. A very good follow.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2017 Author Posted July 21, 2017 btw, Ken Rosenthal is writing on FB now. A very good follow. Very strange that Fox Sports.com moved to an all-video format and kicked him out. Not that I frequented Foxsports.com before to really care. Give me a quiet, video-free site to read articles.
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 How the hell is Rosenthal writing on facebook? I know he's still under contract with FOX but shouldn't someone have tried to get his talent to write for them?
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Did that hit his bat, then his head? Just the nob of the bat while he ducked.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 How the hell is Rosenthal writing on facebook? I know he's still under contract with FOX but shouldn't someone have tried to get his talent to write for them? it does seem hard to believe.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted July 24, 2017 Author Posted July 24, 2017 The Red Sox call up top prospect 3B Rafael Devers to fill the glaring hole left behind by Kung Fu Panda. He's a top 20 prospect in the game on every list, and has less than 40 PA's at AAA before getting the call.
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