An Upside Down World

[Craig Arko]

Family of Castile reaches $3M settlement.

 

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/26/castile-family-reaches-3m-settlement

[Squirrel]

 

It was always interesting to read the analysis of the Ferguson situation from the perspective of military. (They were not impressed). But as a general rule, it is true that military vets in good standing would make better police officers. If you are able to make it through deployments in good standing, you can handle pulling over a black man on a traffic stop and not feel overly threatened.

Part of the problem is pulling anyone over without cause, which was part of the problem in the Castile case, and is part of the problem in many of these highly publicized cases as well as in general. Yes, there are those, black or white, who are pulled over justly, but part of the problem begins when black men are wrongly profiled and are pulled over with far more 'due diligence' than is right. This whole thing could have been avoided if he wasn't pulled over to begin with. It's a huge problem and leads to tragedy when coupled with an officer not sound to deal with any situation objectively.

[Bark's Lounge]

 

Family of Castile reaches $3M settlement.

 

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/26/castile-family-reaches-3m-settlement

$3M for something priceless. Sad.

[Craig Arko]

 

$3M for something priceless. Sad.

Yup.

[Willihammer]

 

Part of the problem is pulling anyone over without cause, which was part of the problem in the Castile case, and is part of the problem in many of these highly publicized cases as well as in general. Yes, there are those, black or white, who are pulled over justly, but part of the problem begins when black men are wrongly profiled and are pulled over with far more 'due diligence' than is right. This whole thing could have been avoided if he wasn't pulled over to begin with. It's a huge problem and leads to tragedy when coupled with an officer not sound to deal with any situation objectively.

Castille was ostensibly pulled over for the broken taillight, but the real reason was Yanez was hunting for an arrest for an armed burglary that had occurred just a few blocks down Larpenteur. There are police recordings from the traffic stop confirming this.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Castille was ostensibly pulled over for the broken taillight, but the real reason was Yanez was hunting for an arrest for an armed burglary that had occurred just a few blocks down Larpenteur. There are police recordings from the traffic stop confirming this.

It should be noted that robbery occurred 4 days earlier. Not sure Castile was much of a suspect based on his proximity to the site anymore by that time.

[gunnarthor]

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-shot-killed-woman-identified/434975623/#1

 

 

[Mr. Brooks]

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-shot-killed-woman-identified/434975623/#1

I know we don't have all the information yet, but I'm struggling to come up with even one hypothetical scenario where this unarmed woman in pajamas could have been an imminent threat to officers still inside their squad car.

[Craig Arko]

I no longer consider calling 911 a safe option.

[mikecgrimes]

 

I know we don't have all the information yet, but I'm struggling to come up with even one hypothetical scenario where this unarmed woman in pajamas could have been an imminent threat to officers still inside their squad car.

 

We know nothing meaningful about this women at this point.  Maybe it was suicide by cop.  I'd be shocked too but it's entirely possible she grabbed for the drivers gun.  We know next to nothing.  At least the governor isn't race baiting this time.

[Mr. Brooks]

We know nothing meaningful about this women at this point. Maybe it was suicide by cop. I'd be shocked too but it's entirely possible she grabbed for the drivers gun. We know next to nothing. At least the governor isn't race baiting this time.

Would she have much chance of disarming a cop who is sitting in the driver's seat (so gun on opposite side of his body from her) while she is outside of the vehicle?

Doesn't seem plausible to me.

 

And in fact, the reports are that she was shot through the door. If she had been leaning far enough into the car to reach the cops gun, her torso would have been INSIDE the car, and could not have been shot THROUGH the door.

[mikecgrimes]

 

Would she have much chance of disarming a cop who is sitting in the driver's seat (so gun on opposite side of his body from her) while she is outside of the vehicle?
Doesn't seem plausible to me.

 

I don't disagree.  This is an odd one if it wasn't a true murder.  Why would you shoot across your partner.  Even if she was going nuts and wanted to die it would be odd for the cops to let that happen without a real threat.

[Willihammer]

Suicide by cop is a definite possibility. 

Just let the facts roll in. Too early to crucify anyone.

[Squirrel]

Suicide by cop is a definite possibility. 

Just let the facts roll in. Too early to crucify anyone.

It's never too soon to crucify anyone by the standards of today's culture, that's part of the problem. No reason, no patience, just indulge emotion first, ask questions later.

[gunnarthor]

 

We know nothing meaningful about this women at this point.  Maybe it was suicide by cop.  I'd be shocked too but it's entirely possible she grabbed for the drivers gun.  We know next to nothing.  At least the governor isn't race baiting this time.

The governor didn't race bait before. He correctly mentioned some hard racial truths. That's not the same thing.

[mikecgrimes]

 

The governor didn't race bait before. He correctly mentioned some hard racial truths. That's not the same thing.

 

And one day later 7 officers were murdered.  It doesn't matter if it might be true he race baited and got the results that you would be expected (see my post between Mark Daytons comments and the murders in Dallas).  If saying Republicans cause global warming resulted in people shooting republicans, it would be on you not to say those things no matter your opinion.  If saying 2 plus 2 is 4 resulted in people getting murdered it would be on you not to say 2 plus 2 is 4.

[Mike Sixel]

 

And one day later 7 officers were murdered.  It doesn't matter if it might be true he race baited and got the results that you would be expected (see my post between Mark Daytons comments and the murders in Dallas).  If saying Republicans cause global warming resulted in people shooting republicans, it would be on you not to say those things no matter your opinion.  If saying 2 plus 2 is 4 resulted in people getting murdered it would be on you not to say 2 plus 2 is 4.

 

you are saying people read Dayton's comments in TX, and then decided to kill people? That's your contention? 

 

you are denying that race and police relations are bad? That there might be some bias in their actions?

[mikecgrimes]

 

you are saying people read Dayton's comments in TX, and then decided to kill people?

 

Without question.  His comments were ignorant hateful and encouraging.  He wouldn't have lasted another week in office had he been a Republican.

[Squirrel]

 

Without question.  His comments were ignorant hateful and encouraging.  He wouldn't have lasted another week in office had he been a Republican.

So I can understand better your point of view, can you break it down for me? Dayton's words ... exactly which and how baited the situation in Texas?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Without question.  His comments were ignorant hateful and encouraging.  He wouldn't have lasted another week in office had he been a Republican.

 

Really? Which Republican (or Dem) has been removed from office for such words, exactly?

[kab21]

I nearly lost my mind after reading this far right piece on the latest police involved shooting. In any other (not a white victim and not a Muslim officer) incident they support the police 100% but now they demand justice. This is going around FB (via my family) and I am not fighting that battle right now.

 

http://silenceisconsent.net/first-somali-muslim-police-officer-minnesota-murders-blonde-girl-cold-blood-wont-believe-disgusting-reason/

 

This simply reinforces my stance that we need to find out WHAT THE HELL is going on with our police. And to restore confidence (I have none) in the police involved shooting/death reviews.

 

As of right now I haven't seen any liberal sites defending the officer. I certainly hope that is true because they shouldn't be. At least not until all of the facts are known.

[gunnarthor]

 

And one day later 7 officers were murdered.  It doesn't matter if it might be true he race baited and got the results that you would be expected (see my post between Mark Daytons comments and the murders in Dallas).  If saying Republicans cause global warming resulted in people shooting republicans, it would be on you not to say those things no matter your opinion.  If saying 2 plus 2 is 4 resulted in people getting murdered it would be on you not to say 2 plus 2 is 4.

Your analysis is greatly flawed but let's assume people killed cops because of what Mark Dayton said. Would that be race baiting? No. Because what Dayton said was still true. (As to those seven officers, I suspect the killing of unarmed black men across the country by cops was a far more important stimulus than a white governor's comments).

 

You seem to suggest that if someone says anything that would upset another person enough to cause a crime, a person is baiting for that crime to happen. Your example is that if anyone is willing to kill republicans over global warming, we can't talk about global warming.  That's absurd.  But what you're really saying is that you don't want to have people talk about issues that are uncomfortable. I would assume you would support a teacher teaching 2+2=4 even if some stupid idiot threatened teachers over common core.

[mikecgrimes]

 

Really? Which Republican (or Dem) has been removed from office for such words, exactly?

 

You know how the media works.  You know the same media that was all over this latest story until the race of the officer was revealed and now is hoping something new comes up so they can ignore this story?  Republicans have never said something that stupid in such a heated climate.  This morning the children of those officers woke up without a dad again, the blood is all over the left the media and the governors hands.  Give it a rest.

[Mike Sixel]

 

You know how the media works.  You know the same media that was all over this latest story until the race of the officer was revealed and now is hoping something new comes up so they can ignore this story?  Republicans have never said something that stupid in such a heated climate.  This morning the children of those officers woke up without a dad again, the blood is all over the left the media and the governors hands.  Give it a rest.

 

No, the blood is all over the hands of the murderers. You have exactly zero evidence to support your claims. None. So, no thanks, I won't give it a rest. 

[mikecgrimes]

 

 I would assume you would support a teacher teaching 2+2=4 even if some stupid idiot threatened teachers over common core.

 

First of all you bring up common core because you would rather play politics then have a serious discussion on how words in the wrong climate (for clarification nothing to do with global warming) can cause violent acts.  Certain things just don't get said no matter the reason.  Clearly nobody would ever kill over 2 plus 2 being said to be 4 the point is we can identify the kind of things that cause people to go nuts.  Jumping to tell the story that white officers are out to kill black men when on day one that story is already known not to be the case is a major problem.  These last two cases have not involved white officers, the local media has been OK reporting that but the national media ignored that fact and his since buried a story they intended to be all in on. 

[mikecgrimes]

 

 

No, the blood is all over the hands of the murderers. You have exactly zero evidence to support your claims. None. So, no thanks, I won't give it a rest. 

 

Cool, good to know that's how it works when it's the left that does it.  Is being consistent to much to ask?  As for the evidence or lack of it go ahead and listen the the narrative that morning leading up to Dayton's comments.  He inflamed a situation he could have calmed down.  I can't make you pay attention to actual facts that's your choice.

[gunnarthor]

 

First of all you bring up common core because you would rather play politics then have a serious discussion on how words in the wrong climate (for clarification nothing to do with global warming) can cause violent acts.  Certain things just don't get said no matter the reason.  Clearly nobody would ever kill over 2 plus 2 being said to be 4 the point is we can identify the kind of things that cause people to go nuts.  Jumping to tell the story that white officers are out to kill black men when on day one that story is already known not to be the case is a major problem.  These last two cases have not involved white officers, the local media has been OK reporting that but the national media ignored that fact and his since buried a story they intended to be all in on. 

You're the one that brought up 2+2, not me. 

 

People have correctly pointed out the failed logic in your argument several times. I assume you don't think President Trump should be found guilty for any crime when he urged his follower to beat up protesters?  I assume you don't think Sarah Palin's "cross hair map" had any impact on Giffords shooting.  I assume you don't believe GOP rhetoric on abortion led to any abortion doctors being shot. And I suspect you don't think certain "news outlets" should be shut down because they reported an incomprehensibly stupid story about a pizza shop being a front for child sex ring.

 

Dayton's comments on race and policing were true. They weren't made up. Police abuses against black men is a legitimate public problem. It makes people uncomfortable because we have to acknowledge that racism is still a big factor in our society.  

[Craig Arko]

Australians are predictably angry over this latest incident.

 

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/07/18/australians-see-shooting-as-us-nightmare

[kab21]

 

Australians are predictably angry over this latest incident.

 

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/07/18/australians-see-shooting-as-us-nightmare

This plays right into growing sentiment abroad that the US 'is a very dangerous place'. I have always disagreed with that (there are dangerous areas and most violence is from friends/family) but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Willihammer]

That particular neck of the woods, 51st and Washburn, is pretty quiet. Looking at Minneapolis' crime map, there's been one reported sexual crime (rape) in the roughly 196 city blocks surrounding 51st and Washburn Ave S in the last year. And that incident (MP 2017 130407) was placed at 5100 York only because "this point has been randomly offset at the request of the agency to protect victim privacy." Who knows where it actually occurred.

https://communitycrimemap.com/?rms=Minneapolis_Crime_Map&type=simple&address=Minneapolis%20MN

 

 

Not to say a sexual assault couldn't have been occurring when Ruszczyk called 911, only that it would have been quite a rare thing for that neighborhood and might explain (although maybe not excuse) why the officers didn't have their body cams on when they arrived.