Logan trailer

[jimmer]

 

 

Really, I liked the film because of the Magneto/Xavier dynamic. I thought it was better than even the Stewart/McKellen dynamic, which is really saying something. McAvoy and Fassbender absolutely killed it in that film.

 

What I liked about First Class is that it went right into the X-Universe's wheelhouse by making it not about an enemy so much as the human interaction and ideologies of the characters. The actual enemy was an afterthought to me and I was okay with that. The more the movie drilled in on McAvoy and Fassbender, the more I liked it.

All of this. Especially the bold part.

[jimmer]

 

While I'm on that thought, Doctor Strange was a good movie... But how much better could it have been if Marvel said "to hell with it" and made a proper Doctor Strange movie with a focus on "strange"?

 

The scene against Dormammu was brilliant but left me with the feeling "why wasn't the rest of the movie like that?" Having a non-fight climax was a fantastic decision but put on display just how "normal" the rest of the movie felt in comparison.

 

I feel Marvel kinda missed the boat with Strange. They could have shattered the "superhero movie" mold by making something truly weird and terrifying.

 

After all, that's what Doctor Strange is all about. Instead, we get Vanilla Strange from the SFX crew that brought you Inception.

Loved Doctor Strange.  An absolute home run for me. My 5th or 6th favorite Marvel movie.  And the casting of Strange was perfect.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Loved Doctor Strange.  An absolute home run for me. My 5th or 6th favorite Marvel movie.  And the casting of Strange was perfect.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Strange, but as a fan of the 70s comics I felt they didn't dive into his world - which is quite separate from most of the Marvel universe - as much as they could have done.

 

I also liked Cumberbatch in the film but, again, felt they didn't go far enough with the character... Strange is a mix of unlikable and just plain scary. He's a weird, weird dude who doesn't jibe with most of the rest of the universe.

 

Strange was a product of a weird moment in time in Marvel comics, when they still focused on things that weren't entirely superhero-y. Ghost Rider, Doctor Strange, Shang Chi, and Man-Thing were good examples of characters Marvel created during their "second wave" of books through the late 60s and early 70s. Marvel was still going strong with war books through that time as well.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Went to see Logan last night. Loved the first two-thirds of the movie, didn't love the third act. It was still okay but the western traveling vibe of the first two acts were stellar. Just what I wanted from the film.

[nicksaviking]

My wife surprised me and let me off of kid duty to go watch it. Lot's of great classic western analogies in that one. Different aspects of El Dorado, True Grit, Shane and Lonesome Dove notably come to my mind.

 

I didn't know I'd be so sentimental about the Professor X/Logan relationship.

 

No spoilers, but did I miss something when it came to revealing what happened to all the other mutants? It seemed to me a couple completely different characters were trying acknowledge that it was their doing.

[Mike Sixel]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I am looking forward to seeing this.

 

Also, I always liked the X men. the last movie was not my favorite....

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

No spoilers, but did I miss something when it came to revealing what happened to all the other mutants? It seemed to me a couple completely different characters were trying acknowledge that it was their doing.

Usually, I prefer less is more but Logan took it a bit too far. The audience needed a few more sentences on what happened to the mutants and what happened at Westchester. I could piece together some of it but nothing approaching a clear picture.

 

Literally 30 seconds of screen time could have satisfied my curiosity about those situations. The film left everything too ambiguous, which left me slightly confused.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Also, I always liked the X men. the last movie was not my favorite....

Because it was terrible.

[nicksaviking]

 

Usually, I prefer less is more but Logan took it a bit too far. The audience needed a few more sentences on what happened to the mutants and what happened at Westchester. I could piece together some of it but nothing approaching a clear picture.

 

Literally 30 seconds of screen time could have satisfied my curiosity about those situations. The film left everything too ambiguous, which left me slightly confused.

 

I actually didn't mind the innuendo and loose thread regarding this event. I was only left scratching my head because it seemed like the movie was giving hints at two separate and unrelated culprits.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I actually didn't mind the innuendo and loose thread regarding this event. I was only left scratching my head because it seemed like the movie was giving hints at two separate and unrelated culprits.

That was part of my problem. You only had a vague idea of what happened and who did it or even when it happened.

 

It left an important bit of context out of the film. Were the bad guys in Logan responsible for killing the mutants? Were they part of the government and authorized to do it? Did the government do it without their help? Was the government involved at all?

 

A little bit of context there helps explain the situation leading up to Westchester as well. Who was killed? Did Logan feel somewhat responsible for it? Xavier certainly did.

 

A few sentences of information could have gone a long way toward cementing the Logan/Xavier bond and why Logan felt so indebted to Xavier that he took on his burden. It wasn't only a backstory element, it was crucial to the relationship being shown on film.

 

I'm generally against backstory exposition but in this case, it was kinda crucial to everything happening on-screen. Telling us a bit more about the preceding decade helps the audience ground the character relationships and the villain.

[nicksaviking]

Comic book movies have never left such a loose thread hanging. It makes me think they might save it for later, but if they made a film continued from this storyline I don't know that it could be worked in organically, particularly if Hugh Jackman is truly done.

 

I wonder if there's any chance that it might instead be worked into Legion somehow. Not that anyone knows how or even if that storyline is or will be connected in any way to any X-Man related film.

[TheLeviathan]

I haven't seen the movie, but did they hint at the Old Man Logan story?  (Where Wolverine slaughters the X-men himself while being shown a powerful illusion)

 

Just speculating, but maybe they didn't want to tell that in Jackman's swan song and instead played it coy?

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I haven't seen the movie, but did they hint at the Old Man Logan story?  (Where Wolverine slaughters the X-men himself while being shown a powerful illusion)

 

Just speculating, but maybe they didn't want to tell that in Jackman's swan song and instead played it coy?

It shares very little in common with Old Man Logan, which I mostly consider a good thing. It has the tone and atmosphere Old Many Logan should have had, but instead went all super-duper comic booky.

[nicksaviking]

 

I haven't seen the movie, but did they hint at the Old Man Logan story?  (Where Wolverine slaughters the X-men himself while being shown a powerful illusion)

 

Just speculating, but maybe they didn't want to tell that in Jackman's swan song and instead played it coy?

 

It was fairly ambiguous, but I can confidently say that this aspect of Old Man Logan was neither implied nor plausible. There was another explanation(s) which would require spoilers to go into more specifics.

[glunn]

 

That was part of my problem. You only had a vague idea of what happened and who did it or even when it happened.

 

It left an important bit of context out of the film. Were the bad guys in Logan responsible for killing the mutants? Were they part of the government and authorized to do it? Did the government do it without their help? Was the government involved at all?

 

A little bit of context there helps explain the situation leading up to Westchester as well. Who was killed? Did Logan feel somewhat responsible for it? Xavier certainly did.

 

A few sentences of information could have gone a long way toward cementing the Logan/Xavier bond and why Logan felt so indebted to Xavier that he took on his burden. It wasn't only a backstory element, it was crucial to the relationship being shown on film.

 

I'm generally against backstory exposition but in this case, it was kinda crucial to everything happening on-screen. Telling us a bit more about the preceding decade helps the audience ground the character relationships and the villain.

I agree with you, but in my mind the other aspects of the movie were very solid, especially the performance of the girl and the quality of the bad guys.  And I was happy with the ending, which was cathartic for me.

 

I would put this in my top 5 Marvel movies, even though it lacked Jennifer Lawrence or Scarlett Johannsen.

[Mike Sixel]

I think we are going to see Logan tonight or tomorrow night.

 

I am not xmen xpert, so I'm sure I'll just enjoy it for what it is.

[TheLeviathan]

My wife and I loved it. I think I have most of the Westchester thing figured out but I can see how a bit more would've been nice.

 

My wife and I were more perplexed why the kids didn't fight back at the end.

[Brock Beauchamp]

My wife and I loved it. I think I have most of the Westchester thing figured out but I can see how a bit more would've been nice.

 

My wife and I were more perplexed why the kids didn't fight back at the end.

Or where the **** the adults went. Did they address that? If they did, I missed it.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Or where the **** the adults went. Did they address that? If they did, I missed it.

 

Right, did they just decide it was summer camp and left the kids to roast hot dogs and sit out in the open while a militaristic agency was hunting for them?

 

Literally having one adult say to Rictor "Hey....why don't you make a big canyon behind us and we can skip our way to Canada" and the entire final 20 minutes are unnecessary.

[Mike Sixel]

Ha, we saw it last night, and we LOVED it, but plot holes?

 

They don't just kill the big bad guys at the farm, why not? Why don't the good guys ever do this? This was (as usual) my son's biggest complaint. The good guys never take care of themselves until the end.

 

Where the heck did the adults go? They just left the kids in ND on their own?

 

Those kids were trained from birth to fight, and all they could do was run, except the mini-wolverine. Sigh. so lame. This was my biggest complaint. They could have at least tried to fight back, but still been overwhelmed by adults with some kind of weapons that knock people out from a distance.

 

lastly, why the hell do people with guns get close to mutants that have weapons on their bodies? Is everyone just stupid?

[nicksaviking]

I'm wondering what kind of deleted scenes there will be for this one, because I'm not sure if there were other adults that made it out. There was the one with little Wolverine but those two got separated from the other kids. I kind of thought the kids just went to the coordinates which seems unlikely, but no less likely than little Wolverine driving half the way there in a truck while Logan was passed out. I wonder if there is a deleted scene where one of the little X-Men has a Professor X type ability or some kind of homing skill which we did not see. I assumed we were going to hear a line of dialogue about that once little Wolverine somehow ended up in the right spot.

 

The bad guys getting too close to the superheroes who can annihilate them is pretty much the biggest plot hole in every superhero movie ever. If Superman, Wolverine, The Hulk or Thor were real people, they would do exactly zero fighting in the real world after word of their invincibility spread. Every ne'er do well would twiddle their thumbs and behave themselves until the superhuman left the county.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I'm wondering what kind of deleted scenes there will be for this one, because I'm not sure if there were other adults that made it out. There was the one with little Wolverine but those two got separated from the other kids. I kind of thought the kids just went to the coordinates which seems unlikely, but no less likely than little Wolverine driving half the way there in a truck while Logan was passed out. I wonder if there is a deleted scene where one of the little X-Men has a Professor X type ability or some kind of homing skill which we did not see. 

 

The bad guys getting too close to the superheroes who can annihilate them is pretty much the biggest plot hole in every superhero movie ever. If Superman, Wolverine, The Hulk or Thor were real people, they would do exactly zero fighting in the real world after word of their invincibility spread. Every ne'er do well would twiddle their thumbs and behave themselves until the superhuman left the county.

 

More than a dozen children made it across the whole US in 4 days, or whatever it was, without adult help? I would find it more likely that super powers were real, frankly.

[nicksaviking]

 

More than a dozen children made it across the whole US in 4 days, or whatever it was, without adult help? I would find it more likely that super powers were real, frankly.

 

Right, that's why I wonder if there is a deleted scene. It wouldn't take that much creativity to explain what happened. Maybe one can teleport or something? One can mind-control a semi-driver to take them? Adults did go with them but fell into one of North Dakota's notorious Sarlacc pits?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Right, that's why I wonder if there is a deleted scene. It wouldn't take that much creativity to explain what happened. Maybe one can teleport or something? One can mind-control a semi-driver to take them? Adults did go with them but fell into one of North Dakota's notorious Sarlacc pits?

 

if they can teleport or mind control, they sure didn't show it in the final battle scene....

 

Maybe it's like star trek, where they use fancy tech in one show, then forget it exists a few shows later when they need it...

[nicksaviking]

 

if they can teleport or mind control, they sure didn't show it in the final battle scene....

 

Maybe it's like star trek, where they use fancy tech in one show, then forget it exists a few shows later when they need it...

 

Right, why the hell doesn't Scotty have his finger on the teleport button all the time.

 

[TheLeviathan]

 

Right, why the hell doesn't Scotty have his finger on the teleport button all the time.

 

I feel like between Rictor and the kid who controlled vegetation the climatic scene had the equivalent of two Scottys asleep at the wheel.

[nicksaviking]

Geez, sounds like all anyone wanted to see is a bunch of psychologically scarred, bloodthirsty 3rd graders decapitate a bunch of people.

 

Yeah, that does sound pretty good actually.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Geez, sounds like all anyone wanted to see is a bunch of psychologically scarred, bloodthirsty 3rd graders decapitate a bunch of people.

 

Yeah, that does sound pretty good actually.

 

Ha, no, I just like internal consistency some......

 

Like, the girl that used the pine needles to kill the guy(s), who was then captured while she was distracted. That kind of thing was perfect, in showing they could fight, but that they could still be caught. Should have been a lot more of that.

[nicksaviking]

 

Ha, no, I just like internal consistency some......

 

Like, the girl that used the pine needles to kill the guy(s), who was then captured while she was distracted. That kind of thing was perfect, in showing they could fight, but that they could still be caught. Should have been a lot more of that.

 

I agree. I don't let that slide with most movies, pretty hard not to with superhero movies though, I have to watch all of them with a grain of salt. Basically the premise in all of them is, let's give this person some super awesome ability that normal humans couldn't dream of overcoming. Except it's not fun if there isn't any kind of struggle for the hero so we have to make an Achilles heel and/or make it inconvenient for them to use their abilities.

 

And we'll probably have to ret-con another Achilles heel and think of another reason for them not to be able to use their abilities for the sequel or else the movies will start getting redundant.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I agree. I don't let that slide with most movies, pretty hard not to with superhero movies though, I have to watch all of them with a grain of salt. Basically the premise in all of them is, let's give this person some super awesome ability that normal humans couldn't dream of overcoming. Except it's not fun if there isn't any kind of struggle for the hero so we have to make an Achilles heel and/or make it inconvenient for them to use their abilities.

 

And we'll probably have to ret-con another Achilles heel and think of another reason for them not to be able to use their abilities for the sequel or else the movies will start getting redundant.

 

it's my basic struggle with superman or other truly invincible types, really. I prefer my super heroes to have an actual weakness or three, but to still have super powers.

 

frankly, it's why I prefer fantasy. Humanoids can have magic or fight unrealistically, but so can others, and everyone can die...