Kennys Vargas promoted, Plouffe to DL

[mazeville]

 

Nobody was giving up anything for Plouffe in the offseason. It was the smart decision to get half a season of production and hope his value increases by the trade deadline when teams are dealing with injury and/or looking to make moves. It hasn't all worked out, but hindsight is 20/20 and I think the logic behind the move was solid. The worst case scenario is that they trade him now for the same type of marginal prospect they would've received in the offseason.

 

And nobody will give up anything for Plouffe now.

 

The Twins had a great third base prospect who wasn't in shape to play the outfield. They had an abundance of corner outfielders/infielders. They signed a DH. It made all sorts of sense to trade Plouffe in the offseason and not mid-season. 

 

Plouffe is not a good enough player to warrant the "don't trade him if you don't get enough for him," especially if you have log jams everywhere else. Sano is an upgrade over Plouffe when you look at both offense and defense. 

 

I do not understand this, "They won't get enough for him" view that people take when it comes to roster construction. Plouffe is an average third baseman. That hardly makes him a must-keep, especially when you have someone with all star potential in Sano who should be playing in that position. And the Twins' stupidity on this issue resulted in them losing Oswaldo Arcia -- who has had nine hits, including two doubles and a homer, since getting everyday playing time with the Tampa Bay Rays.

 

Roster construction is important. You don't just hold average players because you won't get enough in return -- not when you need to open up spots for younger players with higher ceilings. 

 

[old nurse]

By WOBA Plouffe has a slightly above average bat by league standards the  2 seasons previous to this. one. By slugging percentage a slightly higher than average bat. Unfortunately that made him way above average for the Twins.  The uncertainty of development, regression, or inability to bat in the 1B/OF/DH /C slots made it hard for roster construction.  Going into the season with Dozier as your certain bat and Escobar as your only other steady player was a little to risky for Ryan.

[DJSim22]

 

And nobody will give up anything for Plouffe now.

 

The Twins had a great third base prospect who wasn't in shape to play the outfield. They had an abundance of corner outfielders/infielders. They signed a DH. It made all sorts of sense to trade Plouffe in the offseason and not mid-season. 

 

Plouffe is not a good enough player to warrant the "don't trade him if you don't get enough for him," especially if you have log jams everywhere else. Sano is an upgrade over Plouffe when you look at both offense and defense. 

 

I do not understand this, "They won't get enough for him" view that people take when it comes to roster construction. Plouffe is an average third baseman. That hardly makes him a must-keep, especially when you have someone with all star potential in Sano who should be playing in that position. And the Twins' stupidity on this issue resulted in them losing Oswaldo Arcia -- who has had nine hits, including two doubles and a homer, since getting everyday playing time with the Tampa Bay Rays.

 

Roster construction is important. You don't just hold average players because you won't get enough in return -- not when you need to open up spots for younger players with higher ceilings. 

 

27 at bats, 9 hits 2 doubles, 1 home run, 4 RBI. Definition of small sample size.  6-9 with 2 doubles and homer with 3 rbi in two games.  3-15 with zero's since, slicing up the small sample size. Grossman in his first 27 at bats with the Twins had 10 hits 3 doubles 2 homers 8 RBI.

 

 If we're mad about keeping Plouffe instead of Arcia, I don't see it.  Arcia stunk it up in all phases of the game.  As bad as Arcia was hitting, was as fielder, people also need to remember he was fairly brutal on the base paths as well.  I'm still more perplexed by the Park signing with Sano in the outfield, not worried about Arcia leaving. 

[stringer bell]

If Plouffe is ready to go after the fifteen days (or maybe a few more) he probably gets regular playing time. The other 29 teams know what a healthy Plouffe brings-probably a bit above average both at the plate and in the field. If he shows he's healthy and swings the bat acceptably, I don't think his trade value is any lower than when the season started.

[Halsey Hall]

 

If Plouffe is ready to go after the fifteen days (or maybe a few more) he probably gets regular playing time. The other 29 teams know what a healthy Plouffe brings-probably a bit above average both at the plate and in the field. If he shows he's healthy and swings the bat acceptably, I don't think his trade value is any lower than when the season started.

I don't think it could get any lower than when the season started. And it certainly hasn't gone up.

[CampQ]

Probably send down one of the 28 year old "meh" relievers we have been so preciously stashing down in the bullpen....

You called it. Boshers optioned to AAA, May activated

[mazeville]

 

27 at bats, 9 hits 2 doubles, 1 home run, 4 RBI. Definition of small sample size.  6-9 with 2 doubles and homer with 3 rbi in two games.  3-15 with zero's since, slicing up the small sample size. Grossman in his first 27 at bats with the Twins had 10 hits 3 doubles 2 homers 8 RBI.

 

 If we're mad about keeping Plouffe instead of Arcia, I don't see it.  Arcia stunk it up in all phases of the game.  As bad as Arcia was hitting, was as fielder, people also need to remember he was fairly brutal on the base paths as well.  I'm still more perplexed by the Park signing with Sano in the outfield, not worried about Arcia leaving. 

 

I get it's a small sample size. But Arcia was still young and had potential with the bat. If you're perplexed by the Park signing, it should be because he took playing time away from Arcia, a perfect DH candidate. 

[KirbyDome89]

 

And nobody will give up anything for Plouffe now.

 

The Twins had a great third base prospect who wasn't in shape to play the outfield. They had an abundance of corner outfielders/infielders. They signed a DH. It made all sorts of sense to trade Plouffe in the offseason and not mid-season. 

 

Plouffe is not a good enough player to warrant the "don't trade him if you don't get enough for him," especially if you have log jams everywhere else. Sano is an upgrade over Plouffe when you look at both offense and defense. 

 

I do not understand this, "They won't get enough for him" view that people take when it comes to roster construction. Plouffe is an average third baseman. That hardly makes him a must-keep, especially when you have someone with all star potential in Sano who should be playing in that position. And the Twins' stupidity on this issue resulted in them losing Oswaldo Arcia -- who has had nine hits, including two doubles and a homer, since getting everyday playing time with the Tampa Bay Rays.

 

Roster construction is important. You don't just hold average players because you won't get enough in return -- not when you need to open up spots for younger players with higher ceilings. 

I don't have a problem with Plouffe being traded, and I certainly don't think he's a "must-keep." At some point he is going to moved but I don't think it makes sense to give him up for essentially nothing during the offseason when you have an opportunity to drive his value up during the 1st half of this season.

 

Losing Arcia wasn't a good move, but they didn't DFA him just because Plouffe was at 3B. There were a lot of moves and decisions that contributed to Arcia being shown the door. 

 

 I agree, roster construction is important. I definitely don't want the prospects coming through to be blocked. I also don't want to see the team throw away talent and receive nothing in return. That was one of the main issues with the Arcia move. The crunch for half a season isn't ideal but I accept it as an attempt to get back everything they can for talent they've developed. 

[mazeville]

 

I don't have a problem with Plouffe being traded, and I certainly don't think he's a "must-keep." At some point he is going to moved but I don't think it makes sense to give him up for essentially nothing during the offseason when you have an opportunity to drive his value up during the 1st half of this season.

 

 

Plouffe's value would never be as high as it was last offseason, barring some unforeseen explosion in offense. He is who he is. An OK-hitting third baseman and decent fielder. Todd Frazier got a remarkably low return for the Reds, and he is vastly superior.

 

What's done is done, however, and he's injured and will likely stick with the team for the full season because he'll be out past the trading deadline. 

[alarp33]

 

If Plouffe is ready to go after the fifteen days (or maybe a few more) he probably gets regular playing time. The other 29 teams know what a healthy Plouffe brings-probably a bit above average both at the plate and in the field. If he shows he's healthy and swings the bat acceptably, I don't think his trade value is any lower than when the season started.

 

I'm sorry but this really isn't based on any sort of facts.  He is not above avg offensively or defensively, and it's not really close.  

 

MLB 3rd baseman on average this season are hitting  .267/.336/.451

 

Trevor Plouffe;  

This year - .252/.283/.399.  

Last calendar year (july 1 '15 to July 1 '16): .243/.293/.416

Last season: .244/.307/.435

2014: .258/.328/.423