GOT season six (spoilers galore)

[Mike Sixel]

 

If the story keeps going at the pace it did this season, I hope the Wall falls with no fewer than 6-10 episodes remaining in the series (it'd be a good way to end season seven).

 

Given the scope of the battle and the forces involved, the war for Westeros should consume most, if not all, of a season (eight).

 

I expect the walkers to make it to the gates of or near King's Landing.

 

That's my hope.....that they make it that far......

 

That said, how many Northerners will be in their army then? Will we see episodes of Jon and the Brotherhood protecting the fleeing masses, only to have them come to someplace "safe" and make their stand?

 

Why would the white walkers not spread out all over the North (like good tacticians) and mass up as many zombies as possible? Maybe there aren't enough leaders to do that?

 

Either way, imo, if they don't make it South a long way, they weren't really ever much of a threat.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

That's my hope.....that they make it that far......

 

That said, how many Northerners will be in their army then? Will we see episodes of Jon and the Brotherhood protecting the fleeing masses, only to have them come to someplace "safe" and make their stand?

 

Why would the white walkers not spread out all over the North (like good tacticians) and mass up as many zombies as possible? Maybe there aren't enough leaders to do that?

 

Either way, imo, if they don't make it South a long way, they weren't really ever much of a threat.

I'm thinking we'll see a wholesale evacuation of the North.

[gunnarthor]

 

Hmmmm.....so we think it isn't time travel, that months or YEARS have passed......and no one knows what is happening on the Wall? I find that hard to believe. Not impossible, but hard.

 

How many years from Jon taking over until now have passed? 3 at least, maybe 5.....

In the books, the first season starts near the end of 298 AC and only about a year and a half of time has happened.  The books are currently in the middle of 300 AC.  I assume the TV show is on roughly the same timeline.  

[Mike Sixel]

 

In the books, the first season starts near the end of 298 AC and only about a year and a half of time has happened.  The books are currently in the middle of 300 AC.  I assume the TV show is on roughly the same timeline.  

 

I found at least 2 sites saying that it is 3 years from Jon taking over until now (for the tv show).

 

I don't know if your time line is correct, or not, for the books, I am trying to do SOME work today....

[jimmer]

 

I found at least 2 sites saying that it is 3 years from Jon taking over until now (for the tv show).

 

I don't know if your time line is correct, or not, for the books, I am trying to do SOME work today....

Taking over what?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Taking over what?

 

As leader at the wall.....that was the discussion, how do the Maesters not know this, if every Lord in the North does?

 

Such a boring topic compared to making up wacky theories.

[jimmer]

 

As leader at the wall.....that was the discussion, how do the Maesters not know this, if every Lord in the North does?

 

Such a boring topic compared to making up wacky theories.

yeah, I missed the whole discussion of that.  my bad

[gunnarthor]

 

I found at least 2 sites saying that it is 3 years from Jon taking over until now (for the tv show).

 

I don't know if your time line is correct, or not, for the books, I am trying to do SOME work today....

I think this is the definitive website.  The authors helped write Martin write the World of Ice and Fire and the wiki is part of the westeros.org list of cites.

  http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Years_after_Aegon%27s_Conquest#Year_299_After_the_Conquest

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

I think this is the definitive website.  The authors helped write Martin write the World of Ice and Fire and the wiki is part of the westeros.org list of cites.

  http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Years_after_Aegon%27s_Conquest#Year_299_After_the_Conquest

 

I've already stated that the tv show (according to them) and the books are on different timelines.....

[Brock Beauchamp]

I've already stated that the tv show (according to them) and the books are on different timelines.....

They have to be because the kids are aging in real time. It's not believable that less than two years have passed when Bran, Rickon, and Arya are well into their teens.

[TheLeviathan]

If the story keeps going at the pace it did this season, I hope the Wall falls with no fewer than 6-10 episodes remaining in the series (it'd be a good way to end season seven).

 

Given the scope of the battle and the forces involved, the war for Westeros should consume most, if not all, of a season (eight).

 

I expect the walkers to make it to the gates of or near King's Landing.

I think the Wall falls in the first few episodes next season. I think they evacuate the Wall snd the real battle happens at Winterfell.

 

I think Sam has two roles - 1) He has one of the rare Valerian swords along with Brienne, Jamie, and Jon and 2) He finds something long forgotten about either the doom of Valyria, the children of the forest, the magic embed in the wall, or the dragons that turns the tide.

 

I lean to the last one, with a fun encounter between Sam and Tyrion about "knowing things".

[Brock Beauchamp]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but we still don't have any idea of the motivation for the walkers to invade Westeros, do we?

 

That could be a bombshell. I hope it's more than "they're really evil".

[TheLeviathan]

That's true, we don't know that. It could be revenge on their ancient enemies who made them. But I think it's likely that they are just plain evil.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but we still don't have any idea of the motivation for the walkers to invade Westeros, do we?

 

That could be a bombshell. I hope it's more than "they're really evil".

 

Hmmmmm.....I hadn't really thought they needed a reason.

 

But, if they were literally created and imprinted with the idea that "man is evil, and must be destroyed"....that's probably enough for me. 

[diehardtwinsfan]

Not sure I want to see Arya and Jamie square off personally, I'm beginning to like his character... might be some room in there for her to find some forgiveness for him when he does in his sister perhaps?  I'd like to the hound and the mountain square off as well. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Not sure I want to see Arya and Jamie square off personally, I'm beginning to like his character... might be some room in there for her to find some forgiveness for him when he does in his sister perhaps?  I'd like to the hound and the mountain square off as well. 

 

the guy who three shows ago basically said he'd kill everyone so he could be with the woman he loved? That guy?

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I totally missed this.

 

Very interesting.....

 

In the books, there was one chapter on someone stealing something in Old Towne for a Wizard in exchange for a gold dragon.  The kid wanted to buy the virginity of his friend from her mom who was auctioning it off for a gold dragon.  Anyways, he ends up dead.  I don't remember there being an end to that, but something tells me that one chapter is much bigger than that. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Not sure I want to see Arya and Jamie square off personally, I'm beginning to like his character... might be some room in there for her to find some forgiveness for him when he does in his sister perhaps?  I'd like to the hound and the mountain square off as well. 

I wouldn't want to see it, either... But it makes for engaging storytelling.

 

What does Jamie choose in that situation? Revenge for his fallen sister or the oath he swore to Brienne?

 

It'd be his Rubicon moment; he chooses a side and can't go back.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

In the books, there was one chapter on someone stealing something in Old Towne for a Wizard in exchange for a gold dragon.  The kid wanted to buy the virginity of his friend from her mom who was auctioning it off for a gold dragon.  Anyways, he ends up dead.  I don't remember there being an end to that, but something tells me that one chapter is much bigger than that. 

Ooh yeah, forgot about that little story.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I don't think Cercei has any legal claim to the throne - certainly nothing in the books which repeatedly say that a woman can not rule.  But she has the King's guard, the Lannister forces and no one to (openly) oppose her.  That's an usurper.  

 

She's back to queen regent, right?  Everyone with a claim is dead.  I'd imagine she would be a ripe marriage candidate as long as she could potentially provide an heir... I suspect that's her play.  I really hope she gets everything she's done to everyone else back in triplicate... 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

She's back to queen regent, right?  Everyone with a claim is dead.  I'd imagine she would be a ripe marriage candidate as long as she could potentially provide an heir... I suspect that's her play.  I really hope she gets everything she's done to everyone else back in triplicate... 

Nope, she's Cersei, first of her name, blah blah blah, other words.

 

No regency there.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Nope, she's Cersei, first of her name, blah blah blah, other words.

 

No regency there.

 

that's how I heard it also.....

 

Was it you that said, why does anyone outside KL care who sits the throne? Right now, I think that is a good question, frankly. If I was in the 'game", I'd be sacking Lannister homelands, and let the capital rot. I don't think the North even wants to be in the same kingdom as the south.....does Dorne really want that? 

 

I'd probably pull a Nexit at this point, if I was the North....

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

that's how I heard it also.....

 

Was it you that said, why does anyone outside KL care who sits the throne? Right now, I think that is a good question, frankly. If I was in the 'game", I'd be sacking Lannister homelands, and let the capital rot. I don't think the North even wants to be in the same kingdom as the south.....does Dorne really want that? 

 

I'd probably pull a Nexit at this point, if I was the North....

Yeah, I said something like that.

 

King's Landing won the war for the North for two reasons: they had Highgarden's army and the Freys betrayed the Starks.

 

Well, Highgarden now wants Lannister heads on pikes and Walder Frey is dead.

 

So, yeah, King's Landing.

[TheLeviathan]

 

In the books, there was one chapter on someone stealing something in Old Towne for a Wizard in exchange for a gold dragon.  The kid wanted to buy the virginity of his friend from her mom who was auctioning it off for a gold dragon.  Anyways, he ends up dead.  I don't remember there being an end to that, but something tells me that one chapter is much bigger than that. 

 

I think that story was about Jacqen H'ghar being back in Westeros.  That character's motivations are still very mysterious.

 

And the Lannister forces are very spread out right now, they'll have to all join up in King's Landing when Dany comes.  I assume she'll attack from the south given that turf is occupied by her allies.

[jimmer]

 

I think that story was about Jacqen H'ghar being back in Westeros.  That character's motivations are still very mysterious.

 

And the Lannister forces are very spread out right now, they'll have to all join up in King's Landing when Dany comes.  I assume she'll attack from the south given that turf is occupied by her allies.

I like to believe Syrio Forel was the Jacqen she first met.  That Syrio escaped KL with the face we know as Jacqen.  What was Jacen doing there in the first place?

[TheLeviathan]

 

I like to believe Syrio Forel was the Jacqen she first met.  That Syrio escaped KL with the face we know as Jacqen.  What was Jacen doing there in the first place?

 

I don't think he was Syrio, but that would be really interesting.  I've never heard that before, very cool.

 

And that last question - I've put a lot of thinking into that and I have nothing.  Unless he is there simply to meet Arya.  Who gave him that mission and why - I have no idea.

[Mike Sixel]

I have no idea what Jacqen's game is. It's very confusing to me, frankly.

[TheLeviathan]

Also, this may answer Brock's earlier question about the Night's King.  So mike was pretty much spot on.

[jimmer]

When talking about whether or not Syrio is alive, remember it was down to him and Trant. 

 

Hound and Sir Barristan Selmy both noted how easily someone could beat Trant, so I find it hard to believe he beat Syrio. the first sword of Braavos. Between that info and Jacqen just happening to be there, is why I like to think the first Jacqen we saw was actually Syrio. He also knew who Arya was right away.  He also promised Ned he'd train her.

 

Probably wrong, but I don't think it's too far out in left field. 

[TheLeviathan]

 

When talking about whether or not Syrio is alive, remember it was down to him and Trant. 

 

Hound and Sir Barristan Selmy both noted how easily someone could beat Trant, so I find it hard to believe he beat Syrio. the first sword of Braavos. Between that info and Jacqen just happening to be there, is why I like to think the first Jacqen we saw was actually Syrio. He also knew who Arya was right away.  He also promised Ned he'd train her.

 

Probably wrong, but I don't think it's too far out in left field. 

 

Trant definitely survived, he was the perv she eye-gouged last season.