Ervin Santana for Jose Reyes?

[shs_59]

I would do it

 

I'd offer Ervin Santana and 2 Mill a year over the next 3 years (thru 2018)  Thats 6 Million.

and any C , low end C+ prospect they want

 

for Jose Reyes

 

I would also do this in the off-season

 

Eduardo Nunez , (A) LHP Sam Clay , and Ricky Nolasco  (owed 24 MM  for 2 more years )

 

to the CUBS for 

 

C Miguel Montero  ( 2 more years under contract? 7.5 MM per)

 

(the cubs absolutely have no need for Montero anymore with Schwarber and Ross as their primary catchers and from 2016 and beyond they'll have STUD Catching prospect Wilson Contreras ready in AAA.

 

I'd also try to figure out a way to pry LHP reliever Will Smith from the Brewers

 

maybe offer Cotts + Pat Dean back to them in the off-season or Dean + Travis Harrison?

 

next years rotation :

 

Kyle Gibson , Phill Hughes, Trevor May , Tom Millone , And .T. Duffey/ J.O. Berrios

 

next years 'Pen :

 

Glen Perkins, Kevin Jespen, Will Smith, Casey Fien , Michael Tonkin OR Alex Meyer , and Taylor Rogers (rogers as the 3rd dominate against lefties LEFTY)

J.R. Graham as insurance along with A.J. Achter and O'Rourke in AAA.

[shs_59]

^ ^^ Also i'm guessing we'd have to eat around 3 or 4 Million per year of Nolasco's final 2 years for the Cubs to OK that.

 

so Chicago would only owe Nolasco 8 mm per the next 2 years at around 16 MM that could be a bargain for them.  (Nolasco would get to go back to the NL and step in as the teams 5th starter to replace Dan Haren)

 

By doing so we give them a potential dominate Relief prospect in Clay instead of someone like Thorpe or Gonsalves who HAS the potential to be semi-dominate Starters.

[darin617]

I almost thought about an Elvis Andrus for any of the horrible contracts until I saw the length of the deal.

[Cap'n Piranha]

 

I'd also try to figure out a way to pry LHP reliever Will Smith from the Brewers

 

maybe offer Cotts + Pat Dean back to them in the off-season or Dean + Travis Harrison?

 

I applaud the thought, but there's no way the Brewers do that.  First off, Cotts is a FA at the end of the year, so he can't really be dealt.  Will Smith just turned 26, strikes out 13/9, and has a sub-2 FIP (4th in all of baseball).  You really think the Brewers want any combo of Dean (who is OLDER than Smith), and strikes out 5/9 with a 3.51 FIP at AAA, or Harrison (nearly 23, still at AA, where he's OPS'ing .700 and has to play in a corner)?

 

To get Will Smith, you're starting with Gonsalves/Polanco/Kepler.  I'd be willing to move Polanco, but not the other two.

[USAFChief]

I could get behind a Nolasco for Reyes deal.  It's only money, and IMO Reyes is a better candidate for a dead cat bounce than Nolasco.  He's had an OPS+ over 100 every year since 2006 except for this one.  He's 32, not 40.  IMO he doesn't have to be very good to be better than internal SS candidates, but then I have a pretty low opinion of Escobar.

 

 

 

I get the feeling Colorado would like to get rid of Reyes, too, so this might be feasible.  Reyes just went through waivers where any team could likely have had him for the asking, and nobody bit, so it's not like there's going to be multiple teams asking about him. 

 

If it doesn't work, there's this, too:  I think the Twins would be more likely to sit Reyes if healthy and not producing, than sit Nolasco if healthy and not producing.  I have little in the way of evidence for that, just my gut feeling they are more likely to give a veteran starter more rope than a postition player.

[Sweet Tator]

Would it be too bold of a move to throw in Oswaldo Arcia into a deal where somebody is willingly to eat Nolasco? If Arcia is not called in September it seems like the FO would be ready to wash their hands of both these guys.

 

I'm talking about a deal for like Reyes, or Andrus or Starlin Castro.   I'm not ready to give up on Ervin yet, or Phil Hughes, but I would love to clear up our rotation more.

 

And if you have one of those guys at short at least their huge contract is in a better position than our starting rotation.

Thoughts?

 

[Jham]

Escobar's been playing great. Big hits, steady d. But for the life of me, i can't see why people aren't more excited about Polanco. Having watched him go deep in the hole, fire a laser to Mauer,then get charged with an error because Mauer doesn't know how to stretch, i have no concerns about his arm strength. He makes a lot of errors apparently, so do a lot of short stops. To me, it didn't look like anything a better fielding 3 couldn't fix. I'm frankly surprised he hasn't been given the starting spot.

[SwainZag]

 

Escobar's been playing great. Big hits, steady d. But for the life of me, i can't see why people aren't more excited about Polanco. Having watched him go deep in the hole, fire a laser to Mauer,then get charged with an error because Mauer doesn't know how to stretch, i have no concerns about his arm strength. He makes a lot of errors apparently, so do a lot of short stops. To me, it didn't look like anything a better fielding 3 couldn't fix. I'm frankly surprised he hasn't been given the starting spot.

 

I highly doubt that one play was the only reason that people aren't more excited about Polanco.

[woody knows all]

Why trade a true MLB starting pitcher for a over the hill shortstop.  The Twins are still trying to find even #2 and #3 starters. Santana could be that guy.  The guys coming up are not ready.  I like to see starting pitchers that can at least pitch into the 7th inning.  Right now the Twins have very few guys that can do that.  

[blairpaul715]

 

They got more prospects for Tulo because they were willing to take on the Reyes contract. Reyes doesn't have any real trade value currently, in any trade they would have to eat the majority of the contract to even get back a C level prospect for him at this point.

 

So the Rockies basically have three options:

1. Keep Reyes (Story remains blocked)

2. Trade Reyes and at least 30 million to a team for a C level prospect

3. Trade Reyes for another bad contract (that could fill a need in a bigger area for them i.e. SP)

 

I think they have no desire in 1, and finding a partner for "2" is difficult. Santana for Reyes I think makes a good amount of sense for them.

I think they have Reyes untill Rodgers becomes ready........Story is not really their SS of the future, he could be a placeholder altho if they did trade Reyes........So Reyes is not blocking anyone currently.

[Jham]

 

I highly doubt that one play was the only reason that people aren't more excited about Polanco.

 

Well that's sort of why I stated that I don't know why people are not more excited.  The most common knocks I hear are errors (throwing to Kennys Vargas) and arm strength.  I saw enough arm strength when he was up that I'm not too concerned.  I guess I don't know why he's looked at as such an afterthought when he's been pretty darn successful everywhere he's gone including the bigs.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Well that's sort of why I stated that I don't know why people are not more excited.  The most common knocks I hear are errors (throwing to Kennys Vargas) and arm strength.  I saw enough arm strength when he was up that I'm not too concerned.  I guess I don't know why he's looked at as such an afterthought when he's been pretty darn successful everywhere he's gone including the bigs.

I don't see a lot to get excited about with Polanco. He's questionable defensively at short and doesn't hit enough to play second.

 

Yeah, it's possible he can turn into a nice player but he's not the type of prospect I get too excited about... Moderately high ceiling with a relatively low floor.

 

But he's only 21 years old. There's some room for him to grow into being a better hitter.

[Mike Sixel]

I think they moved him to second a couple weeks ago in the minors. He isn't a SS.

[Oxtung]

I think they moved him to second a couple weeks ago in the minors. He isn't a SS.

He played 2B a couple of games but then was back at SS for the next 3 and finally he sat in their last game. So who knows.

[Mike Sixel]

 

He played 2B a couple of games but then was back at SS for the next 3 and finally he sat in their last game. So who knows.

 

ah, thanks, I thought I read that they had moved him.......either way, I'm not a believer in him as a SS, not having seen him play obviously I can only go off reports.

 

Also pretty sure he's not as good as Dozier (for at least a couple years, at least), so I'd hate for them to move Dozier and put him in there.

[Jham]

 

ah, thanks, I thought I read that they had moved him.......either way, I'm not a believer in him as a SS, not having seen him play obviously I can only go off reports.

 

Also pretty sure he's not as good as Dozier (for at least a couple years, at least), so I'd hate for them to move Dozier and put him in there.

 

Yeah, it's tough.  I'm going off the little I've seen.  The scouting reports aren't universally bad about his defense.  And the bar isn't particularly high for offensive production at short.  Though Esco has been hitting like a starting MLB SS lately.  I do like the potentially high ceiling though.  His history at the plate shows him to be a more complete hitter than Santana.  Reviews of Santana's defense were similarly mixed.  But many of the negatives I've heard re: Polanco have been a) poor judgment (comes with experience) and avg. arm (what's wrong with avg?).  His frame and approach at the plate lead me to believe that he might add some amount of power to his game over the next few years.  

 

Perhaps I should have stated, I'm not sure why the people who were excited about him earlier this year are no longer excited about him.  Seems like he's lost some support among Twins Daily posters at least...  Maybe his supporters are just resigned to the fact that Esco is playing well enough and Santana is no longer submarining the middle infield anymore, and it's not that big a deal anymore...

 

 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Yeah, it's tough.  I'm going off the little I've seen.  The scouting reports aren't universally bad about his defense.  And the bar isn't particularly high for offensive production at short.  Though Esco has been hitting like a starting MLB SS lately.  I do like the potentially high ceiling though.  His history at the plate shows him to be a more complete hitter than Santana.  Reviews of Santana's defense were similarly mixed.  But many of the negatives I've heard re: Polanco have been a) poor judgment (comes with experience) and avg. arm (what's wrong with avg?).  His frame and approach at the plate lead me to believe that he might add some amount of power to his game over the next few years.  

 

Perhaps I should have stated, I'm not sure why the people who were excited about him earlier this year are no longer excited about him.  Seems like he's lost some support among Twins Daily posters at least...  Maybe his supporters are just resigned to the fact that Esco is playing well enough and Santana is no longer submarining the middle infield anymore, and it's not that big a deal anymore...

I don't know if anyone is that much higher or lower on Jorge, as we were a pretty split bunch in the first place.

 

But I think getting Santana out of Minnesota played a role in Polanco talk. Once Danny was gone, there was little need to worry about SS in the short term, as it was no longer killing the team and it's really hard to argue convincingly that Polanco is a big upgrade over Escobar.

 

I think you'll see a lot more talk about Polanco the moment the 2015 regular season is complete (assuming the Twins do not make the playoffs).

[DaveW]

Right or wrong, I just don't think the Twins view Polanco as a SS option, now, maybe he would be a decent option, but the Twins track record of giving up on SS early and rolling with garbage is noting new. But I just don't see them giving him a real honest shot at "earning" the spot anytime soon.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

The way the wind blows, it might be Polanco at 2nd and Gordon at Short or vice versa in a few years.

 

I would think that if the Rockies are willing to take on Ervin Santana, wouldn't they rather have Nolasco's shorter contract? The Twins might be asked to add another piece to get a deal done, but if I were the Twins I would stand firm on one or the other, and the Rockies can take it or leave it. Reyes is not the upgrade he would have been a couple years ago.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Right or wrong, I just don't think the Twins view Polanco as a SS option, now, maybe he would be a decent option, but the Twins track record of giving up on SS early and rolling with garbage is noting new. But I just don't see them giving him a real honest shot at "earning" the spot anytime soon.

 

They certainly didn't give him that shot this year, despite the HYPE and Danny being awful.....

[DaveW]

I could have sworn shields was claimed and then was pulled back (thus making him ineligible to be traded for all intents and purposes) could be wrong.

[SwainZag]

 

I could have sworn shields was claimed and then was pulled back (thus making him ineligible to be traded for all intents and purposes) could be wrong.

 

He cleared.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/james-shields-clears-waivers.html

[DaveW]

Interesting. I'd gladly bring in shields as he would instantly be our best current pitcher.