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Posting styles discussing our frustrations about the Twins


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In light of some posting styles we have been seeing lately on TD, I thought I'd do some venting of my own ... in a blog. The thread that broke this camel's back was this thread, 'It is time to end the insanity.' I've been meaning to address this for a while now, and have here and there in threads when posts become nothing more than venting general frustrations rather than addressing the topic at hand; and redundant threads get started on this same topic of frustration that seem more like rants than opening a new thread to discuss the latest news. Okay, okay ... the general topic of 'This is what's wrong with the Twins' is a topic of discussion ... but we've seen this in several threads already. Obviously there are new salient points that must be addressed, but it is this 'venting' and 'ranting' that becomes a detriment to my and others' enjoyment and participation in the forums.

 

I've always thought the purpose of the forums on TD is for discussion, critical discussion. Yes, with disagreements and passion, but, nonetheless, critical discussion, with maybe a little humor and/or snark mixed in from time to time, no matter what side you fall on with any given issue. Posters have always been encouraged to start threads to discuss a particular topic, or general topic, or a news item you saw, or a blog you read, or a question you have, or a move that was made/not made, management issues, player issues etc. And yes, those discussions will get emotional and passionate as we all have a vested interest in the outcome of the Twins, and have our own opinions on what should/should not be, and often disagree on the best way forward. And sometimes threads do get a bit meandering and off topic despite our best efforts to try and keep them within loose boundaries. But this recent posting style, such as the OP, in my opinion, really needs to be directed towards the Blogs area on this site. These threads, such as the one I made example of, serve no purpose other than to regurgitate a list of generalized complaints and are not focussed points of discussion and only invite generalized regurgitating of someone else's complaints. The title of this thread 'End the insanity' in and of itself just opens the floor to everyone's complaints and soon we have a morass of unpleasant vomiting to wade through. Yes, we're frustrated and I'm not trying to take that away from anyone, not in the least, because well, it IS frustrating, to no end, at least for me. And I guess we each have our own way of dealing, but the Blogs are there for you to let it all out. You want to vent? Start a blog and vent away. You want to have a legitimate, critical discussion, stick to the forums and structure a thread that leads to that; a post or a thread that has been thought out and isn't some generalized rant that has no real basis in reality other than it's some emotional response, not a genuine reading of facts, to what you think should have happened. Don't just vomit up all your frustration for the rest of us to wade through; that's just lazy. Those are the types of threads and posts that keep me from the forums, not the stances people may take on the Twins in general or specifically. If you don't like a topic, you are free to not read it. If you don't like a particular poster, put them on ignore or skip over their posts. So I find myself more and more throwing my hands up and 'walking away' because threads just become unreadable the more this style continues.

 

(Edit: I want to add that the thread I used as an example has generated a pretty fair and decent discussion. Many threads and posts of this 'listing of wrongs venting' have not. I'm in no way suggesting we can't be critical of the team and its management ... I mean, come on, look at the team ... I'm suggesting that don't just start a thread or make a post listing all that bothers you. Try to frame things so we can have legitimate discussions without being critical of fellow posters who might have a differing point of view, otherwise, try starting a blog. If you have to end a post or a thread start with '/end rant,' which this one did not, it probably would be better suited for a blog. They are very useful for 'getting it out' of your system. But given the OP of that thread, it was very easy for all of us to think to ourselves, 'Oy, this again?' and either walk away or get defensive or pile on. The following paragraph stands ... for all and everything. Stop the divisive language!)

 

Another issue I want to address: this generalized characterization of posters some of you think necessary to throw into their posts. This 'The Twins can do no wrong crowd' or the 'Twins can do no right crowd' is hugely disrespectful and dismissive, and from this moderator, will not be tolerated. If you want to divide and pick sides, fine, go play a game of dodge ball, your posts will be removed. Lumping posters into such 'all or nothing' categories because they choose to disagree with a point here and there needs to stop. I try to stay fairly objective, as objective as I can in my own like/dislike of certain topics, in my reading here, despite my own frustrations with the team, but there really are only two or three posters that fall into those mentioned categories on each end of this spectrum. The large majority of posters fall everywhere in between. Yes, some have definite leanings, but I have seen very, very few posters who have blindly taken these all or nothing stances on everything Twins. If all you want to do is read posts only in agreement with you, then you are in the wrong place. It is nothing but smug self-righteousness to declare yourself so right and others wrong and then to label others in such a dismissive way. It's the same with the negative/positive crowd. This is nothing but from your perspective, and your perspective is NOT the end all to defining anyone else. Say your piece. Have at it. And if others disagree, so be it. Have a debate, be open-minded to another's views and why they take them, give them the benefit of the doubt, ask for explanations, and disagree if you just disagree, but don't be dismissive about it by saying 'You're just part of that crowd.' If one poster likes a move and another doesn't, they are not in any of the above-mentioned crowds, they just differ in opinions. And if a poster wants to point out a silver lining or a black cloud, so what? It's their opinion and no one is right or wrong here. I'm not sure why that is so difficult to understand. Does it bruise egos when someone doesn't like your point, or picks it apart with their own interpretation of the facts, or their own use (right or wrong) of various metrics, stats, other numbers? Get over it. Don't double down and hunker down so hard you develop tunnel vision, and resort to the "Oh, you just hate so and so" or "Oh, you just love so and so" as an argument. It's unproductive, lazy and weak. And it gets old, and frankly, loses credibility for the poster who uses that as an argument. And maybe, just maybe, we don't need to fight to the end. When it gets to the point of labeling posters, I think it's time to agree to disagree and just let it go.

 

Okay ... I've run out of steam. Whew! That was so cathartic!!! You should give it a try.

 

See what I did there? Here's how I got started and so can you. There are all sorts of things to click on to help you find your way through the blogs. There's even a tutorial ... which I didn't click, because I didn't need to. So ... have at it.

 

1. On the red menu strip across the top, click on the word “Blogs”

2. Click on the black rectangle that says ‘Create a Blog’

3. Read the terms and rules, then check the box that says you have read and understood the terms, then click ‘Continue—>’

4. Fill in the blanks with the Blog name, Blog description, choose blog type, then click continue.

Example: Blog Name: ChiTown’s Fun Takes

Blog Description: All that frustrates me about the Twins

Blog Type: Local Blog

5. Choose your settings

6. Save

 

At that point you can choose ‘Options’ and then ‘Add new entry’ and go to town. Or leave, collect your thoughts, come back and choose ‘Blogs’ from the red menu strip across the top, click ‘Add Entry’ and go to town.

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Thanks for speaking your mind, Chi. Will perhaps have a bit to add after digesting this. Maybe not the morass of vomit part; reminds me of when one of the dogs gets sick.

 

Or after a night of tequila.

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Thanks, ChiTown. I know I'm hardly the personification of perfection (probably a lot closer to the other end of the spectrum), but it is EXACTLY this reason I am barely present on here anymore - and I'm sure I speak for a broad range of posters. I won't say any more on the subject because you handled it a lot better than I ever could ... but thanks.

 

And by the way, kudos on keeping it down to 1,285 words. ;)

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Thanks, ChiTown. I know I'm hardly the personification of perfection (probably a lot closer to the other end of the spectrum), but it is EXACTLY this reason I am barely present on here anymore - and I'm sure I speak for a broad range of posters. I won't say any more on the subject because you handled it a lot better than I ever could ... but thanks.

 

And by the way, kudos on keeping it down to 1,285 words. ;)

 

I've been continually editing it so I don't know if I lengthened or shortened it since your post :)

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Chitown,

 

Several thoughts and comments:

 

This is a great forum for info on the Twins, to get the latest news, updates on the minor leagues, and to hear other people’s thoughts on the Twins. I followed Seth over here from Seth Speaks and I’m impressed with the all the in-depth Twins info – I’ve learned a lot!!!!!  I participate in some other forums on birdwatching, fishing, tractors, hunting, food plots, cooking, etc. – you can find a forum on just about anything nowadays -- I’m going to use that experience to comment on this forum.

 

1) You know and I know that people will say things behind a keyboard that they wouldn’t say to your face. You have to learn to have a thick hide. You learn in a hurry which ones are knowledgeable, those you pay attention to, and which ones are blowing off steam – all the time – those you ignore. I’ve even felt that on this site I’ve had a couple of people ‘stalking’ my posts, tearing them apart because I’m commenting as a fan, not as a stat nerd.  That’s what happens on the internet, people are braver behind a keyboard than they would be to your face.

2) Part of the problem is that people are almost too passionate about the Twins and it boils over into their posts. Other forums are more helpful, if you ask a questions, people jump in and help you. Not here. They nitpick everything that they don’t agree with. It’s just a game people!!!!! Kids are getting bombed in Syria!!!  Baseball is pretty irrelevant compared to the rest of the problems in the world.

3) This site is moderated very hard, harder than any site I go to.  It’s kind of the nature of the beast in comment sections for the topic to wander off topic, then it dies out, then you move onto the next one. It’s your choice, it’s your playpen, you can make the rules but then live with the ‘extra’ work.  I can leave a topic on page 2, come back the next day and skip to the last page, see if its still interesting. You as a moderator have to slog thru all the drivel to see if some silver-tongued keyboard devil has written something ‘bad’.  You make that choice, live with it.

4) Most sites, once you have a login, all you have to do is find the right topic and click on the ‘start new topic’ tab, and you can start a topic or ask a question, here you have to start a blog – too complicated for my taste. Not going to do it. There’s times I’d like to ask a baseball question but not jumping thru the hoops here.

5) The ‘English police’ have mellowed out.  That’s good. When it first started every bad phrase and misspelling was jumped on. 

 

Don’t take my comments personally!!! I’m just sharing my observations and experiences as related to other sites!!

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4) Most sites, once you have a login, all you have to do is find the right topic and click on the ‘start new topic’ tab, and you can start a topic or ask a question, here you have to start a blog – too complicated for my taste. Not going to do it. There’s times I’d like to ask a baseball question but not jumping thru the hoops here.

 

Thanks for your thoughts, much appreciated. In general you emphasized the need for civility with one another and that's a huge part of it. Learning how to disagree is difficult for all of us, especially when it's something we're passionate about. No one has the right answers despite the passion they feel. And yes, tempers flair, egos burn, things get said ... sometimes taking a step back once in a while to take a breath is helpful.

 

But I am going to correct this quoted comment of yours. The purpose of this blog wasn't to tell everyone they must blog and can't start topics of their own. There'd be no forums otherwise. It was more to say that if you want to make posts or start threads that are nothing more than just ranting about the team, try blogging. I have seen posts, when we are discussing a specific topic, start complaining about every, single, thing wrong with the Twins, and do so just in an emotional, generalized, assumptive manner. They aren't addressing anything really, or asking for others comments and thoughts, they are just ... letting it all out. I have also seen the same threads being started over and over and over again on the same topic. What's wrong with sharing that on another thread of the same topic? It gets old and redundant and that also drives people from the forums saying, 'Not this again.' Again, no one has to read everything ... even I don't. I try to, but I don't. While I'm not saying you must blog, because you can do what you want, really, I'm suggested that if you want to post solely to vent, try blogging. Again ... try, not you must. It's really not that complicated and I read a lot of interesting things here. Yes, starting a forum topic is easier, but it's really not that complicated to start a blog, either. And sometimes people's blog posts are selected to become articles.

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I knew you'd ding me on starting a blog, that it isn't that hard to do. Some day, when I'm bored and have time, I'll try it.  I just wanted to point out that most sites all you have to do is click on the 'new topic' button and you're off, and since most sites are sorted by date, if its a good topic it stays on top - or it fades away. Easy peasy.

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I knew you'd ding me on starting a blog, that it isn't that hard to do. Some day, when I'm bored and have time, I'll try it.  I just wanted to point out that most sites all you have to do is click on the 'new topic' button and you're off, and since most sites are sorted by date, if its a good topic it stays on top - or it fades away. Easy peasy.

As I said, I'm not saying don't start a new topic, nor am I saying start a blog. I'm saying it's an option and to try it.

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