Thanks, TG#22 !

My original list would have had Al Worthingon or Ron Perranoski on it, but I didn't want to repeat from your fine list, and Tommy Hall was getting warmed up in the pen anyhow. :-)

19 hours ago, TopGunn#22 said:

P  Santana $3   This is a no brainer.  He's a $5 value.

RP  Al Worthington/Ron Perranoski  $1   Perranoski or Worthington belong on the list in place of Davis.  Worthington for sure has much more relevance to the Twins franchise.

C  Mauer  $5   (Future Twins HOF.  Talent drop off HUGE after Joe.  Gotta have Joe.

1B  Killebrew $5   I need 573 HR's.  Morneau a good value at $3

2B Rod Carew  $5  HOF.  Clearly the best 2B.

3B  Castino $1  Great glove, solid #8 or#9 hitter.  Save here to pay up elsewhere

SS  Guzman $1   Great Value !

RF  Tony Oliva  $5.  My all time favorite Twin and a HOF.  Drop off to Allison to save a dollar too steep.

CF  Cesar Tovar  $2  Tovar is not Puckett or Hunter (but he gets me Killebrew, Mauer, Carew and Oliva).

LF  Shane Mack  $3  Best value by far in LF group.  MUCH better than Gladden who, while being the LF for 2 World Series          is nowhere near as good as Mack.  If I could get Lyman Bostock for $2  I would and save a valuable dollar. 

DH  Dave Winfield $2   (It would depend on Where Nelson Cruz slotted in and at what value if he was available).

Total $33.  I cheated a bit with Al Worthington/Ron Perranoski but I just couldn't have a team like this and have a closer that would blow 3 saves a week!  Adding Lyman Bostock for $2 in LF and going with Randy Bush at DH still leaves me $1 short of Puckett in CF.  Molitor is one of my favorite players EVER, but just can't fit him in either.  

This was a blast and really made interesting with the values and limitations those provided!  Great topic Devlin.  

Thank you very much, it was a fun exercise to read about and see everyone's choices and the reasons. 

P: Santana:  3

RP: Reardon: 2

1B: Morneau: 3

2B: Dozier: 2

SS: Guzman: 1

3B: Gaetti: 5 

C: Mauer: 5

RF: Brunansky: 3

CF: Puckett: 5

LF: Gary Ward: 1

DH: Thome: 3

On 6/15/2023 at 1:57 AM, Devlin Clark said:

I am interested that SO many people picked Jeff Reardon over Aguilera and Nathan. Aggy obviously won the chip in 91 and Nathan has more 40 save seasons and overall saves than anyone in team history. 

 

For those who chose Reardon: what made you choose him?

Value play to save money for elsewhere!

Yes.  Choosing Reardon (although I cheated somewhat and went with a $1 Worthington or Perranoski rather than Ron Davis) the only reason people would pick Reardon over Eddie G, Aggie or the best the Twins have ever had--Joe Nathan, is to save crucial dollars to have a guy like Oliva, Puckett, Carew, Mauer or Killebrew at a position.  For me, in this exercise, it was to maximize star power at certain positions, true difference makers where the talent drop off from say, Allison to Oliva, was just too steep.  Morneau is a value play at $3.  Mack is a value play in LF at $3 because while he's not Larry Hisle, he light years ahead of Dan Gladden.  The fall off at catcher from Mauer to Earl Battey means you HAVE to have Mauer.  The extra one dollar is vital to spend on a player who's not just good, but a difference maker.  It's also why everybody who did this picked Johan Santana as their SP.  It will be interesting to see when Devlin comes out with another version of this that maybe expands to a LH & RH starting pitching and bullpen guy.  Expands DH choices to include Cruz and maybe allow Killebrew to be listed at a value at 3B and DH as well as 1B.  Does Lyman Bostock get listed at a LF, CF or both?  And what will his value be?  

Tried to get as many HOF players / World Series winners on the team:

Wouldn't want to pitch against this lineup...

DH - Winfield (2)

C - Harper (2)

1B - Killebrew (5)

2B - Carew (5)

SS - Cardenas (2)

3B - Castino (1)

LF - Jones (1)

CF - Puckett (5)

RF - Oliva (5)

RP- Reardon (2)

SP - Kaat (1)

LF  Ward       1

cf Kirby           5

rf Cuddy           2

3b Castino       1

SS  Smally        3

2nd  Carew        5

1st  Harmon        5

C      Mauer           3

SP   Santana         3

Closer  REardon     2

DH    Thome             3

Can I get Frank Viola for FREE? How about Correa for FREE? Lyman Bostock for FREE?

3B - Killebrew - $5 

SS - Correa - $0

2B - Carew - $5

1B - Morneau - $3

C - Mauer - $5

RF - Oliva - $5

CF - Puckett - $5

LF - Mack - $3

SP - Viola - $0

RP - Reardon - $2

If budget didn’t matter I’d only change the 2 pitchers.

14 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Can I get Frank Viola for FREE? How about Correa for FREE? Lyman Bostock for FREE?

3B - Killebrew - $5 

SS - Correa - $0

2B - Carew - $5

1B - Morneau - $3

C - Mauer - $5

RF - Oliva - $5

CF - Puckett - $5

LF - Mack - $3

SP - Viola - $0

RP - Reardon - $2

If budget didn’t matter I’d only change the 2 pitchers.

I’m way over budget - gotta take Molitor at DH!

I am going by these players numbers as a twin not career numbers, didn't say whether total career or twins career so I went with that latter as it seemed more fitting.

SP: Santana is the best twins pitcher on a rate basis and only costs 3
C: Mauer is the no brainer here 5
1B: Killibrew is the best hitter here after thome 5
2B: Carew is pretty easy pick again 5
SS: Guzman because I need to save and none of these options are great 1
3B: Castino had great defense and I need to save 1
LF: Ward is exceptional value here with a 115 OPS+ on the twins for only 2
CF: Span is good value here as well 1
RF: Cudyer is a solid choice for 2
DH: Thome is the best hitter here on a per game basis and costs 3, he had a 158 OPS+ on the twins
RP: Joe Nathan the best twins reliever of all time and it's not even close 5

I'm super surprised I'm the only one who took Nathan here, the drop from him to the rest is probably as big from Mauer to the rest of the catchers. I left off Pucket and Oliva cuz I feel like they didn't have the same value as the other $5 position players and the 1-2 dollar options in the OF are much better than the RP ones. Also I think Perkins is missing from this list at the RP position he would be a solid $3 option and Santana has to be $4 at least, no clue what Radke is doing at $4.

2 hours ago, Shobae said:

I am going by these players numbers as a twin not career numbers, didn't say whether total career or twins career so I went with that latter as it seemed more fitting.

SP: Santana is the best twins pitcher on a rate basis and only costs 3
C: Mauer is the no brainer here 5
1B: Killibrew is the best hitter here after thome 5
2B: Carew is pretty easy pick again 5
SS: Guzman because I need to save and none of these options are great 1
3B: Castino had great defense and I need to save 1
LF: Ward is exceptional value here with a 115 OPS+ on the twins for only 2
CF: Span is good value here as well 1
RF: Cudyer is a solid choice for 2
DH: Thome is the best hitter here on a per game basis and costs 3, he had a 158 OPS+ on the twins
RP: Joe Nathan the best twins reliever of all time and it's not even close 5

I'm super surprised I'm the only one who took Nathan here, the drop from him to the rest is probably as big from Mauer to the rest of the catchers. I left off Pucket and Oliva cuz I feel like they didn't have the same value as the other $5 position players and the 1-2 dollar options in the OF are much better than the RP ones. Also I think Perkins is missing from this list at the RP position he would be a solid $3 option and Santana has to be $4 at least, no clue what Radke is doing at $4.

So, while there is no angst here, the author set-up an exercise that makes no sense with the $ designations. They are arbitrary and only force people to think past “the best” players at each position. It’s fun to consider but if you’re putting an “all-time team” together & you can’t afford Oliva nor Puckett it’s a silly exercise.

The Yankees team’s fan would not be able to have Ruth - DiMaggio - Mantle - Gehrig - Munson - Jeter etc. because they can’t afford all of the greats. Seems senseless to me. IMHO.

My question is, who is on the Twins All-time best 25 (14 batters & 11 pitchers) man roster? Bostock - Viola - Correa - Morris are all eligible if Winfield - Molitor - Thome are eligible. I’m using 2 years minimum with the Twins & a real Twins contributor as criteria for eligibility.

17 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

So, while there is no angst here, the author set-up an exercise that makes no sense with the $ designations.

The subject line could have been clearer.*  It's a game.  I like games.  Games can be arbitrary.  Fun to play with friends, and that's why I bothered to participate, when usually I pass "all-time team" discussions right on by.

* And I resisted until now to mention the spelling/grammar error.  Whose on first?

RF- Tony Oliva   5

SP- Santana       3

2B- Dozier          2

1B- Morneau       3

C- Pierzinski        1

SS- Cardenas      2

DH- Cruz              1 

RP- Reardon        2

3B- Gaetti            5

LF- Mack              3 

CF- Puckett          5

CF

C AJ 1

1B Morneau 3

2B Dozier 2

3B Killebrew 5

SS Guzman 1

LF Hunter 4

CF Puckett 5

RF Olivia 5

DH Winfield 2

SP Santana 3

RP Reardon 2

Who creates an all-time Twins team using fantasy values?

Only thing more asinine than the $$$ amounts is the horrendous grammar in the headline...."whose"...??? C'mon man

Whose? Is that like who’s?

On 6/20/2023 at 11:30 PM, dxpavelka said:

Who creates an all-time Twins team using fantasy values?

 

Thanks for reading!

19 hours ago, Congo Hammer said:

Only thing more asinine than the $$$ amounts is the horrendous grammar in the headline...."whose"...??? C'mon man

I ain't learnt the book readings yet. 

19 hours ago, Congo Hammer said:

Only thing more asinine than the $$$ amounts is the horrendous grammar in the headline...."whose"...??? C'mon man

I ain't learnt them book learnings yet. 

15 hours ago, jjotto said:

Whose? Is that like who’s?

I aint learnt them book learnings yet.

On 6/20/2023 at 3:31 PM, ashbury said:

The subject line could have been clearer.*  It's a game.  I like games.  Games can be arbitrary.  Fun to play with friends, and that's why I bothered to participate, when usually I pass "all-time team" discussions right on by.

 

* And I resisted until now to mention the spelling/grammar error.  Whose on first?

Auto correct definately got me. 

31 minutes ago, Devlin Clark said:

I aint learnt them book learnings yet.

Auto correct definately got me. 

Likely story, ha

On 6/20/2023 at 6:35 PM, Twodogs said:

C AJ 1

1B Morneau 3

2B Dozier 2

3B Killebrew 5

SS Guzman 1

LF Hunter 4

CF Puckett 5

RF Olivia 5

DH Winfield 2

SP Santana 3

RP Reardon 2

Dozier over Carew?

20 minutes ago, Winston Smith said:

Dozier over Carew?

Well if I had unlimited money I'd pick Carew for sure, but I had to save money somewhere.  Carew actually played most of his games at 1B, that's why I took the liberty of moving Harmon over to 3B so I could get Morneau in.  Plus Dozier actually won a gold glove at 2B once so that helps too.  But yeah I'd much rather have Carew in my lineup over Dozier.  For that matter I'd rather have Nathan over Reardon and id rather have Mauer over AJ.  But I had to get it to 33 dollars.  My best attempt at putting together a winner.  Personally, I think it's an ok lineup

4 hours ago, Devlin Clark said:

Thanks for reading!

I didn't.  Scanned for about 30 seconds and reevaluated my life choices.